Originally Posted by dynarun55 (Post 3524575)

I had the same question.. Looking for a JDL uel
catted header personally.

Also... anyone order stuff from 86worx.com ??


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Originally Posted by dynarun55 (Post 3524580)

Same same man :(

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524585)

because everyone is dealing with the same shipping delays, or they're all sourcing from vendors who are experiencing delays with raw materials, or they're all just ordering from overseas and no one realizes it.

pick any/all of the above.

like if you wanted Tomei headers or Gruppe-S, they're all out of the same place and subject to overseas delays.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524586)

So why is JDL not selling UEL headers anymore? Even ace is out of stock on everything.


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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524587)

See my above comment.

keep in mind that even Ace headers (made in Taiwan) is sourcing piping from someone somewhere...

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524588)

This is lame. I couldn’t even get an OEM radiator and was forced to get a Mishimoto because all OEM Subaru radiators were out of stock in the country.


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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3524590)

You do know that the world has been like this for 2 years now right?

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524591)

They had headers in stock the end of last year.


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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3524592)

So? Stainless is hard to get and most grades have almost doubled in cost over the last year alone. I have open orders with vendors that are a year old and lead times on new orders upwards of 73 weeks out.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524593)

So what do you recommend?


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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3524594)

Buy used, keep waiting, or actually call and ask them what their lead times are. I dunno about JDL but most of the manufacturers I deal with are 2-3 times normal lead time and market demand is currently higher then normal.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524595)

I guess I’ll call JDL Monday. I’m stil unsure why they only have EL headers for sale instead of UEL especially since they’re made to order. Also their turbo kit is UEL so it doesn’t make sense.


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Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524588)

This is lame. I couldn’t even get an OEM radiator and was forced to get a Mishimoto because all OEM Subaru radiators were out of stock in the country.


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Originally Posted by dynarun55 (Post 3524596)

Please let us know what you find !!

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Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS (Post 3524597)

How are you determining OEM radiators are out of stock across the country? This site shows they are available.

https://www.subarupartsdeal.com/part...5111ca000.html

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524591)

They had headers in stock the end of last year.

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3524592)

So? Stainless is hard to get and most grades have almost doubled in cost over the last year alone. I have open orders with vendors that are a year old and lead times on new orders upwards of 73 weeks out.

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524600)

End of last year means they were imported Q2 into Q3, which means in the middle of 2021 the shipping rates were high but not absurd.

Spot rates for a 20' container was anywhere from $15-30k in Q1 of this year, depending on what port it sailed from. That is about double from last summer and 4x what it was normally.



And the reason for this is because many importers have a fixed cost structure that could not account for sudden changes in pricing and are sort of waiting it out, otherwise they will lose a lot of money.

Or they're waiting it out to "raise" MSRP and also have customers cancel orders at old prices.

Coupled with the fact that the JPY plunged in value over the last 90 days and it's just making some vendors hurt more.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524601)

If I would have known

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524600)

End of last year means they were imported Q2 into Q3, which means in the middle of 2021 the shipping rates were high but not absurd.

Spot rates for a 20' container was anywhere from $15-30k in Q1 of this year, depending on what port it sailed from. That is about double from last summer and 4x what it was normally.



And the reason for this is because many importers have a fixed cost structure that could not account for sudden changes in pricing and are sort of waiting it out, otherwise they will lose a lot of money.

Or they're waiting it out to "raise" MSRP and also have customers cancel orders at old prices.

Coupled with the fact that the JPY plunged in value over the last 90 days and it's just making some vendors hurt more.

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3524605)

I’m on the loose a lot of money end since we have to honor sales agreements already signed. At least shipping is coming back down. I’m getting rates of 11-14k for full 40’s now less taxes and duties depending on weight and port of loading.

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3524605)

I’m on the loose a lot of money end since we have to honor sales agreements already signed. At least shipping is coming back down. I’m getting rates of 11-14k for full 40’s now less taxes and duties depending on weight and port of loading.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524607)

That sounds expensive.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524607)

That sounds expensive.


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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3524611)

That’s down 5k from 6-8 weeks ago but still almost double 2019 numbers.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524613)

So our government has fucked all portions of the market not just food, gas, and housing?

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524614)

keep thinking this is a government created problem.

I also have a bridge to sell you.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524615)

I don’t need a bridge I need headers. And if you can’t see our government has a control on the market then that’s an issue.

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524610)

Yeah the China lockdown has really made rates sink. Hopefully when my stuff needs to be moved in 2-3 weeks the rates will be $10k, back to double my initial estimate...

could be worse. A friend lost $40M overnight when Trump announced tariffs from China in 2017/18 because she had 40+ 40' of raw material already inbound on the ocean.

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524616)

I'm not going to get into a debate about how the shipping industry works, but most of the current problems actually have very little to do with the US government.

Consider this: the ports of Long Beach/Los Angeles have had RECORD number of containers pass through in the first months of this year.

The prices are sky high for container rates.

What part of this is controlled by the government?

If you can't figure out the answer here then it will take several hours to type out a proper response to answer your previous post, time I don't have... plenty of resources online can tell you why shipping rates are so high.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524619)

You just said when trump set tariffs on China your friend lost a lot of money. Our government controls a vast majority of the global economy. But regardless hopefully we see a change soon because I need some damn headers.

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3524620)

I think you're confusing the two things.

Spot rates are for containers that are booked as needed, those are sky high but slightly lower now vs earlier this year.

Tariffs are part of duties levied by CBP. I only mentioned it as a reference to a "could be worse" scenario for landed cost for goods...

but yes, keep thinking that this is somehow all under the control of the US government and it can all go away tomorrow... if that was the case, then it is not capitalism that we are enjoying, it's authoritarianism we are living under since the beginning of time.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524621)

But it is authoritarianism. Our government is ran by the rich. Not by our government. Come on bro you should know better by now. We’ve seen it too many times.


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Originally Posted by Howaitoguru (Post 3524579)

My exhaust manifold is failing

Originally Posted by mike2100 (Post 3524634)

This is a thing?

Originally Posted by mike2100 (Post 3524634)

This is a thing?