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Stonehorsw 08-03-2022 03:31 PM

Car feeling gutless
 
Hi,
Car is with 4900 miles, oil changed at ~1300 miles.

Background: This week the car started feeling gutless, specially on low rpm. Less power than my 18 Brz, not able to break traction even in turns.

Did not hear any knocking event or any type of other engine noise that would call my attention.

What I am suspecting: bad fuel quality (filled with 93 from Kroeger this time)

Question: How do I diagnose if this is related to the fuel? Any other had similar reduction of power/torque?

Thatllbuffout 08-03-2022 03:55 PM

Check your air filter, make sure you don't have a rat nest or something in there. Check your tail pipes, make sure someone didn't stuff a potato in there haha. Without a CEL or a Dyno it's hard to prove it's really down on power.

If the car is driving fine outside of feeling down on power I'd just keep going until half a tank and then fill up with a quality 93. I'd avoid hard driving until then. Ive experienced less than stellar gas at those discount stations.

Stonehorsw 08-03-2022 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Thatllbuffout (Post 3539164)
Check your air filter, make sure you don't have a rat nest or something in there. Check your tail pipes, make sure someone didn't stuff a potato in there haha. Without a CEL or a Dyno it's hard to prove it's really down on power.

If the car is driving fine outside of feeling down on power I'd just keep going until half a tank and then fill up with a quality 93. I'd avoid hard driving until then. Ive experienced less than stellar gas at those discount stations.

Potato on the tailpipe tells your age

Decep 08-03-2022 05:09 PM

Probably crappy gas as well as the stock tune pulling timing if its hot where you live

Ultramaroon 08-03-2022 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonehorsw (Post 3539166)
Potato on the tailpipe tells your age

Close but no *cough* banana. :D

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OkieSnuffBox 08-03-2022 05:44 PM

RTV in the oil pickup.

Tcoat 08-03-2022 06:09 PM

Take car to dealer. Tell them issues.
Burn off gas refill from different station.

Ultramaroon 08-03-2022 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3539202)
RTV in the oil pickup.

:slap: stahp

Lantanafrs2 08-03-2022 07:00 PM

Release ebrake

Thatllbuffout 08-03-2022 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonehorsw (Post 3539166)
Potato on the tailpipe tells your age

Or maybe I'm younger and think 80/90s movies were the best....


Sigh...No, you're right, I'm old. :thumbup:

soundman98 08-03-2022 11:29 PM

move the bunched up floor mat from behind the gas pedal!

mr.whiskers 08-04-2022 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonehorsw (Post 3539151)
Hi,
Question: How do I diagnose if this is related to the fuel? Any other had similar reduction of power/torque?

Drive through the fuel you have and fuel up at a different gas station?

Stonehorsw 08-04-2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mr.whiskers (Post 3539318)
Drive through the fuel you have and fuel up at a different gas station?

This is not diagnosing, it is guessing. And will be done, as when I drive, fuel goes down
:)

spcmafia 08-04-2022 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonehorsw (Post 3539323)
This is not diagnosing, it is guessing. And will be done, as when I drive, fuel goes down
:)


Another aspect to look at is the high temperatures and humidity around your area. But best thing to do at this point is to run all the gas and refill from a gas station that would offer a sort of cleaning additive in the 93 mix, like Mobil or Shell.

mr.whiskers 08-04-2022 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonehorsw (Post 3539323)
This is not diagnosing, it is guessing. And will be done, as when I drive, fuel goes down
:)

Record a 0-60 acceleration time then do it with a new tank of gas

Stonehorsw 08-04-2022 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spcmafia (Post 3539330)
Another aspect to look at is the high temperatures and humidity around your area. But best thing to do at this point is to run all the gas and refill from a gas station that would offer a sort of cleaning additive in the 93 mix, like Mobil or Shell.

Thanks! Will do that!

NoHaveMSG 08-04-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonehorsw (Post 3539151)
Hi,
Car is with 4900 miles, oil changed at ~1300 miles.

Background: This week the car started feeling gutless, specially on low rpm. Less power than my 18 Brz, not able to break traction even in turns.

Did not hear any knocking event or any type of other engine noise that would call my attention.

What I am suspecting: bad fuel quality (filled with 93 from Kroeger this time)

Question: How do I diagnose if this is related to the fuel? Any other had similar reduction of power/torque?

I have had this happen on my 13' multiple times since you can't pump your own gas in OR, they put 87 in. You can see it if you have a way to look at your IAM in real time, I use my OFT to check, usually drops IAM down to .4ish, so only giving you 40%(all other factors removed) of your base timing. Seriously feels like you are down 20+whp, throttle response sluggish.

Xed32 08-04-2022 02:44 PM

I keep a shot or two of "Boostane Shot" in by glove box for these situations. Not all our 94 is actually 94 here.

Stonehorsw 08-04-2022 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.whiskers (Post 3539336)
Record a 0-60 acceleration time then do it with a new tank of gas

That is a good point. Won’t do a baseline with the bad fuel to avoid engine damage.

Is there anyway to do atmospheric corrections to correlate later?

Stonehorsw 08-04-2022 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3539383)
I have had this happen on my 13' multiple times since you can't pump your own gas in OR, they put 87 in. You can see it if you have a way to look at your IAM in real time, I use my OFT to check, usually drops IAM down to .4ish, so only giving you 40%(all other factors removed) of your base timing. Seriously feels like you are down 20+whp, throttle response sluggish.

I did not check yet, but I still have my OFT. Do you think that would read on Gen2?

Also, I have a bluedriver, that may work too.

I will plug and check, thanks!!!

Ultramaroon 08-04-2022 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonehorsw (Post 3539420)
That is a good point. Won’t do a baseline with the bad fuel to avoid engine damage.

Is there anyway to do atmospheric corrections to correlate later?

You aren't going to hurt anything. That's the whole point of the ECU logic. If it's bad gas, engine is gutless because it's pulling timing to avoid damage. If it was something else, damage would already have happened.


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