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SubyRS1 08-10-2023 01:00 PM

Drifting Mod Chip available?
 
Just curious if there is such a drifting mod chip because of what I saw a Nissan 370Z do the other day.

I saw the Z driver perfectly slide the rear around a left turn in front of me, no smoking tires, just barely enough wheel spin to initiate the "casual looking" rear slide for the entire turn. I gave him a thumbs up as he slid past in front of me going the other direction. I'm jealous :(

It got me thinking....is there a TCS mod out there to perform controlled, modest slides?

NoHaveMSG 08-10-2023 01:17 PM

lol wut?

Sounds like driver mod, how is a chip going to countersteer for you?

Clipdat 08-10-2023 01:26 PM

Or you could just not drive like a fucking asshole in public.

RToyo86 08-10-2023 01:46 PM

You need the driver mod chip for your brain

NoHaveMSG 08-10-2023 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RToyo86 (Post 3589376)
You need the driver mod chip for your brain

I heard you can watch Keiichi Tsuchiya video's Clockwork Orange style and get the same effect.

gnarjunkie 08-10-2023 03:05 PM

Sounds like the guy just knew how to drive

SubyRS1 08-10-2023 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3589371)
lol wut?

Sounds like driver mod, how is a chip going to countersteer for you?

Was thinking TCS could control right amount of wheel over spin to allow the rear to move out...counter steering obviously by driver.

Right now with TCS on I can get the rear to move out easily (with 300hp) but it catches the slide by cutting power.

NoHaveMSG 08-10-2023 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SubyRS1 (Post 3589384)
Was thinking TCS could control right amount of wheel over spin to allow the rear to move out...counter steering obviously by driver.

Yeah, they call this TCS setting "Off" :D

SubyRS1 08-10-2023 04:22 PM

Should be called TS (traction system) instead of TCS because there is no control over the amount of wheel spin you want.

For those doubting this could ever be done...it already has been done on a smaller scale. "Drifting" RC cars have been around for over a decade now.

While I would not want my steering input overridden as it is on the RC's, the technology for controlling the wheel spin is already there.

alex87f 08-10-2023 04:33 PM

Track mode on the facelift cars will let you slide a bit more, but it won't help you slide. It just won't cut you so early and aggressively.

A proper drift mode would rely on the ESP (maybe?) and torque vectoring, the latter of which these cars don't have.

NoHaveMSG 08-10-2023 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SubyRS1 (Post 3589389)
Should be called TS (traction system) instead of TCS because there is no control over the amount of wheel spin you want.

For those doubting this could ever be done...it already has been done on a smaller scale. "Drifting" RC cars have been around for over a decade now.

While I would not want my steering input overridden as it is on the RC's, the technology for controlling the wheel spin is already there.

My bad. RC and full size car totally the same thing.

Ultramaroon 08-10-2023 04:47 PM

Brags about 300 HP.

Hasn't read the owner's manual.

Sapphireho 08-10-2023 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3589395)
Brags about 300 HP.

Hasn't read the owner's manual.

Guess I better find my manual.

WildCard600 08-10-2023 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3589394)
My bad. RC and full size car totally the same thing.

To be fair, Ducati has electronic slide and wheelie control on it's bikes, seems like it wouldn't be hard to do electronic drifting aids in a car.

:iono:

NoHaveMSG 08-10-2023 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildCard600 (Post 3589410)
To be fair, Ducati has electronic slide and wheelie control on it's bikes, seems like it wouldn't be hard to do electronic drifting aids in a car.

:iono:

Different mechanisms at play. Ducati is probably using a gyro to determine pitch and yaw and allowing some leeway as to what angle it will interfere. Similar to what RC cars are probably doing like with what he is talking about. As far as I am aware most cars are just using wheel speed sensors in conjunction with ABS to just control wheelspin or slip. There are far better TCS systems that are out there that can be left on and allow far more leeway and assistance without being as intrusive than the twins. But we all know how intrusive the TCS is on these cars, especially pre facelift.

What if OP goes and starts doing skid pad days and learns to drift, comes back and shows us up with some sick video. Would be a better love story then twilight.

WildCard600 08-10-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3589411)
Different mechanisms at play. Ducati is probably using a gyro to determine pitch and yaw and allowing some leeway as to what angle it will interfere. Similar to what RC cars are probably doing like with what he is talking about. As far as I am aware most cars are just using wheel speed sensors in conjunction with ABS to just control wheelspin or slip. There are far better TCS systems that are out there that can be left on and allow far more leeway and assistance without being as intrusive than the twins. But we all know how intrusive the TCS is on these cars, especially pre facelift.

What if OP goes and starts doing skid pad days and learns to drift, comes back and shows us up with some sick video. Would be a better love story then twilight.

Unacceptable. I demand that toyobaru implement the same level of electronic sophistication seen on a motorcycle that retails for the same dollar amount as our entire cars damnit!

:mad0260:

Grady 08-10-2023 07:39 PM

They put it on a Mclaren not sure why we did not get it?

https://youtu.be/H6p0munPskw

Ultramaroon 08-10-2023 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3589406)
Guess I better find my manual.

We all know Google knows all. No excuses.

vindiesel 08-10-2023 08:48 PM

I want a chip where people move out of the left lane…

They will never stick drift technology in a 30k car.

Drift chip? You say posi-traction too? lol

Arthur-A 08-10-2023 09:53 PM

All these "drift modes" are total bullshit and are usually present on a poorly setup AWD cars. A properly setup AWD car will drift if you want it to and will steer where you want it to. It doesn't need any "special" modes. Provided you know what you're doing. Having such bullshit modes on a RWD chassis is a nonsense.

Arthur-A 08-10-2023 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SubyRS1 (Post 3589384)
Was thinking TCS could

Turn. That. Crap. Off.

Tokay444 08-11-2023 11:53 AM

in4lulz.

DarkPira7e 08-11-2023 11:59 AM

I too usually enroll in courses meant to teach me something, while expecting the work to be done so I don't have to learn.

Spuds 08-11-2023 01:39 PM

I just use the long press on the TCS. Drift mode activated. :iono:

Harder/narrower tires also help.

humfrz 08-11-2023 04:19 PM

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Heck, back in the day, we used to do that all the time, with less than 85 HP.

Just drive your car with bald tires down a gravel road - :D

CSG Mike 08-11-2023 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WildCard600 (Post 3589410)
To be fair, Ducati has electronic slide and wheelie control on it's bikes, seems like it wouldn't be hard to do electronic drifting aids in a car.

:iono:

2 vs 4 wheels.

Now if we're talking quad motor EV....

CSG Mike 08-11-2023 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A (Post 3589429)
All these "drift modes" are total bullshit and are usually present on a poorly setup AWD cars. A properly setup AWD car will drift if you want it to and will steer where you want it to. It doesn't need any "special" modes. Provided you know what you're doing. Having such bullshit modes on a RWD chassis is a nonsense.

Can you elaborate please?

Arthur-A 08-11-2023 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3589524)
Can you elaborate please?

About AWD cars? I'm talking about EVOs and STIs for example. They don't have special "drift buttons" and can go sideways on throttle without issues.

CSG Mike 08-11-2023 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A (Post 3589525)
About AWD cars? I'm talking about EVOs and STIs for example. They don't have special "drift buttons" and can go sideways on throttle without issues.

Evos and STIs have a hard tendency to plow on throttle. You can chuck them into a corner sideways, but they won't be power-overing without some specific work.

"drift modes" specifically are programmed to promote rotation to mitigate that on-throttle plow.

Arthur-A 08-11-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3589527)
Evos and STIs have a hard tendency to plow on throttle. You can chuck them into a corner sideways, but they won't be power-overing without some specific work.

"drift modes" specifically are programmed to promote rotation to mitigate that on-throttle plow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irIu...nnel=jordxrims

This one is a very rare Evo VI TME RS, which doesn't have ACD, let alone AYC, yet it goes sideways on throttle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txLe...el=SaNeoNimoff

CSG Mike 08-11-2023 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A (Post 3589530)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irIu...nnel=jordxrims

This one is a very rare Evo VI TME RS, which doesn't have ACD, let alone AYC, yet it goes sideways on throttle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txLe...el=SaNeoNimoff

One car is not even close to stock. Both are initiating with trailing or feinting. Neither are examples of power-over.

Arthur-A 08-11-2023 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3589531)
One car is not even close to stock. Both are initiating with trailing or feinting. Neither are examples of power-over.

Even RWD cars understeer sometimes if you just power over.

I saw videos with Focus RS and GR Yaris attemp "drifting" and they show way more understeer than Evos.

Btw, that white Evo had just catless turboback and a tune, and EVO9 head, if I remember correctly. Suspension was stock. Nothing special, sub 400hp at the crank.

CSG Mike 08-11-2023 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A (Post 3589534)
Even RWD cars understeer sometimes if you just power over.

I saw videos with Focus RS and GR Yaris attemp "drifting" and they show way more understeer than Evos.

Btw, that white Evo had just catless turboback and a tune, and EVO9 head, if I remember correctly. Suspension was stock. Nothing special, sub 400hp at the crank.

Again, both of these cars are initiating slides with weight transfer, not a power-over.

These modern AWD cars with drift modes can initiate with just a power-over.

Arthur-A 08-11-2023 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3589535)
These modern AWD cars with drift modes can initiate with just a power-over.

I tried to find a good example video with GR Yaris where it initiates with just throttle, but couldn't find one.

CSG Mike 08-11-2023 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A (Post 3589538)
I tried to find a good example video with GR Yaris where it initiates with just throttle, but couldn't find one.

That's because it doesn't have a drift mode, unlike some other AWD vehicles.

Ultramaroon 08-11-2023 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3589511)
Heck, back in the day, we used to do that all the time, with less than 85 HP.

Just drive your car with bald tires down a gravel road - :D

That's exactly how I started hooning. ...when I was 9.

WildCard600 08-11-2023 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3589523)
2 vs 4 wheels.

Now if we're talking quad motor EV....


sure, but you don't have to worry about high sides in a car. :iono:

Arthur-A 08-11-2023 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3589539)
That's because it doesn't have a drift mode, unlike some other AWD vehicles.

Ah, confused it with "sport mode" (30:70).

So that leaves A45 AMG and Golf R Mk8 then.

Well, in that case, if I ever wanted a modern AWD car, I'd pick M240i xdrive or 340 one. They're even more fun and don't need a specific mode to enjoy them.

Spairo 08-11-2023 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 3589373)
Or you could just not drive like a fucking asshole in public.

THIS!!!!

Spairo 08-11-2023 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3589476)
I too usually enroll in courses meant to teach me something, while expecting the work to be done so I don't have to learn.

And this!!!!


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