BRZ vs S2000 around a track
 

Just wondering how the BRZ would go around a track compared to an S2000. I know the S2k annihilates the BRZ in a straight line. Also what about the sports cars of old like the MR2, Skyline (granted the Skyline is a GT and the BRZ is a sports car) or RX-7? Have any of the media done real world comparisons around a standard track and seen times for similar cars. I do love the BRZ but I don't know if it is quicker than a number of competitors cars however if you want a new car this is probably the best car on offer at the moment.

Edit: forgot about RX-7

.7s difference in a 1/4 mile isn't "annihilating"...it just quicker.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9_hZqvY5RM"]Drag race : Subaru BRZ VS Honda S2000 (Motorsport) - YouTube[/ame]

The GTR vs. the BRZ...Ok, annihilated.

I'd wager that if you put better tires on the BRZ it would do quite well on a track vs. the S2K. It's unlikely that any but the best drivers would be able to eek out significant margins between these two cars on a track. I'm a lifelong Honda fan, but decided on the BRZ mainly because of the hard top and input from the engineers as to why they designed this car (good PR ftw).

I bought an S2000 and promptly sold it... just didn't enjoy the car. Handling was strange, seemed slow for a 200+ hp car, and was F'n TINY!!!! Dropped it off at auto-transport, drove to Subaru dealer and bought a BRZ... haven't looked back for a split second, BRZ is better in all aspects if you ask me.

Did u even bother to use the :search: button?

Heaps of info and comparisons if u bother to look......

Well for every .1 in difference in 1/4 mile times the winner is crosses the line about 1 car length ahead of the looser. So .7 is about 7 cars, which looks like a royal beating on the 1/4 mile.

I imagine that given the same driver, equal tires and track conditions, the S2000 would have an advantage, although slight. I doubt it would be enough of an advantage for your average track day participant to be able to eke out. From what I've heard, the S2000 is a challenge to master. I've always liked the S2000, and would consider a low-mileage AP2 as an alternative to the BRZ if the price were right.

So if my car runs 13.1 at 100 and your cars does 13.3 at 108. I'll win by two cars....................NO WAY

You could just calculate a rouge estimate yourself... 100 mph is about 146 feet per second, so 1/10th of a second is 14.6 feet which is a bit over a car length. So yea, 0.2 seconds is about 2 car lengths.
And in regards to a track battle... I think the S2000 will post slightly faster lap times on most tracks. Very small technical tracks the BRZ might be quicker. The Laguna Seca times for the BRZ that motortrend just did was 1:51.3 while a 2006 S2000 do a 1:50.7 (on RE050 tires, though).

The RX-8 R3 posted a 1:50.4 with the same driver also on RE050 tires. The three cars should have good competition with each other however the RX-7 is probably in a different league unless you're talking about the NA FC RX-7. A turbo FD would destroy these cars on the track.

I almost did this. Almost bought a low mileage AP2 S2000 with a hardtop which would have been much less expensive. But it just wasn't as fun to drive and even though it's a stiff chasis for a convertible, I could tell there was some flex in it.

Put better tires on the BRZ and I think it would be a much closer battle. But who cares? Even on HPDEs I'm not trying to lap my car 0.2s faster than the next car, I'm just out having fun. The BRZ does this very very well, better than the S2000 (and a lot of other cars) IMHO.

Did you bother to test-drive the S2000?

It's not exact but it is close.

Drove my buddies S2000 CR as well as another buddies RX8 this past weekend.

Like OP said, both of those cars were a lot quicker... but for my DD my BRZ wins hands down.!!!

Bought a FD RX-7, engine blew 3 wks later. Wouldn't buy one unless you have tons of $$$ to throw at it. I now have a AP1 S2000 and I don't think the FRS/BRZ is going to hang in stock form. More HP to gain time in the straights & even though the Honda is a convertible it is almost as light and the suspension is stiffer & more track-designed IMO. Eventually I probably will trade it for a BRZ but 9k redline, the fact the car was hand-assembled, & mine has a clean Carfax is making me wait at least until the 2014s come out.

I've driven a few RX8s and I wouldn't really consider them to be quicker, at least not stock for stock.

So the S2K with 40 more hp and the same tq with super sticky tires does a lap .6s faster than the BRZ on grand touring summer tires?

But .7s difference in the 1/4 mile doe!? :D Looks like the .1s = 1 car length theory has just gone out the window. Also, 6-8 more mpg average, rear seats, bigger trunk...at one point I was comparing these cars...I'm not anymore I think the BRZ is the winner unless you don't like it's looks.

RE050s are far from being sticky, albeit better than the Primacy tires. I haven't seen a BRZ at the track (road course). Not sure if its faster or not.

My previous track car was an RX-8. Great car- very good handling, but no way was it a lot quicker than the BRZ. In fact, 0-60 felt slower.

Once you got that rotary engine revved up though it was a wonderful motor. You could leave it in 3rd and drive the whole track without shifting if you wanted to.

I have a friend with a s2000 and the frs wins by half a car up to 100 from a 40 roll

I sure did...... NOT :bonk: My own stupidity, but ended up pocketing couple thousand bucks, so wasn't a total disaster :thumbsup:

Theoretically, aren't the only advantages of the s2000 weight distribution, tires, and power? Those are very easy aspects to fix thru tuning (except for weight distribution).

BRZ/FR-S has better weight, center of gravity, track, wheelbase, drag, and probably rigidity

I think you're missing the point of the OP's question which was "which is faster around a track" not which is the better overall car. I'm sure almost everyone here (this is the BRZ forum after all) would choose the BRZ over the S2000 for practicality and fuel economy reasons but the question was which is actually faster around a track.

I'm still convinced that the S2000 will be quicker around MOST tracks because of the power advantage and the superior front suspension setup, given that they're modified similarly. The car is 12 years old now... has great weight balance, a superior suspension geometry, more power from an engine that revs to well over 8000 rpm, you can't deny that it's a great track car and when you actually go to track events you'll see many of them there for these reasons exactly. Also the RE050 tires aren't "super sticky" either... they're just decent summer tires, that's all.

And the 0.1s = 14.6 ft "theory" isn't theory... just calculate it yourself, it's a fact. Although this is more to do with drag racing than anything else so I'm not even sure why we're talking about it since this thread is about track performance.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaArJZOMCpI"]BRZ vs S2000 - YouTube[/ame]

Looks like s2k for sure.

You're friend obviously doesn't know how to drive.

S2000 VS BRZ on Track - notice the S2000 in the straights

BRZ Hot Lap

S2000 CR Hot Lap

I agree ... I also ran a s2000 at the dragstrip and I won ever race . Ran about 4 times

By all means, I know the S2000 isn't a fast car - in reality, it's quite slow, but it's definitely faster than the BRZ around the track/0-100km.

A buddy of mine had AP1 s2000 and it is one of my all time favorite cars BUT there is something to be said about getting a brand new car that i know has not been revved by knuckle heads and abused.

Also at 6'2" FR-S is a lot more comfortable AND still I cant knock the s2000.

I could definitely agree with that settlement, buying a used s2000 is tricky especially if it's got modfications. You have to be especially cautious with the AP1's specifically with their 9k rev and weaker differential.

I bought mine brand new from the dealership in 03, and to be frank; nothing has put a smile on my face whether it be on the track, on a mountain curvy road or even going to get groceries with the top down like the S2000.

And I'm not trying to bash the BRZ, on a BRZ forum, I'm simply providing my opinion from a different perspective.

BRZ driver in the posted vids checking in.

I also happen to own an s2k, so I can answer questions about both :)