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Flat Black VW 08-21-2012 06:34 PM

BRZ Back-up Camera and NAV Bypass SOLVED
 
So after spending my day off of work at work working on my car I have completed a back up camera and the DVD/NAV/VIM bypass. :happyanim:
If anyone tries this, I am NOT responsible for you blowing up your radio or car, try this at your own risk.

I started with running the backup camera, and was happy to find this perfect grommet for the wire. I will be using this grommet for my passport 9500ci also when I install that.
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1351.jpg

All the wires were hidden under the trunk cover and run with the factory license plate light wires up to the front of the car. This shows the trunk cover back on with no visible wires.
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1357.jpg

Camera:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1358.jpg

Close-up:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1359.jpg

For those wondering, this is a Rydeen Miny camera. I used this since they are the ones we sell at my shop and I trust them, plus I get a very good deal on them.:thumbup:

I used this diagram to determine where the camera pins go:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...13/photo-3.png

For the pins I used one of SVXdc's plugs for the 2012 impreza rear camera since we had a few sitting at my shop. I pulled the three wires out of his plug and inserted them in my 16 pin plug. The three wires are Camera +, Camera -, and a simple ground. Heres how they looked in the 16 pin connector:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1352.jpg
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1353.jpg
The black and yellow wires on the end lead to an RCA video input, and the second black one in slot 15 needs to be grounded.

While I was there I grounded the grey wire (parking brake) with the black wire:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1355.jpg
This was the beginning of the VIM bypass process.
NOTE: THE GROUNDING LOCATION PICTURED DID NOT WORK, the ground was later moved, but I did not get a picture.

Grounding the grey wire allowed me to watch a DVD with the parking brake disengaged, however I still could not type in an address or use my phone because the VSS(vehicle speed sensor) was letting the radio know I was moving. So, the next step in the VIM bypass was to cut the VSS wire and put it on a switch. The VSS is in pin 17 on the 28 pin connector, on my car it was pink/green. This picture shows the wire cut with the switch wires spliced in:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1354.jpg
I tested everything before putting it back together and it seemed to work fine, took a quick break out back of the shop and spotted this bad boy:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1360.jpg

Back to work, put it mostly back together and tested again:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1361.jpg

Camera works!:happyanim:
Completely reassembled:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3/IMG_1362.jpg

The camera automatically comes on when the vehicle is put into reverse.

The words and lines on the screen are there from the factory radio settings and as of now I do not know how to get rid of them, they don't bother me too much though so who cares.

The VIM bypass also worked perfectly, although I couldn't really get any pics of this.

Good luck to anyone else who gives it a shot, both are totally worth it!:party0030:

mechaghost 08-21-2012 06:48 PM

what, they totally should have put the back up camera to begin with! :) Do the lines change when your steering wheel rotates?

Flat Black VW 08-21-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mechaghost (Post 393932)
what, they totally should have put the back up camera to begin with! :) Do the lines change when your steering wheel rotates?

no unfortunately not

zoomzoomers 08-21-2012 07:08 PM

Awesome job! This is a high priority on my list of things to do to my BRZ. I hope somebody puts out a reasonably cheap kit for this soon. As I'm not so technically inclined as you are I'll have to find a shop to do the work. :w00t::thanks:

xwd 08-21-2012 07:44 PM

Sweet. I was in contact with SVXdc and he was going to do some R&D on my car since we live near each other but I guess you got it figured out.

Why couldn't you just use his harness? Are the pin locations different on the BRZ Nav unit?

Flat Black VW 08-21-2012 08:05 PM

The harness I had from him was a 6 pin for different nav radios. I simply used it for the pins with the RCA input.

green_comet 08-21-2012 08:12 PM

Nice work, here's hoping someone does a detailed step by step install guide on this, including what parts are needed.

TouchMyHonda 08-21-2012 08:18 PM

Dope!

Floggin Tires 08-21-2012 09:01 PM

Nicely done.
Post this here > http://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=43

Halla @DarrenDriven

Flat Black VW 08-21-2012 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floggin Tires (Post 394203)

I didn't put it there since its not a very detailed write up. There is a lot more to the install than I showed.

If the mods deem it good enough to be a DIY feel free to move it

TSY 08-22-2012 12:13 AM

Did you have to wire it to the shifter or is it already pre-wired? Do the JDM cars have back up cameras?

Nice work- I'd love to have a back up camera on my BRZ! I'm going to have to look into getting this done myself.

Flat Black VW 08-22-2012 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TSY (Post 394617)
Did you have to wire it to the shifter or is it already pre-wired? Do the JDM cars have back up cameras?

Nice work- I'd love to have a back up camera on my BRZ! I'm going to have to look into getting this done myself.

I did not have to wire it for the shifter. These NAV radios are pretty much set up to add a back up camera.

TSY 08-22-2012 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Flat Black VW (Post 394647)
I did not have to wire it for the shifter. These NAV radios are pretty much set up to add a back up camera.

That's what I figured. You'd think it would be an option since it's just hooking up an inexpensive little camera.

Thanks again!

zoomzoomers 08-22-2012 01:13 AM

I'm personally waiting for the JDM parts to be available here in the US. Then it should be entirely plug and play. Just hope it won't cost and arm and a leg. Here's hoping the wait will pay off. Cheers to you for taking your own route! :happy0180:

Foobar 08-22-2012 08:13 AM

Excellent! Will be doing this over the weekend. I can't really tell from the pic - is that grommet on the trunk used for the trunk release button? Looks like that whole panel screws off?

Finally, I like the look of that Rydeen - any chance you can spread your good deal around to us FT86Club members?

By the way, the lines/text are from the camera itself I believe. At least that's how other cameras have worked for me.

Here - found this on Rydeen's site:

Quote:

Speaking of the original, the MINy™ retains its Super CMOS III Night Vision camera and waterproof engineered plastic housing. On the inside, it features selectable parking lines that overlay the image, and the view can be reversed for front-mount applications.

sparks 08-22-2012 09:43 AM

Was the ground on pin 15 required to activate the camera?

What did you use to power the camera? Back-up lighting?

Flat Black VW 08-22-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 395060)
Excellent! Will be doing this over the weekend. I can't really tell from the pic - is that grommet on the trunk used for the trunk release button? Looks like that whole panel screws off?

Finally, I like the look of that Rydeen - any chance you can spread your good deal around to us FT86Club members?

By the way, the lines/text are from the camera itself I believe. At least that's how other cameras have worked for me.

Here - found this on Rydeen's site:

The grommet had nothing running through it, seemed like it was basically made for a back up cam/ rear laser diffuser.

The Rydeen camera does have its own lines, I had already disabled them, the ones on the screen are in fact from the Radio, when I first hooked it up it had both sets of lines. :thumbdown: Basically I had to connect two green wires in the camera cables to disable those.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparks (Post 395163)
Was the ground on pin 15 required to activate the camera?

What did you use to power the camera? Back-up lighting?

I have not tried it without the pin in the harness but I do know when that wire wasn't grounded I did not get the camera to come on, so I would say yes.

And yes I used the reverse light wire to power the camera.

ap5512 08-22-2012 12:01 PM

Great write up!...quick question..i saw a pic of your interior showing your head unit...how come you have the FR-S climate controls wheels?....i thought all BRZs have the toggle switches??? Am I missing something??

ap5512 08-22-2012 12:03 PM

nevermind...just figured it out...FACE PALM!!!

sparks 08-22-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ap5512 (Post 395434)
i thought all BRZs have the toggle switches??? Am I missing something??

The Preimum BRZ = FRS, the auto air BRZ is the limited.

Foobar 08-22-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat Black VW (Post 395362)
The grommet had nothing running through it, seemed like it was basically made for a back up cam/ rear laser diffuser.

The Rydeen camera does have its own lines, I had already disabled them, the ones on the screen are in fact from the Radio, when I first hooked it up it had both sets of lines. :thumbdown: Basically I had to connect two green wires in the camera cables to disable those.

Does the Premium not have a trunk release button on that surface? I wonder if the Rydeen Duo could fit right through that hole:
http://www.rydeenmobile.com/Backup%2...upCameras.html

I hope I can disable the lines on the cheapo camera I bought, I didn't realize the HU had its own.

sure74 08-22-2012 01:22 PM

Nicely done!

Any suggestion as to where we can get one of those 16 pin plugs and few wire pins?

Foobar 08-22-2012 01:29 PM

By the way, what was that gray ground wire plugged into before this mod? Was it already going into the 16 pin harness by itself and you added the three extra to that harness?

sure74 08-22-2012 01:35 PM

OK, looks like the 16 pin plug is already connected and has 1 wire for the hand brake.

So we just need a few wire pins.

sparks 08-22-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 395658)
By the way, what's that gray ground wire plugged into before this mod? Was it already going into the 16 pin harness by itself and you added the three extra to that harness?

The gray wire is the parking brake input

Foobar 08-22-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sparks (Post 395714)
The gray wire is the parking brake input

Damned English contractions and multiple meanings! I meant what was it plugged into. Sounds like it was in the 16 pin harness all by itself, so all I need to do is get my camera's + and - wires onto that same harness. Are there contact pins already there to solder in to or is it a blank with just one pin for the gray parking brake wire?

azian_advanced 08-22-2012 02:16 PM

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subaru will be offering some features to its BRZ lineup in the next little while and a backup camera is one of them (at least for the Australian market).

but it's great that someone was able to come up with their own before subaru's release.

sparks 08-22-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 395734)
Damned English contractions and multiple meanings! I meant what was it plugged into. Sounds like it was in the 16 pin harness all by itself, so all I need to do is get my camera's + and - wires onto that same harness. Are there contact pins already there to solder in to or is it a blank with just one pin for the gray parking brake wire?

Correct the brake wire is the only wire in the plug. There are no other pins in the plug. VW USED pins from the 12 Impreza kit SVXdc sells, but had to cram them in. I'm working another angle with the Subaru terminal kit to match something up. More to follow, stay tuned.

Foobar 08-22-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparks (Post 395886)
Correct the brake wire is the only wire in the plug. There are no other pins in the plug. VW USED pins from the 12 Impreza kit SVXdc sells, but had to cram them in. I'm working another angle with the Subaru terminal kit to match something up. More to follow, stay tuned.

OK sounds good. Does Radio Shack carry the 16 pin harness (both male/female)? I'd like to fabricate a plug n play solution if so.

celica73 08-22-2012 04:02 PM

Tell me more about the speed sensor switch. Just a toggle? Flip it off when you want the car to stop locking you out of the screen (you can't even punch directly to a sat. radio station), then flip it back on when you want it to do a speed signal again.

Does the nav really even need the vss anyway?

Flat Black VW 08-22-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by celica73 (Post 395973)
Tell me more about the speed sensor switch. Just a toggle? Flip it off when you want the car to stop locking you out of the screen (you can't even punch directly to a sat. radio station), then flip it back on when you want it to do a speed signal again.

Does the nav really even need the vss anyway?

Yes just a toggle, works exactly as how you described it.

VSS is meant for when the GPS antennae loses signal, it can tell how fast you are going so the NAV can keep up. The most useful place for this is somewhere like a tunnel where the antennas have no chance of getting signal. I have been expiramenting with running the VSS switched off, Ive been driving around town since I did this yesterday and with no VSS it has yet to lose track of me. That being said I have not been going through any tunnels, near tall buildings or anything else that would block my signal.

sparks 08-23-2012 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 395949)
OK sounds good. Does Radio Shack carry the 16 pin harness (both male/female)? I'd like to fabricate a plug n play solution if so.

You won't find them at RS, SVXdc has found a source and will be selling an inexpensive kit shortly.

Hang in there, I need to iron out a few install details, do some testing on when the head unit sees the camera input (BRZ), then write a good DIY

sparks 08-23-2012 09:22 AM

VW - Were you able to adjust the guide lines?

jpit 08-23-2012 11:26 AM

The BRZ sees the rear camera when the gear shift is in reverse (does not see it when just the ACC is on). The lines are going to be difficult to get rid unless they have some type of software upgrade. For those ordering cameras make sure your camera doesn't add lines also or all those lines will be distracting

Flat Black VW 08-23-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparks (Post 397551)
VW - Were you able to adjust the guide lines?

I was able to get into the setting to adjust the guide lines, however it would not recognize the camera in the settings mode so I could adjust the lines but not see the picture from the camera, just a black screen with the lines. This made it pretty difficult to get perfect and I did not have a lot of time. I'm gonna try and mess with it more after work today, ill take some pictures when I get it right.

Also the settings menu had some other options for the camera that the short manual did not go into detail about so i'm going to have to go through the longer manual and see what it says.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpit (Post 397792)
The BRZ sees the rear camera when the gear shift is in reverse (does not see it when just the ACC is on). The lines are going to be difficult to get rid unless they have some type of software upgrade. For those ordering cameras make sure your camera doesn't add lines also or all those lines will be distracting

Mine does come on when the car is in ACC mode. The only hang up I have right now is the camera only works if I put the car in reverse before the radio finishes booting up. As long as I do this it will continue to work until I turn the car off. If I let the radio boot up before going into reverse it will not recognize the camera at all. I believe this has to do with me getting the cameras power from the reverse lights and when the radio boots up it is not seeing the camera and locking out that option. When I hooked the camera up to a jump box it would work perfect so now I need to take the car apart again and grab power from somewhere else.

sparks 08-23-2012 03:26 PM

There may be power on the trunk bypass switch.

It looks like the switch gives the BIU a ground, so no power.

jpit 08-23-2012 03:51 PM

This is interesting. I have mine hooked up like yours (except didn't ground the grey wire) and I'm using a self-powered small video player with video out capacity (don't have the camera yet). Rear video picture does not come on with the ACC but does immediately come on (with the ignition on) when I put it into reverse whether the radio is booting up or just on. I guess one alternative would be to have the camera powered all the time when the ignition is on. With the hu from my previous car you could turn on the rear view camera at any time but don't see that as an option here.

Flat Black VW 08-23-2012 06:01 PM

I take that back, after just checking again mine does NOT work in ACC. Only in the on position. That is probably why when trying to adjust the lines the screen was black with no video showing.

jpit 08-23-2012 06:06 PM

How did you get into the settings to adjust the lines?

xcelir8brz 08-24-2012 04:28 PM

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