Really, which is faster AT vs MT?
 

In this second gen the horsepower is the same in the MT vs AT. I saw a video where a couple guys were racing on the freeway. It seemed like the automatic had the edge.

Are there any numbers or dater that suggest otherwise?

Getting this car with an automatic is a capital offense.

Really, which is faster AT vs MT?
 

If you’re asking that question you probably won’t enjoy this car in either configuration. Look into a Mustang/370Z.

Edit: nevermind, looks like you have a 2020 already lol. Manual should still have the edge because of better gearing, but I don’t think any of us are bothered enough to find out.

This is correct

MT

depends on usage.
in the curves, with many and varied RPM's? it's not called 'autotragic' for nothing. 'wrong gear, pullin' up tha rear'

on the quarter mile? manual shift 'speed' is going to be directly related more to the inept human operating the controls. could be faster, could be slower.

but if any of that is important to you, this car won't be. get a mustang or a focus rs.

Doing rolls against other slow friends, my auto seems to fair well because of quick enough auto. I am now transitioning to 2nd gen manual because I miss the manual shifting.
Tldr depends on what you’re doing but if you’re going to pinch pennies mt vs at for speed then maybe you wouldn’t ultimately enjoy the car like others said.

So I’m 50. And my 2020 86 was my first sports car ever. I did have a 72 Charger when I turned 16 but that was a boat and not a sports car. I loved my 2020 86. It was an automatic but I had no choice as it was a left over sitting on the lot for 2 years. So I really didn’t know any better. I have a premium MT that should be here before the end of the month. I may or may not track it. I work from home so really don’t need to worry about traffic too much. I learned on a stick shift so I’m not concerned about that. I like to go fast and kick the backend of the car out every chance I get. Lol.

The last couple days have been second guessing my choice for a MT. I feel like it’s a side effect of waiting for the dang thing to come in. If it wasn’t a waiting game I probably wouldn’t be second guessing myself as I would have the car by now and having a good time with it.

You will not regret your choice. Hang in here once it's here you have your whole life to enjoy it. In the off chance you hate it you can sell it in 5 minutes.

In defense of the automatic (which I bought... on purpose), it is a really good autobox. In anything but the ultra-tall first gear, the auto will be as fast or faster unless you are the reincarnation of Aryton Senna.

Mustangs are faster.....

Most auto mags etc. that have tested both place the auto about a second slower than the manual. The auto’s good, but it’s not faster than the manual.

Depends on who is driving it.

Calm down dude. We all agree the it’s great to get a manual, but you don’t have to get all worked up for some of us that buy autos. You don’t know their training and it’s kinda unfair to put anyone down for wanting an auto.

I’ve owned gen1 manual and auto, and I’m as fast at Autobahn North as the fastest time posted on your link for best track times. (And that was a heavily modified car, similar to mine).

Point is, no need to be so brazen. Plenty of reasons to buy a manual, and plenty to buy an auto.

People who defend buying this car with auto transmissions are the worst. They don't even have the courage to stand up for what's right.

I don't think he was quite as serious as you took it..

I think both AT and MT has the same engine tune (at least for 1st gen pre 2017). So if you just drag race them, which one is faster really depends on the gearing ratio and shifting speed. So there won't be a definite answer.

On the race track pushing for lap times, MT is likely to have lower lap time with a pro driver due to better gearing ratio and no overheating which happens a lot on AT 86s. Unlike some other performance car with AT transmission, like A90 Supra. The AT on 86 twins are not particularly fast in shifting and the ratio is more tuned for fuel economy, which does not always put engine in its most powerful band.

But still, I feel you are worrying about the drag race results between a MT and AT 86, you are buying the wrong car. There are some other similar priced cars which are more suitable for these tasks.

The 5 HP difference with the first gen was nothing, it was all gearing..I had both with first gen, automatic was definitely slower. 2nd gen supposedly uses pretty much same ratios between MT and AT. So yes if MT driver is slow at downshifting, the new AT GR86 could definitely beat a MT GR86. But if they are racing off the line you would have to be pretty bad at shifting to lose to the AT being that it is heavier and shifting speeds aren't incredibly fast.

The 5hp was at the crank, So nothing to do with the type of transmission or its ratios.

There was a Japanese video put up in a thread somewhere here where they drag raced a gr86 against several cars, including MT vs AT. The mt had a little edge, but a tenth here and there, what does it even matter. For me the manual shifting of these cars is part of the reason i have it, but others might habe other préférences, so chose whatever you want, just try it first :)

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This is correct, the AT in the twins is slower than the MT. It’s a slushbox, not a dedicated performance box like a DCT or even the amazing ZF 8sp, plus the AT gearing is designed for economy rather than acceleration. Toyobaru just aren’t that concerned with trying to make the AT quick, so unlike most sports cars these days, the twins are one of those rare cases where the MT is still quicker than the AT.

I did enjoy that one Japanese Youtube video where their AT BRZ was dominating everything. They should have rolled with it and continued on with faked wins against increasingly absurd competition. Like in the movie Unbreakable when they kept adding weight and he just kept being able to lift it.

Took me a min to find the video
https://youtu.be/xQdRSLU5YXc

Feels like we're going full circle, back to the MT/AT comparisons on a new gen. What's next, Supercharger and Turbo comparisons?

Sounds fun. You start. I'll pick the other. Go!

Turbo is better because it goes STUTUTUTUTU.

Turbo lag sucks. Supercharger whine sounds better too. Ok. That was fun.

/thread

huh I know...wasn't what I was saying yo..people in this thread were talking about how the new gen has the same HP with either MT or AT and that the old AT was slower and so I was merely reiterating that the 5 HP difference from first gen was meaningless, the main difference/advantage was the gearing..

Dude, don't you tell me to calm down. These people who drive automatic twins are abominations to God. They are heartless heathens who should be put down like rabid dogs.

Okay:thumbsup:

The auto’s good, but it’s not faster than the manual.[/QUOTE]

In shifting it is unless your too fast, too furious.

You misspelled iconoclast.

That too.

Depends who you ask. A grandma would say the Auto is quicker then the Manual. Her hips grinding while shifting gears won’t help.

the automatic is pretty bad.

After you've driven a DCT transmission it absolutely shits on every other automatic. thats the only type of automatic thats acceptable

Yes this particular auto slush box is 2000s tech. The only acceptable slush box is the Zf8.

that's because she's granny shifting, and not double clutching like she should've.

My Granny loved to shift. She had a Rambler Scrambler.

In the first gen, the manual was like a second faster to sixty. The second gen will likely be the same. Gearing is less aggressive. Fifth gear in the auto is longer than sixth gear in the manual, and the auto has another gear.

https://i.imgur.com/O1611eq.jpg

The second gen is probably the same. The auto will be faster when two novice driver's are racing. The auto will be faster around town with anyone who is driving reasonably; it is far easier to drive aggressively in an auto than in a manual without shifting ridiculous like you're this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8vImD6FoXM