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gymratter 12-14-2021 11:40 AM

Toyota GR SPORTS EV Concept could be an electric MR2 successor / Toyota FT-Se Concept
 
EV MR2 concept?

https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021...214_BEV_19.jpg
https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021...214_BEV_39.jpg

bcj 12-14-2021 12:19 PM

Looks even more Chester than the BRZ

gymratter 12-14-2021 12:26 PM

i like it, but its not perfect by any means. if and when a road version is approved, no doubt it will be cleaned up. case in point:

https://cdn.hum3d.com/wp-content/upl..._1000_0001.jpg
https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021...214_BEV_14.jpg

vh_supra26 12-14-2021 12:53 PM

Some screenshots.

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...r2_3-jpg.4260/
https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...r2_2-jpg.4261/
https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...r2_1-jpg.4262/
https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/at...r2_1-jpg.4263/

mazeroni 12-14-2021 02:28 PM

Yup... MR2 Successor is "real." EV as expected.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/iwg0...214_BEV_39.jpg

Lexus EV Supercar is very Supra-ish
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8ieH...214_BEV_33.jpg

Irace86.2.0 12-15-2021 12:27 AM

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And what is this?

Irace86.2.0 12-15-2021 12:33 AM

Oh, the rust yellow one is an MR2 successor, says the other thread.

Dadhawk 12-15-2021 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3488920)
And what is this?

Supposedly the MR2 successor although not sure how it would be a mid-engine so they'll have to change the name unless that is M=Magnetic R=Rotors X 2.

Irace86.2.0 12-15-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mazeroni (Post 3488970)
Interesting idea, and I think you could be right. In the Taycan, and Lucid (with the smaller battery) they remove cells from the rear passenger footwell to make it more comfortable so your knees aren't so high. But those cars are also very long, so moving moving the batteries around should be relatively easy.

For a supercar, to get more than 100 kwh, if that is a target, they probably will have to be stacked given the limited size and need for 4-electric motors and whatever suspension they go with.

Lotus did this with the Evija.

https://youtu.be/feeymSYx0sg

Red-86 12-15-2021 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3488951)
Supposedly the MR2 successor although not sure how it would be a mid-engine so they'll have to change the name unless that is M=Magnetic R=Rotors X 2.

If Porker can call an EV a ‘turbo’ then Toyota can call an EV an MR2 I guess? ;) At some point it becomes a ‘brand’ rather than a descriptor of the engineering.

Red-86 12-15-2021 04:09 PM

Gotta say, I dig the EV MR2 idea. Especially if that is the only way to get a new one, since the window for an ICE one, even hybrid, is closing.

But is it a real chance of production or just another SF-R style concept that will never enter production?

Sasquachulator 12-16-2021 11:01 PM

That would depend if there is a market for one, which there could be, especially a cheap EV sports car.

right now EV's are expensive luxury cars or SUV's.
"lesser" EV's arent even available in North America, (Europe has a bunch though...and they're all CUVs lol)

when the SF-R concept was revealed i think Toyota was in the midst of its "who can we build this thing with?" since they were all about collaboration with sports cars and whether there was a business case to keep it priced below an 86 and sell in enough numbers to justify its existence.

Captain Snooze 12-17-2021 06:17 AM

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If we're going to play Suzuki concept cars I give you this from 2001:


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Sasquachulator 12-17-2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 3488762)
i like it, but its not perfect by any means. if and when a road version is approved, no doubt it will be cleaned up. case in point:

https://cdn.hum3d.com/wp-content/upl..._1000_0001.jpg
https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2021...214_BEV_14.jpg

All the styling cues are there, but the concept looked like a coupe/CUV, while the production version looks like an electric RX.

But if they really wanted to, they could go the LC route....that thing is 95% concept to reality.
https://images.hgmsites.net/hug/lexus_100376716_h.jpg
http://www.carfeed.net/wp-content/up...00-feature.jpg

Lantanafrs2 07-27-2022 06:06 AM

Another collaboration
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...ports-car/amp/

Captain Snooze 07-27-2022 06:56 AM

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Want.
Well, maybe.

Hang on a sec. That's a pic from at least 2018. The page I'm looking at is referring to MR2 speculation. It would seem to be a pic that has been used quite a bit for rumours.
https://carbuzz.com/news/we-think-th...look-like-this

I hope it doesn't turn into another SFR tease. *sigh*
Just in case you had forgotten:

Attachment 213880

Irace86.2.0 07-27-2022 07:24 AM

I’ll believe it when I see it. Like the Honda S660, this very speculative vehicle would probably be sold in specific markets only, especially considering the collaboration.

https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GL...ersion-z-4.jpg

Dadhawk 07-27-2022 08:16 AM

Toyota is quickly becoming the James Patterson of sports cars. Sure, the ones produced are good, but how much of it is really them any more? Honestly, I'm over it.

Time for Toyota to put up or drop out of the sports car genre as far as I'm concerned.

Sasquachulator 07-27-2022 09:43 AM

1.0 L Turbo sportscar?

Daihatsu, Suzuki and Toyota?

sounds like it would be:
-Next gen Daihatsu Copen
-Revival of Suzuki Cappuccino
-Dunno what Toyota would get out of it...revived Celica as a smaller car (was never a 1.0L class car), Revived Sports 800, or some successor to the Toyota Paseo?.
Edit: Noticed the article mentioned mid-engined 2 door...so revived MR2?

to be fair the only outlier in this group is actually Suzuki, Toyota owns Daihatsu i think.

Sasquachulator 07-27-2022 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3537242)
I’ll believe it when I see it. Like the Honda S660, this very speculative vehicle would probably be sold in specific markets only, especially considering the collaboration.

https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GL...ersion-z-4.jpg

Very likely we wont see it here in North America.
All the car manufacturers have pulled their 1.0L econobox sub-compact offerings from the North American market. The Koreans and GM i think might be the only ones left in this segment (Accent, Rio, Spark?) and even then i think they're on the way out once their current gen lifecycles are done. OH I suppose Nissan's still here (Versa) and Mitsubishi (Mirage...but that thing is trash and I think Mitsu just keeps it around to make their portfolio look a little more full)

chipmunk 07-27-2022 12:38 PM

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From Forbes:

In the past, Toyota has teamed up with Subaru to build the GR86 and BRZ, and more recently the brands’ first-ever electric SUVs, while a BMW collaboration has given rise to the Supra and Z4. Now, according to a report in Japan’s biggest-selling magazine, Best Car, Japan’s No 1 carmaker is joining forces with small car experts Suzuki and Daihatsu to build a compact sports car.

Although Toyota can still produce its own in-house sports cars, like the recently released GR Yaris and GR Corolla, the consensus is that collaboration is the way forward if you’re going to build a cost-effective sports car.

So to realize the goal of creating a viable two-door, Toyota will lend its GA-B platform used on the GR Yaris while Suzuki will donate its turbocharged, 3-cylinder 1.0-liter gasoline engine to the process. However, as Suzuki fitted its turbo powerplant to drive the front wheels of its Swift Turbo model, the engine will have to be switched to a rear-drive, mid-engine configuration for the new 3-company project to deliver the best handling possible.

And while the Swift Turbo generates around 110-hp, the new coupe is expected to be boosted to around 150-hp giving the lightweight sports car an excellent power-to-weight ratio. Suzuki’s 6-speed torque converter automatic is expected to do the honors in the transmission department.

As seen in the attached image, the joint project will have an overall mid-engined layout with short overhangs, sleek lines and a side air intake to feed air into the engine bay.

As with all co-developed cars such as the GR86 and BRZ, which employ the same platform, suspension and powertrain, the only room for differentiation falls to the aesthetics department, and of course some minor suspension enhancements. While we can expect each carmaker to adopt the same basic exterior and interior designs, we can look forward to seeing them tweak their styling to add uniqueness and flair.

Expect these three coupes to land in showrooms in 2025, with the as yet unnamed sports cars’ price hovering in the mid $20,000s.

Tcoat 07-27-2022 01:08 PM

Wait!
That was supposed to be the joint venture with Lotus car!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterly...h=579658873590

Oh and Porsche back in 2019
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar186367.html

Oh and Porsche AND Lotus in 2021
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-mr2-...p-from-porsche

"Image courtesy of Toyota" my ass.
There are an awful lot of "wills" in the article without a single source listed.
File it as complete and total bullshit that only the dumbest of the dumb fall for.

NoHaveMSG 07-27-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3537300)
File it as complete and total bullshit that only the dumbest of the dumb fall for.

https://i.imgflip.com/t8r9y.jpg

Ultramaroon 07-27-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3537300)
"Image courtesy of Toyota" my ass.

You're conflating with the older articles. This photo is a completely different angle.

Tcoat 07-27-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3537306)
You're conflating with the older articles. This photo is a completely different angle.

I hacked Toyota and got the original design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Ed6Ggzw0s

Ultramaroon 07-27-2022 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3537321)
I hacked Toyota and got the original design.

mad skillz

bcj 07-27-2022 03:31 PM

So. It's going to be a DSM collabo ...

Dadhawk 07-27-2022 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3537321)
I hacked Toyota and got the original design.

I went for the origin story....

https://www.motor1.com/news/297961/t...s-car-concept/

chipmunk 07-27-2022 06:14 PM

Forbes has become basically another blog site for pseudo-journalists, no better than Yahoo or MSN. But the rumors about an M-R Toyota have been flying around for a while.
Recall the days before 2022 BRZ/86 was released - rumors ranged from "no changes" to "300hp turbo brah!".

Take everything with a pound of salt.

Lantanafrs2 07-27-2022 06:28 PM

The bullshit being tossed around here by supposed "insiders" regarding the current generation of 86 a few yrs ago make these click bait articles look like the farmers almanac.

Sasquachulator 07-28-2022 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3537300)
Wait!
That was supposed to be the joint venture with Lotus car!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterly...h=579658873590

Oh and Porsche back in 2019
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar186367.html

Oh and Porsche AND Lotus in 2021
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-mr2-...p-from-porsche

"Image courtesy of Toyota" my ass.
There are an awful lot of "wills" in the article without a single source listed.
File it as complete and total bullshit that only the dumbest of the dumb fall for.

The funny thing about the porsche rumor was that it was Tada only mentioning that he'd love to collab with Porsche to create a new MR2 and nothing more.
And after several rumor blogs and the telephone effect, it somehow became "Toyota is collabing with porsche to create an MR2!"

I think the lotus one was the same way, except it was just theorycraft mathematics that turned it into a rumor.
-Lotus makes small midengined sports car (Elise) + Toyota has midengine sports car before (MR2) + Lotus borrows Toyota powertrain (2zz and 2GR, i think a 1ZZ got in there for a period when the 2ZZ had to go due to emissions) + 3rd gen MRS with 2zz swap turns it into a poor mans elise = TOYOTA AND LOTUS WILL PAIR UP TO MAKE A NEXT GEN MR2/SPORTS CAR!!!

chipmunk 07-28-2022 10:40 AM

If you rearrange the letters of LOTUS, ELISE, MID-ENGINE, TOYOTA... and remove a few... you get ILLUMINATI. Alternatively you can also spell ILOOMINATY, whichever you choose.



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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3537481)
Lotus makes small midengined sports car (Elise) + Toyota has midengine sports car before (MR2) + Lotus borrows Toyota powertrain (2zz and 2GR, i think a 1ZZ got in there for a period when the 2ZZ had to go due to emissions) + 3rd gen MRS with 2zz swap turns it into a poor mans elise = TOYOTA AND LOTUS WILL PAIR UP TO MAKE A NEXT GEN MR2/SPORTS CAR!!!


80beh 07-28-2022 10:44 PM

Suzuki need to donate the sweet K14C engine. Some tuner in UK managed to extract close to 300hp out of it with stock internal.

Captain Snooze 07-29-2022 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3537256)
to be fair the only outlier in this group is actually Suzuki, Toyota owns Daihatsu i think.

Toyota holds a 4.94% stake in Suzuki, while Suzuki holds 0.2% stake in Toyota.
Wiki

Red-86 08-07-2022 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipmunk (Post 3537294)
From Forbes:

Japan’s No 1 carmaker is joining forces with small car experts Suzuki and Daihatsu to build a compact sports car.

Expect these three coupes to land in showrooms in 2025, with the as yet unnamed sports cars’ price hovering in the mid $20,000s.

Lol, as much as I wish this was true, it seems very unlikely. If something were to arise from such a collab, it is more likely to end up as a ‘Japan only’ kei car, like the S660. In fact, it would likely end up with a 660ml engine to fit within the kei regs, maybe with a 1L option for those Japanese prepared to pay full price. Almost no chance of such a car being sold outside Japan if it even happens.

If Toyota were really going to make a dedicated new MR2, I think it’s more likely it would be an EV like the styling concept they showed a while ago.

https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/m...=70&width=3840

https://www.thedrive.com/news/43507/...like-a-new-mr2

But even that is unlikely to ever enter production - it played its role as a styling concept and will soon be forgotten. A shame, because a tiny RWD EV sports coupe that is affordable would be one way to entice me out of my ICE RWD and into an EV instead.

Dadhawk 08-07-2022 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Red-86 (Post 3539977)
But even that is unlikely to ever enter production - it played its role as a styling concept and will soon be forgotten..

If the auto manufacturers would take all the money and energy the sink into "styling concepts" and "show car concepts" they never plan to build and instead work on vehicle designs they actually can use/build, maybe Toyota could once again design an "all Toyota" sports car rather than just modifying and rebranding someone else's car.

chipmunk 08-08-2022 06:30 AM

Best Car from Japan has, more often than not, turned out to be very realistic. Renderings can be old concept designs, but I give it more credibility than most, if not all, US auto webpages.

Tcoat 08-08-2022 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3539994)
If the auto manufacturers would talk all the money and energy the sink into "styling concepts" and "show car concepts" they never plan to build and instead work on vehicle designs the actually can use, maybe Toyota could once again design an "all Toyota" sports car rather than just modifying and rebranding someone else's car.

90% of what is presented as "concept" cars by the clickbaits are just renders made by some random dude on the internet with a totally fictional backstory.
The few that actually are real are often just a shell that didn't cost much to make anyway.
Anything that actually has a chassis and drivetrain will, more often than not, make it to production in some form so the investment is worth it.

Tcoat 08-08-2022 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Red-86 (Post 3539977)
Lol, as much as I wish this was true, it seems very unlikely. If something were to arise from such a collab, it is more likely to end up as a ‘Japan only’ kei car, like the S660. In fact, it would likely end up with a 660ml engine to fit within the kei regs, maybe with a 1L option for those Japanese prepared to pay full price. Almost no chance of such a car being sold outside Japan if it even happens.

If Toyota were really going to make a dedicated new MR2, I think it’s more likely it would be an EV like the styling concept they showed a while ago.

https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/m...=70&width=3840

https://www.thedrive.com/news/43507/...like-a-new-mr2

But even that is unlikely to ever enter production - it played its role as a styling concept and will soon be forgotten. A shame, because a tiny RWD EV sports coupe that is affordable would be one way to entice me out of my ICE RWD and into an EV instead.

EXACTLY! They have been showing that EV sportscar for months now.
Although they have been showing the proposed lineup as both Toyota AND Lexus models. There is a strong probability that all the cars shown will indeed hit production but the EV sportscar could be a Lexus as easily as a Toyota. That would make it a whole different kettle of fish.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/P3...-ev-lineup.jpg

Sasquachulator 08-08-2022 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3540094)
EXACTLY! They have been showing that EV sportscar for months now.
Although they have been showing the proposed lineup as both Toyota AND Lexus models. There is a strong probability that all the cars shown will indeed hit production but the EV sportscar could be a Lexus as easily as a Toyota. That would make it a whole different kettle of fish.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/P3...-ev-lineup.jpg

If you throw in that GT3 racer they showed off not long ago, then its possible that the Lexus would exclusively get the EV super/sports car and if Toyota got something, it'll be that GT3 racer variant (to be fair...aside from racing who knows if that GT3 racer gets a production car and whether it goes to Toyota, Lexus or both)

There is a rumor that Lexus is working on 2 variants of the LFA successor, that BEV supercar and some other one utilizing a new hybrid TT V8 (could be the continued development of the TT V8 that Lexus WAS working on before the whole pandemic and gas prices went to shit) Of course they both COULD use the same bodyshell but one being EV and one being ICE it might be different

Or Toyota ISNT getting some super expensive sportscar, as they add to their GR lineup (So the GR lineup, + possible MR2 revival and the other rumor i heard about was them collabing with Mazda to revive their RX7 and Toyota possibly reviving Celica nameplate for their version)

Lot of crazy sportscar rumors (with the only ones being remotely true are the Lexus BEV supercar and some kind of EV MR2 being considered) coming out of Toyota...of all companies lol.


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