Thoughts and secrets of the FR-S/FT-86 Interior
 

Hello everyone, I am closely anticipating this car as I know many of you are since 2009. I haven't seen or heard much on the interior of this car besides the concept of 2009 which I think will look nothing like that. But I think it's strange that with the two concepts released in the first quarter of the year and yet there's still no interior shown. With that being said and with the production models to be seen at the Tokyo this December I would like to hear what you guys expect and hope to see on the interior of these cars in respects to their NA/Japanese counterparts. I'm sure the FT will get a bit better interior than the FR seeing as we always get the watered down vehicle here in America and of course with it being a Scion, what are your thoughts? I for one would like to see an engine start button. I know it seems high end for a scion but with Nissan, Lexus, and even Hyundai integrating this into their cars I really think all cars will eventually have it and I think it fits the look of this vehicle.

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Inserting and twisting the key is more efficient than inserting the key and then pushing the button. So I vote traditional.

Unless you have keyless start, I think push button start is pretentious counterproductive nonsense.

What I meant was the keyless, same as the one in a 370Z or Maxima.

Push button start is not as bad as you say enc0re. The only thing I hate is that if the battery goes dead in the key your SOL.

Well there's a pull out back up key in the fob in case that happens so it's not too bad. But my opinion all cars will eventually have it anyway.

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Hate to be your first but please :search:

There has already been a thread started on this topic of the interior. Please feel free to add to that thread or ask any questions in there that haven't been asked already.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...light=interior

One day all Cars will run on Fairy Farts. I WANT THE FT-86 TO RUN ON FAIRY FARTS.

But seriously how it starts is my least concern. Just that it does. I plan on spending more time driving than starting it.

There's even already been a thread about push to start vs. keys.

I like the feel of a key, and it lowers the miscellaneous electronics needed in the interior, so I'd vote key all day long.

I think it's pretty safe to say that could be a keyless option; but that it won't come standard.


To rest of OP, there is no indication and should be no hope that the production interior will look anything like that concept. Yes, it looks great; yes, thin seats like that look sweet and maximize rear room; I'll bet a lot that it'll just be cheap plastic like the rest of everything.
The subaru version will probably look similar to a current subaru, I'm pretty sure they all use the exact same dash (perhaps new legacy is different?) but they're all quite similar.

I just want something that doesn't rattle or feel cheap. I also want a monitor capable if playing videos. I'm not too worried about the seats I'll probably end up replacing them anyways.

I don't like the push button starters, I'll take a good ol key please.

The only thing I require is an AC/Heater unit. Everything else is optional/not needed.

Unfortunately, all cars (or at least most cars that are priced in the 5 figure range) have rattles/squeaks/etc. I know Scions do for sure and even the guys on the STI forum that I frequent post complaints about their strange interior noises on a huge thread made for this very topic. Hopefully the [beautiful] engine music will drown out most of it though (but I know there are some people with super-keen hearing that will get annoyed by such irritating noises). As for "cheap" feel, we get what we pay for, no?

Cheap feel? Rattles and squeaks? Never driven a VW Golf/GTI? One of the nicest interiors for $20k.

Funny, I was thinking about push button start just yesterday. Never had one, never cared for one. Then I drove a friend's G37 and a relative's 3rd gen Prius a few times this past year. The button grows on you if you've never tried it.

I've only ever bought used cars to save money. They never came with MP3 playback or Bluetooth (both standard in many of today's econo cars) which I want on my next car. Fumbling with my Android phone for GPS is unsafe; I'd opt for an in-dash navi. With this being my first new car purchase, I don't want to cheap out on myself this time around.

The exterior on all 3 concepts look modern. Scion should make the interior follow suit and show relevance to the times.

And I think the start button + wiring is lighter than the ignition switch cylinder. Probably why supercars implement it. Also, the weight of your keychain can sag/misalign a traditional key cylinder over time; less moving parts on a button = less things that can break.

In the new Prius the key just needs to be somewhere around the cockpit (like inside your pocket) to be detected so the push button can work.

I'm with you there...my cousin had just gotten a 370Z and I love the interior of it, only problem with the Z is it's out of my price range. The FR-S will be the first car I buy brand new as well and if the production model comes out to look good and the price range stays relatively low towards the lower twenties it's looking like a deal. Otherwise over 25 grand I'll be looking into another vehicle.

Yeah the only time I've seen the key inserted into the ignition for the push start was a S2000, other wise Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, and even Hyundai vehicles now have it where you just need the fob in your pocket. I can see this being an option on the FR-S seeing as how the 7.0 release tC has a engine start button.

Hence the "most" I wrote in parentheses. Thought I was clear on that, but I guess it was foolish of me to not expect a counter-statement. And I was only pointing out to Fortunate Few that since Scions and Subarus both are known to have vehicles with rattles and squeaks, it wouldn't be a leap of logic to expect such from the FT.

Nope it wasn't clear. There are plenty of great cars in the mid $20k's without sequeks. My parent's '06 Camry is super quiet as well as my wife's Subaru Legacy. So what is your point again?

As I said, it makes sense if you have keyless start. If you have to insert the key anyway, it's useless fluff.

I had always thought the keyless start was to prevent people from stealing your car by hardwiring. Lol

"Plenty" is not a majority. Also basing this statement on that fact that you, yourself, do not hear any noises does not mean that others share your experience. I'm not going restate the point of my post since I don't believe you genuinely care.

Gotcha. I misinterpreted your "keyless start" literally and thought remote start which is truely keyless (like keyless entry). But we're talking the same thing which requires a key to be physically present, just not plugged in.

But I agree. My cousin's 3.28xi Beamer is plug-in to start. She usually has to explain how to eject the key after people drive it. I figured out how but not without yanking and wiggling things around first. :bonk:

Never said there was a majority but there are enough with nice interiors at this price range. You get what you pay for. Not sure why you are ragging on it before it is even out. I bet you it will surprise you and your expectations.

I hope so and I'd place my money with your bet as well.

I just hopet he cluth pedal doesn't ride so high up like in a 370z I was so surprised of the clutch position compared to the s2000 or the Civic Si or the old Celica. If the clutch is about the same position as the S2000, Im happy. Also I don't mind digital dash at all, but I wouldn't mind the analog with the little blip thing that happens when you start a Lexus ISF.

http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/01/19...start-systems/

sorry.

Basically, some engineering kids at a Swedish school made a program such that:
1. You get out of your car
2. Thief 1 follows you, has transponder that established communication with the key
3. Thief 2 receives data from thief 1 wirelessly
4. Thief 2 drives away

in the winter my dads key went dead, it has a key inside of the key to open the door and to start the car all you have to do is put the electronic keys face to face with the start button.

( the companies logo should point to the start button) Then put keys in your pocket or w/e u wana do with it and push the start button... WA LAH!

Make sense. Lol Thanks for the link. I don't agree with keyless starts either but its nice to informed now. haha

The Mk6 GTI is the current interior design benchmark in the automotive industry for <$30k cars. VW spent a LOT of money not only on development but materials too. They were able to pull off such a great interior because most of the Mk6 underpinnings were paid for in the Mk5 chassis.

Don't expect the FR-S to have anywhere near as nice an interior. Toyota has a whole stack of regulations regarding how cheap [as in low-cost] their interiors must be to fit the corporate model. Toyoda-san himself will have to pull a hat-trick out of his arse to force his company to make an interior that approaches the level of the VW interior.

Even then, the FR-S has never been about posh accommodations, it's been about handling and machine/driver balance. Toyota's best bet [IMO] is to riff the Lotus Elise interior, which is all about making the most of the existing structure and spending almost nothing on materials and tooling.

I don't think anyone would argue to expect the FT86 to have an interior close to the Mk6 GTI. Two totally different kinds of cars. VW prides itself with their interiors. However, the FT86 wont have the electrical and other mechanical issues the VWs have and force them to spend more time in the shop and less time on the road enjoying them. :burnrubber:

I <3 the steering wheel in the GTI. All steering wheels should be like that. Kudos to Scion for trying to imitate it but it's just not the same.

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I like the old tC steering wheel, but maybe that's because I own one

http://image.motortrend.com/f/2009_s...ring_wheel.jpg

The GTI steering wheel looks good, but I am not a big fan of the bajillion buttons

That's amazing that you preemptively know all the statistics for the FT86's reliability! Since it's on its own unproven platform and all, that's really impressive.

VW used to pride themselves on their interiors. Now they're only interested in making their cars cheap so they can be the #1 seller. The Mk6 Jetta, Passat, New New Bettle, and everything beyond is significantly cheaper looking and feeling than the pinnacles [Mk6 GTI, and current Audi A8]

Hey it is Toyota. Their R&D as well as quality control are top in the industry. I have no doubt in Toyota's ability to make this car reliable. NA engine, so no worries about a turbo engine and all its extra parts. Light weight, so less stress on brakes and other car parts. Built in Japan by people who pride themselves in their work. So yes, I can confidently say this car will pass the reliability of a VW and its electrical gremlins. I don't think you will have anyone on here argue the reliability of VW being better than a properly built Toyota car. Or do you want to take up that role? :happy0180:




I test drove a 2011 GTI a few weeks back. I thought the interior was really nice. I have no experience with any of the other models.

Seriously. I am so glad my first car was a Toyota (Scion tC to be exact). Most reliable cars ever. While my friends had their cars in the repair shop (especially the one with a GTI), I was using the extra $ on mods.

We have 3 Toyotas in the family with over 100k miles on them (one close to 200k) that have not undergone any repairs other than regular maintenance.

Granted it's a bit big in the hands, but I love the old R32 GTR's steering wheel's design.

http://www.sr20-forum.com/usergaller...1cfe31fad9.jpg

I've never been sold on VW interiors. The finish and feel is a class above its competition, but the actual quality... meh. Facings of the knobs and such start flaking off (Audi's do that as well).

Even if it's a Scion tC level of finish/refinement, I don't mind. Just as long as it has nice supportive seats and a small thick steering wheel.

tbh most interiors do especially steering wheels. That is, unless the drive is the kind of pro that uses driving gloves all the time :burnrubber: lol. The oils in peopleskin destroy upholstry unfortunately.

Anybody think the interior might resemble the new tC? All the Scion's pretty much have the same basic Pioneer square head unit so I'm thinking the Fr-s will probably have it as well. Also the air conditioning vents in the middle kind of look like those from the spy shots. I don't really think the tC's interior is that bad so if the Fr did end up looking close to that I'd be fine with it but one thing I'm really not feeling are the weird swirly seats the xB and tC have. Hopefully they throw in some plain bucket seats preferably black with red stitching...

Here's a pic of the 7.0 release series tC with push start on it as well:
http://bogascars.com/wp-content/uplo...erior-view.jpg

The Spy shot:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...4&d=1306851850

The interior will probably just look like that spy shot, don't think it'd deviate much from that if at all unless they find some serious flaw.