Rivian R2, R3 and R3X
 

Keynote presentation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82IiXIKkRIA

R2
https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2...ound%7C875:492
https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2...s-tailgate.png

R3
https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/202...dth=1440&dpr=2
https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/202...=70&width=1440

R3x
https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2...vian-R3X-4.jpg

More videos on their channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@Rivian/videos

I kinda like the R3X. Reminds me of the Integrale EVO. I can't see the rear design staying that way, at least for the US with its brake light regulations. Assuming they're going to add some lights into the bumper for the actual brake lights here.

I might consider a Rivian in the future if they ever decide to lose the C3PO face.

Love how everyone goes nuts at 26:04 for the "flipper glass" like it is something unique.

Good looking designs. Shame they're comically large.

Everything on an electric car seems like its some unique evolutionary thing for some reason.....

Even if they've been done before already.

Arent these guys bleeding money? How can they put these models out? Unless im thinking Lucid......

One way to stop bleeding money is by increasing your market share. You increase your market share by either changing how you market or by changing what you market. The latter takes more effort but has a bigger payoff if successful.

I think Lucid is the most unprofitable (compared to Rivian and Tesla )at the moment, mostly due to slower production than expected. The car is pretty nice though. Not sure how anyone would want a Model S if they could afford an Air.

I've seen several Lucid's in person. IMO they photograph better than they actually are in person. In person they look like mid-90s GM sedans.

I'd take a Model S over a Lucid, and I would never buy a Tesla (because of the interior lack of design).

Rivian needs these smaller, less expensive models if they ever plan on surviving. Also, I realize it's their identifying feature, but they need to give up the goofy front end.

interior or exterior is like a 90s GM?

I've seen them driving and they look really good IMO

Some of the darker colors do look crappy in person I agree, but the light colors are much better for some reason. Interiors are pretty nice though, if a bit odd in places.

The R3/R3x is the first Rivian where I actually like the goofy headlights.

yes it looks like a fun little car. Kind of reminds me of the Suzuki Jimny

Lucids are the complete package. Superior build quality, superior technology, superior interior luxury and design. One can say they don't appreciate the exterior design, but to dismiss (over that) in favor of a Tesla seems like an overreaction. (Talking about vs Tesla, as they don't operate in the same marketplace as Rivian.)

Exterior primarily. Looks like a 1990's Chevy Lumina LTZ to me, with as slightly modern twist to it.

The S is the only Tesla where I would consider the exterior design, but truth be told, I would NEVER EVER buy a car where I did not like the exterior design, I don't care how great a car it is.

We all have our starting points, and our do not cross points, and that is mine. It's the primary reason, for example, I didn't even consider a GEN2 86.

:mad0259:Part of its problem is they do NOT look like 6 figure cars...not even close.

Same problem with the Mercedes EQ sedans...those things look like melted Corollas.

The Cadillac Celestiq has a similar problem. The thing is big and gives off a hugely substantial vibe...but for 300k? no thanks.

Yea, that pretty much describes how I feel about it as well.


I little different scenario though, since the Celestiq will be hand built to the owner's specifications, explaining the price. Not that I would buy one.

I'm quite happy with my LYRIQ, which I frankly think is a better looking vehicle then either of these (including the Celestiq) even though the LYRIQ is on the large size.

I mean the lucid air pure is $70k

I sort of see what you're saying, but I don't think any 70k audi/mercedes/bmw looks significantly better than the lucid

Lol people see strange comparisons I guess. I know a guy that really dislikes the wagon profile because they look like "old people cars".

I've seen several in person and while the exterior design is somewhat generic, it still gives off a premium atmosphere. It's a far cry from Teslas with paint inferior to mom and pop respray shops.

I agree with Dadhawk though, and would never buy a car where I don't like the exterior design. However I wouldn't pick, as an alternative, a vehicle that's only redeeming qualities are the drivetrain and charging network.

Well, as I said, I wouldn't buy a Tesla either so there is that. I'm just saying I like the styling of the S better than the Air, but that ain't saying much.

The shape of the Lucid Air resembles the LUmina.

Yea, like I said, a modernized version. I could see how you get from A to B (or in this case L to A) over a couple of generations.

Not seeing it. I mean they both look like sedans and they are both white in that comparison.

Maybe if you roll the fenders on the Lumina and install 22" wheels it would be more obvious.
Lucid Air looks like a jellybean rounded 3 box design with giant wheel cutouts. And a waist contour to break up the otherwise featureless side view. Mercury Sable is probably a better comparison.

You just described every modern sedan. Especially if they come in white or beige, or silver, or gray.

Exactly. They're both sedans and they both have curves. That's it.

I cant really see modernized Lumina either.
But it does have a fairly generic shape.

And the fascia...oh man...every electric car seems to be using that type of slit headlights flanking a thin "grille".

For those who strive for a vehicle that does 2.9s 0-60 times, calculate the cost per launch. All that just to experience 0.94 g's on your back.
Flight surgeon Col. John Stapp experienced over 42 Gs in an experimental rocket sled in the earlier days of aerospace research. Probably there are many amusement park options that will way "out thrill" a Plaid or equivalent, but without the status.
Having viewed many YouTube dragstrip videos, I get the impression these superfast e-racers are doing many of their launches not on a race strip. Despite the large numbers of Plaids (or equally powerful) electrics sold, I never see them featured on the popular drag channel Cars and Zebras.

It seems people are creating more and more ways to put wealthy people's lives at greater risk. For example, offering the "amusement" of diving to see the Titanic in an uncertified carbon fibre sub.

Now that LED headlights are a thing, you are going to see that in almost all new cars ICE/EV or otherwise. GM is already moving to it. The slit isn't always the headlights by the way. Take the LYRIQ below, the headlights are the interior vertical LEDs (the exterior ones are DRL's and also provide cornering lights) and the "slits" that run horizontally at the hoodline are the turn signals.

https://www.cadillacatservice.com/bl...1219576639.jpg

Hmmm, where have I seen that layout before? ;)

https://edgecast-img.yahoo.net/myste...OS011A0101.jpg

Seems like Ugly Ducking/Beautiful Swan to me. I'll let you decide which is which. :D

The Aztek was a lame attempt to market SUVs to a younger active crowd. I knew someone who had a new black one, and it didn't look too bad since the color hid the ridiculous side cladding more. He actually liked the vehicle, and previously he used to order Yukon XLs from his father who was in the business and sell them after 6 months at zero cost or at a profit at that time. But he liked the Aztek. Too bad 99% of them looked so awkward with that experimental looking face and uber shmaltzy Pontiac cladding, which is probably the biggest negative associated with the brand. It's like a Chevy with love handles.

Just let's all be thankful we aren't stuck driving Nissan Cubes. It's almost always men drivers when I see them, like 40 year old Asians with no shame. Lol

That was a GM affliction, not just Pontiac. The Astro, Avalanche, and a few other models were wearing the cladding of shame during that time period. All of them looked better without it.

My unsubstantiated theory was the body panel plant at Spring Hill (home of Saturn at the time) needed more work to do to keep the shop busy.

The 90's Grand AM was the poster child for cladding affliction. Lol

It is pretty unique in this day and age; there are fewer and fewer (and many of those are "older" models) so it's nice to see a new car with one.

This is my complaint. As a fan of the "Rad-era", I really love the R3 and it's retro Lada/Lancia/GTI lines - but despite the lower roof line, it's still roughly the same length as a modern RAV4.

That being said at the right price, the R3 could be the first EV I'm genuinely interested in.

90's Pontiac as a whole was cladding affliction central.

I think the first one that actually made an effort to rid itself of it was the 8th gen grand prix.

I think you're correct. That was the car that had rear doors that swung open a full 90 degrees. Only reason I knew that was when that vehicle was still current I did some business with a gentleman who was an engineer, originally from Conneticut as I recall, that was working at GM manufacturing in Oshawa, ON where the vehicles were built .

I read there was a particular designer at GM that was responsible for slapping those ridiculous mouldings on everything.