Possible boosted 86/Brz
 

The article claims Toyota has been testing an 86 with their GR Corolla/Yaris engine in it. Promising but it's not concrete it'll happen.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...charged-137338


Don't give me hope...

It they can somehow get it to fit under the low hoodline that would be a hoot.

No doubt they would market it as the pinnacle and expect to pay Yaris GR price if not more.

The weight of that engine, I wonder if it is significantly less than the FA24? Then it could potentially bring the vehicle closer to 50/50 weight f/r although who knows the actual numbers.

The article makes it very clear (if not total bullshit to start with) that this is in no way a production concept.
The total lack of any pictures of this alleged engine swap is sort of telling really.

If the engine can actually fit under the hood then there is hope. I wouldn't expect something like this to be sold to the public ever, considering the assembly is done by Subaru. If crate engines were shipped to produce some special elite model, like the early STI days, it would need to be after discontinuing Supra, considering the package would probably add $10K + to the price tag and for not much more you can get a 4 second car with a 382 HP inline 6.

The early STi days are long gone. Just shipping engines and doing a company sponsored swap is pretty much impossible these days. As soon as the manufacturer does it they need to meet all the regulations they would if they built it that way to start with.
No doubt they could sell kits if offered but it would be way more than $10K by the time they were done with you.
Wouldn't impact the Supra in the least though.

Well, I think it is pretty clear that the pictures in the article are simply stock photos of a regular GR86. I don't doubt Toyota has done this, but the cars they have done it to don't look anything like that. I also believe the article and Toyota that there are no concrete plans to do it in a production model.

Possible - yes. Likely - no.

A couple of one of race cars does not a production car make!
The clickbait sites will have a field day with this and soon it will be said they are headed to dealers and only cost $100 more than the regular production models.

Oh and I almost forgot...

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It could probably fit as-is, and definitely could with a small hood bulge. Yet another functional styling cue!

I think it's promising. I suspect this car was chosen as a test bed not just for the engine/fuels, but for the car+engine as well. It could occupy the same price point as GR Corolla. If it knocked the 2.0 Supra off the menu (I don't see why it would have to) no biggie.

What does the ‘2’ mean?

Until Toyota announces anything I would consider it clickbait.

BMW has multiple M3s with truck beds that they use to haul parts around. This doesn’t mean they’re going to start making a production M3 ute.

Actually, this is old news. From April

https://toyotatimes.jp/en/report/hpe..._2022/001.html

No bulge required. Just an interesting thing.

https://toyotatimes.jp/en/report/upl...nge_2022_2.jpg

Thank You!
That makes far more sense.
The whole "interview" and discussion about possible production is likely bullshit.
As soon as a car site ends in .AU you can pretty much rest assured that the bulk of any article will be fiction.

This, along with 9"W rear tires would be a great combo provided the tranny and chassis handle it without issue, which they most likely do. If it fits without a power bulge, even more so.
Unfortunately that engine probably cost as much as the car to buy in a crate, if it was possible to obtain one other than for warranty replacement.
I experienced driving a 3 cyl turbo car as far back as 1987, when I worked for Toronto's oldest Chevy dealer. That was the Chevy Sprint turbo, made by Suzuki.
That dealership and the little office I had gave me the creeps. In the 90's they demolished the building for development and the remains of a missing woman were discovered in the foundation. Apparently killed by her jealous husband back in 1947 after a night of flirting at the local tavern. Case was never solved, he continued to raise their kids on his own, probably after having murdered their mom.

Why wouldn't they just use a yaris?

Different racing class

I'm not traditionally a turbo fan, but a shift to a small displacement triple makes a whole lot of sense going forwards (regardless of where they're at with synthetic fuels). Emissions regs and the threat of rising fuel prices are going to make inefficient (and heavy) boxers unviable sooner rather than later - a move to a 1.6 turbo fits in perfectly with where ICE vehicles are headed. I've spent time with a GR Yaris, and this combo would make for a seriously compelling package. An agile, FR coupe with a smooth, torquey, efficient engine that's happy to lug around under 2.5k rpm in city traffic - that's a future I could get excited for.

I think the article is bullshit. The only reason to do this would be to compare gasket sealer.

From FB:

https://i.imgur.com/dEjRYsq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1DHgt2I.jpg

Sorry I meant in the click bait write up. As said all they had were some pics they pulled off the internet and that makes me doubt their validity. They couldn’t even go to the trouble of finding these!

Oops I was wrong.

Totally get the skepticism, but to clarify this, they've used pics that were provided to all outlets from the GR86 pre-launch event at Sydney Motorsport Park in May (the car still hasn't launched here). They're not going to be trawling Facebook to then publish images that they don't have the rights to.

The article is written in a manner that implies those are the car.

I am not doubting the engine or race team but their supposed interview that indicates there is "hope" it will be a production car. Especially since this was breaking news 5 months ago but nobody ran with it then.

Still waiting for the even more farfetched "we have heard that..." from the other clickbaits.

Sure, but they're a general car website - they get info that's interesting/ publishable regarding the GR86, then add a thumbnail from the most recent pics they have on file (from the event they attended.) I think it's a bit of a long bow to suggest they're randomly posting pics off the internet and deliberately trying to mislead people with them. Engine articles need a pic - just like "new model" articles often include a pic of the current model.

I also doubt that the direct quotes from Sakamoto are fictionalised despite the desire for clicks.

When asked if the turbocharged engine found in the GR Corolla could slot into the GR 86, Toyota Gazoo Racing’s chief engineer Naoyuki Sakamoto said: "Yes, we are thinking for the future about the possibility of using it, but there are no concrete plans at the moment."

Maybe we should have a chat to John :)

With (or maybe even without) subframe modification it shouldn't be an issue. Many folks are stuffing K24s into their 86s these days and they all somehow fit.

For sure they don't have the 4" clearance between the top of the engine and the hood as required in many large markets for pedestrian safety.
As a workaround, for example the MX-5 has pyrotechnic cartridges to cause the hood to pop up at the cowl in the event of a detected impending frontal contact at speed.

Regards to those pictures above, I can tell just by looking that those guys are performing a cricket inspection.

Toyota & Subaru have tested turbo engine in 86 before... it goes all the way back to GT86. They even used 1.5 turbo boxer engine all the way to V6 before. With that said, snail equipped in GR86 coming? I wouldn't say 100% not a chance, but at least not for very long time. At least not from Subaru side (Political BS).

As for Yaris engine into GR86, it's different branch/department of Z (Toyota Sports Engineering) from 86 project. They're also testing different things... just using GR86 as a chassis. You can see from that swapped GR86 hood is cut inside to keep it fit. By safety, it won't pass. Can't see it, but tunnel had to be heavily cut and welded to fit. If you can find the inside photo, you can see it.

Right now, Toyota is developing something... which I'm interested in... very interested in. Is that involve GR86? No. Is that involve Yaris/GRC engine? Kinda, but not really.

That's all I can say atm

Intriguing, but probably nothing more.

And man oh man I hate those stupid crash regs. Sports car with low hood isn't safe. But that Suburban over there, fear not, that's safe.

ichi you always know when to keep us guessing lol!

Toyota is really killing the sports car game right now! So happy to see so much focus on bringing fun and performance back to cars! This really is the new golden era!!

I wonder if it might have something to do with that rumoured MR2... :-)

Im just glad the car is safe from covid.

:popcorn:

So it begins again, for like the hundredth time.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...orolla-engine/

R&T says that "Toyota confirmed to Road & Track it has built a small batch of GR86s powered by its G16E-GTS engine, the turbocharged 1.6-liter inline-three that powers the GR Yaris and GR Corolla. The cars, assembled by the company's Gazoo Racing division, aren't being used as production prototypes."

But, R&T's reporting is odd. I'm assuming Toyota confirmed the first part to R&T, but I'm not sure about anything after that. The last paragraph R&T quotes CarSales: "'Not all hope is lost. When asked by CarSales whether this engine could make it to production, Gazoo Racing chief engineer Naoyuki Sakamoto said: “Yes, we are thinking for the future about the possibility of using it, but there are no concrete plans at the moment.'"

So I don't know if Toyota confirmed to R&T that they are "thinking for the future about the possibility of using it, but there are no concrete plans at the moment.'" according Naoyuki Sakamoto.

That last part could easily have been an engineer offhandedly making what he thinks is a benign comment because those discussions have taken place, even if it is over drinks at a bar.

For now, it sounds like Toyota can confirm that it fits and and presumable is drivable. However, it doesn't sound like they have actually tested it in a production car for the purpose of developing a road version. Is the transmission durable enough over 100,000 mi. to handle 270~300 hp reliably? Probably a lot would need to change to the point that it would cost $45K. At that point, well... the Supra...

Anything to be rid of garbage Subaru motors.

A simple Google search gave me this...
Per Wikipedia
G16
A de-stroked variation of the G16E-GTS engine with a displacement of 1.4 L (85.4 cu in), which is compatible with synthetic fuel, is used by the GR86 for the 2022 Super Taikyu series. The stroke has been reduced from 89.7 mm (3.531 in) to 77 mm (3.031 in).

Now that the car's been on sale for most of a year I think some of the arguments we heard against a turbo version have evaporated:
Toyota can see they have a hit on their hands because it sells every car as soon as it arrives at a dealer so it can be more than a low volume model.
People ARE willing to spend the supposed $10k more that a turbo would cost because they're spending that just for dealer markup.
Stealing sales from the Supra 2.0 is a non-issue because no one's buying that car anyway. It's a dud while the GR86 is a hit. You focus on your winners, not worrying about saving sales of a non-seller that you have to buy from BMW before you can even sell it.
While a year and a half ago I thought there was basically no chance of seeing a turbo model, now I think there's a decent chance.

There is still zero chance. You are trying to rationalize a business case that just isn't there. They sold every car that hit the lots for the first 3 years of the first gen and there is no turbo.
As they said this is a one race series engine to trial different fuels. Reading more into that is just a pipe dream.
This whole "Saving sales for Supra" is another piece of fiction that get's bantered around by people that think they know better than Toyota. The Supra has sold just fine with everything made sold and if they wanted a turbo 86 they would just build it.

If they weren't so focused on running engines straight up and down, there would be plenty of room under the hood, or the boot lid for that matter.
Put them on a slant like the Chrysler 6. Was a solid performer and still is.
Since we're spending other peoples' money, make it a dry sump and cut another 9 inches off the bottom.

They even had a supercharged 4x4 unit on it's side in the Previa for years.

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