New FT-86 or old C6, z4m, etc..
 

Hi Everyone!

For a while now, I've been patiently waiting for the FT-86, but was very disappointed when I found out it was going to be a re-badged Scion. I currently have a 2006 Scion tC and can't stand for the build quality. The cabin and internals feel cheaper than a corolla. Everything rattles or squeaks and is overall very disappointing.

Anyways, after about a week of googling and finding updates, I'm beggining to recondsider the FT-86. I want something sporty, that not every other teenie bopper has, yet economical on mileage as a daily driver; within $25 - $30k. I've narrowed it down to the following cars:

1. Subaru 216a ? (not sure on build quality compared to Scion)
2. 2006 Corvette Coupe (400hp + good gas mileage)
3. 2006 z4 M coupe (330hp and very rare)
4. Listen to father and put 30k on a house instead
5. Any other suggestions?

^:laughabove:

Good luck with #2 and #3! :clap:

Go for #4 instead! It is better to buy a good house rather a cool car.

Definitely the house.

Don't buy a house as an investment. Buy it because you want to live in a house. If you don't want to live in a house, stick those $30K in a well-diversified mutual fund (tip: Vanguard) instead.

Oh, and 2 and 3 are ridiculously more expensive than owning an FR-S

5. Invest in gold.

1.

Listen to you father


Not with prices where they are now. :confused0068:

you know, I love how nobody tells him to wait and see how the interior of the FRS Will be like before he goes off in making $$$ conclusions. I mean, not buying a (possibly) amazing car for the money because of the brand's image? I mean, does he not know that its two companies making the car, which none of them are scion? I'm just saying, hold your horses and wait until you count your chickens.

Damn, I was late into that game. How about silver?! lol

Buying precious metal in the market is a very dangerous investment option. You REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING before you make any purchase....

What enc0re said is also true. Buying a house as an investment in the current market is not right. Saving it for long term guarantee investment is probably better than spending on cars, especially if this 30k is all you have at the moment.

C5 z06
Roughly same price with more power and possibly better mpg

You're giving the smartest advice. Want.FR-S is out of touch with the investment markets.

How is it that you're ahead of everyone? Your peers are clueless. You seem to know something.

You can sleep in a car, you can't drive a house lol

(go for the house...it's a smarter investment)

What build quality difference? The scion/Toyota/Subaru will have the same build quality.. Whatever it is..
Remeber being a rebadge? Means it will have same almost everything.. Means only the parts with logos will change, and perhaps some other panels, but overa they wont make a whole new car..

How about investing in wine lol :bonk:
Sounds like its quite popular for what I heard on the news.
79,000 NZ dollars for one bottle of 200 year old wine.
Just imagine dropping that bottle.



Will the Scion models be buit in the States?
Or come straight from Japan already built up?

After talking with a few guys in the states, they recon the Build Quialty of Subaru of America isnt as good as Subaru of Japan cars.

Actually Scion is Toyota. People keep failing to realize that!!!

Also every car in its price segment rattles, hell my RSX rattles but it doesn't bother me as much as the engine lacking torque in it. As a matter of fact I have even heard of higher priced cars rattling like some BMW's,Audi's,Acura's etc.

Unless you're an expert, wine is a crap shoot. The wineries buy ratings and some of the wine raters are whores. The rating system needs to be overhauled so the novice can understand.

It has been stated somewhere that the FR-S will be built in Subaru's plant, Gunma Prefecture, Japan.

:iono:, care to explain a bit? I am scratching my head.....

I agree the C5Z06 would be the best choice. IF backseats for midgets or pets are not a concern. Low cost maintenance, very reliable transmission and engine, very little to go wrong and it just feels good out of the box as is.

Other option would be to buy the Vette, enjoy it for a little and then test drive the FT and make your mind up to trade in or sell, since buying a used car with an already depreciated value you can just break even or make a little money depending on the deal you got on it.

Doesn't hurt to wait, you've already waited this long. At least wait until December to see the production model or later on you might think "damn, should have waited."

I guess you're not watching the markets.

I agree. I think that I'm going to do that too. And buy a beater for DD.


Silver > Gold right now. But the only way to invest is to get it in your hands and put it in a safety deposit box or something similar.

What the...? Are you reading from a fortune cookie!?

Yes, and you? Ouija board?

Yes, gold is rising like crazy that I know. But, were you *ahead* to make that purchase while it was like $300 per ounce? If so, lucky you. Otherwise, it is always easy to say after-fact things.

Monetary market is very volatile. The time you buy may not always be right, and unless you are really into investing venues, there may not be that easy to buy precious metals from a common men/women.

Honestly, have you ever bought anything from the stock/mutual funds/CD/ bonds or even GIC's?

Yes.

1. collect underwear 2.??? 3. profit
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBiSI6OdqvA

There are a lot of cool cars in the 25-30k range.

Evo IX/X
STi
C5 ZO6
...

ETC-

With that said, if you aren't already living in your own home, and you don't plan to move anytime soon, I would use the money as a downpayment on a house with a nice garage. Save money, buy quality tools, start a project, and make something of your own. : ]

I say buy a house with a garage and work on my making your garage ready for your next car. It's best to get the house payment out of the way as fast as possible.

Gold crossed in to $1700s on the Hong Kong exchange last night. Dec. futures are at $1717.

So how much gold have you purchased? Many coins or unit?

Gee I wish I were Hideyuki Toyotomi now. Owning tons of gold in senkouko era would be really fun, except no cars.

Don't know who that is but I raise you Emperor Anastasius I of the Byzantine Empire. (from Wikipedia)
What would 320,000 lbs of gold work out to in today's dollars? (I think the US gov't needs him running their economy...)

^^


Does anyone else just LOL when they realize how off-topic we get? Not complaining, I think it's hilarious that we're talking about Roman civil officers that lived 1500 years ago in the "general discussion" section of a car forum.

Meh, this shouldn't really have been in general discussion in the first place. He was asking for financial advice, which went to gold, which begot 1500 year old politicians which did a better job than any current ones could dream of.

Matador sig'ed a quote of mine about the 'FT' meaning 'Forgot Topic'. Heh.

Yes, we are all guilty of it. Especially when things are slow around here.

And I was searching for that sig. Gee, that was a good one.

So, based on my calculation, here is the break down:

320,000 lb * 16 ounch/lb * 1700 (last closing price) = .....

8,704,000,000 USD or 8.7 billion USD.

So with this money you can buy Alcatel-Lucent + Ciena, but not even the BlackBerry maker RIM (11.39 Bil as the current market cap).

Hideyuki Toyotomi was the ruler in Senkouku Japan era. He rules from 1590 to 1598. According to the legend, he accumulated tons of gold in the Osaka castle as the allowance money for his concubine. A rock like gold weight 13600 両, and that is 13600 * 37.44 g = 509184 g = 509184 / 31.1035 g/ounce = 16370.6 ounce. And this equals to 16370.6 ounce * 1700 usd/ounce = 27,830,077 or 27.8 mil USD. Although there was no precise calculation, he has probably thousands of gold rocks like that in only one castle. That is more like > 27.8 billion in today's money in only one castle. That is huge.

So just another number crunching exercise for your entertainment:

* Investing $34000 usd to buy gold at price 1700 now equals to 20 ounces.
* Gold price projected at 1717 (only if it reaches this price) at Dec this year, and your gain is (1717-1700) * 20 ounce = 340 USD.
* And your ROI is 340 / 34000 = 1% ROI
* this is a great investment, just like buying a 2% GIC with guarantee money at the end of year.

:respekt:

Solution: Combine all of the ideas in the thread. Buy the FR-S and paint it gold. Swap in the LS engine from a Vette. When it's time to fix something, pay an extra 500 bucks (BMW M repair bill.) Then buy a nice fancy double wide to live in. :D

Alexander the Great took a crap load of gold from the Persians. I have read conflicting reports of how much it actually was. The highest I saw was a bit over 8,000 tons of gold he took from them. Do the math on that.

* Assuming English long ton (1 ton = 2240 lb = 2240* 16 = 35840 ounces), not metric ton.
* 8000 tons = 8000 * 35840 ounce = 286,720,000 ounces
* this equals to 286,720,000 * 1700 = 487,424,000,000 = 487.424 billion USD, and that is a bit less than the market cap of Google plus Apple. Still cannot pay down the debt that US owes, Damn it.
* oh, how many F-22 can you buy with 487.424 billion USD?