Haynes publishes workshop manual for Red Bull F1 car
 

Now, that's just too funny~

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Now China can finally build a real F1 car! :clap:

They have hard time keeping bullet train in the rail, how can they make an F1? :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?p...d=i2Hhw_.RyAfk

So I heard!! :confused0068:

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/d...sales/?refid=0

Now that there is a complete manual...watch, they'll copy e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g and then call it Red Bowl F1! :bellyroll::bellyroll:

LMAO!!!! That's good one!!!!! :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll:

:clap::clap::clap:

You're seriously going to laugh at a huge accident like this where 39 people died?

http://www.haynes.co.uk/Press/Haynes...GBhr_H5099.jpg

This is awesome! :thanks:

Sorry, you're right. I shouldn't be laughing... but at the same time, I gonna laugh at the Chinese engineer people who made that train. Cuz in media they insulted Japanese bullet train saying stuff like: Old, outdated, slow, trash and all negative stuff.

Yea it's sadly ironic :( I dunno the details of the accident but usually what's wrong with stuff in China is not design but quality control. Sounds like there were some issues with some contractors or something, or it might've been a design fault.

Do you know what they did after the crash? Destroy the evidence by crushed it & buried it right next to the wrecked area. Not figuring out what cause the wreck too detail, next day crush & bury project happened. Seriously WTF :iono:

Based on what I know, the train was designed and built by Siemens, a Germany company. However, the trick was that it was designed to run at 300 KM/H based on the contract, whereas the Chinese official insist to run it at 350 KM/H so that it is the best one in the world.

Maybe they should be tuning the cars to be running at 116% to its maximum recommended rating before messing with high speed train.

Wait what? I see pictures taken less than a day ago and the stuff is still there.
The government promised proper explanations, I really hope they can follow up on that.

So apparently the issue is that one train stalled because of loss of power in a storm, and what should've happened was the signaling equipment should tell the train behind it to stop. Instead it kept going and smashed into the back. I don't know how the power lines are set up but it's a little weird how one train can have no power and another on the exact same track has power.

I'll look for that pics of them crushing that train and burying it under... Cuz I know I've seen them crushing it

I would bet money that they cheaped out on the materials, especially the metals. I don't think that Chinese steel mills are honest with their gradings. They seem to think that they can get away with stuff that 'looks' the same as more expensive stuff. That attitude carries on to materials used.

My experience is with Chinese cutting tools. Their High Speed Steel, isn't. They seem to interpret it as 'Steel being used at a High Speed', which isn't what it is. It is a group of very specific composition tool steel alloys that maintain their strength at high temperatures. I have compared the Chinese HSS to Japanese, Swedish and Spanish HSS and there is a huge difference in spark output on the grinder (carbon content) and abrasion resistance (how quickly they grind down). But these are somewhat destructive tests, so they slip by lazy importing companies and are the reason I never buy drills and such that I don't know the country of origin.

I would bet that this is the reason for the Ford Chinese transmission issue, lower quality steel substituted, or heat-treat steps skipped. Neither are apparent to the standard Chinese 'quality-assurance' test of 'does it look like the other ones.'

Who built the track, though?

This is the more relevant question, as it seems like equipment external to the train is what went wrong. 5 months ago the top railway official guy was dismissed for corruption, they suspect that might be where some of the subpar construction happened.

Meh, he's only one out of thousands that should be canned for the same reasons over there.

So I saw some pictures and those are definitely not 300km/h trains, they're not the new high speed rail trains (which have their own problems apparently). BBC seems to confirm this, saying they're trains that go about 160km/h average. Kinda scary, because those trains are everywhere! I've taken one from Shanghai to Beijing, and another from Shanghai to Hangzhou. In this case the railway companies will be in a rather tight spot, as that's a crapton of track to be doing safety checks on.

Gee, just after one Seasonal race and here are so many replies. I only know what I read from the news. I would guess the track was built by Chinese.

TBH, I do not know the details of what went wrong, and did not bother to check. I think there would be a committee to investigate this problem, but the would you believe the final report they produce?

This could be a human error, not necessary equipment or material's fault.

Yes there's a committee to investigate. And considering the massive amount of outrage and the fact that the state media has even begun asking questions, their report better be believable.

I don't think it could be a design flaw somehow, because safety systems like this should be more or less the same in design. Probably some sort of quality issue somewhere.

I think part of the quality problem is the Chinese unwillingness to question their superiors, or make their superiors look bad, or have to do extra work or stuff like that.

I work with a lot of Chinese guys that came to Canada and see this all the time. THEY DO NOT BRING ENGINEERING ERRORS TO ANYONE'S ATTENTION. EVER! Even if they've been making similar parts forever, if one comes out and it's only 10% as thick as it should be, they just do it. When I found these (fallible engineers? Shocking isn't it...), I used to take it to my production manager (Chinese) who would then explain that this is what engineering wants, for cost reasons or whatever, because that is what is on the drawing. I would tell him that it won't work, he would ignore me, the part would get made wrong, and only when it got to the assembly side (with few Chinese workers) would it get tossed and a new drawing issued.

Even after this happened multiple (probably dozens if not hundreds in the past) times they would NEVER use any initiative and question an obviously wrong part from an engineer.

But the guys aren't stupid or careless. You give them a correct complicated part, they make it. You give them an easy but obviously incorrect part, they still make it.

Cultural aversion to challenging authority maybe?

Here's the pics of them crushing it and burying it
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...uneral-005.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...uneral-002.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...uneral-003.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...uneral-004.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...uneral-001.jpg

IDK bout you, but looks to me, they're burying that evidence

^ reminds me of 9/11 when the US government took all the steel support columns that were in the wreckage and just shipped them off to get recycled instead of booking them into evidence.

I don't think they are intentionally destroying evidence, but as tranzformer said after 9/11 they cleaned up the rubble, maybe this is just the standard procedure for dealing with this stuff. I don't know how much evidence you can get out of a crashed carriage. My guess is since this was like 5 days ago they took a look at what useful information they could've gotten (recording equipment in the operating whatever its called part of the train?) and then are cleaning up the rest.

@Dimman yes this is how East Asian culture works, it's all based on Confucianism where respect for authority is one of the most important things. IMO the government in China has issues with corruption for this precise reason: lack of transparency and accountability because everyone is supposed to just follow and not question. Japan and Korea are slightly liberalized due to American exposure but this is why Asian parents are the way they are. I'm sure you've heard about that, being from Vancouver :)

I want that F1 Manual.

iirc cost $30

Pre-ordered mine for $19.25 @ Amazon.com

Nice! Hm... maybe I should pre-order em

My Haynes manual arrived today...now I can get started on that project...

Why not? I wouldn't laugh if someone I knew died, but 39 strangers on the other side of the world... I think its funny. I see dead bodies every third day, sometimes it's sad...sometimes you just can't help but laugh. So sensitive. :cry:

Why though? Buy me a pizza instead.

First) Because I wanted to.
B) Books are cool.
3) Reading is fundamental.
iv) I enjoy learning about the technology behind F1 (and other) race cars.
e) Fuck off. Who are you to question why I ordered something?

Waaahhh. I bought it cause I want to. :laughabove:

No need to go all elementary school on me guy. It was simple question looking for a simple answer, no reason to get your panties in a bunch.

You are 100% right. You know whenever I buy a product and it says Made in China, I try to find more details about it whether it will work or not.