Let's talk about those turn signals?
 

A lot of people have already complained about the BRZ/86 getting a "BMW style" turn signal lever. I had a chance to play with the signal lever myself (thanks @Veloist!!!), and can report that it's not a problem at all.

My girlfriend figured out how to use it in less than a minute without reading any manuals, or any tips from me.
That includes "enable it fully", "one touch three times blink" and "cancel previous enable".

The new turn signal level has a nice premium-ish feel to it during operation, in contrast to the cheap crunchy feel of the one in 2013–2020 cars.

This is why I always laugh at journalists. Sure, it's annoying for 1 day. Then you get used to it and it's a non-issue.

Here's an excerpt from the Owner's manual describing how to operate it:

https://i.imgur.com/P3ZVdhR.png

Personally I don't think I'll use the "slightly press and hold to signal a lane change" thing, but I've alerady used the "one touch blink three times" gesture many times on other cars.

If a journalist can't figure out how to use this turn signal lever in 5 minutes,
I doubt their ability to adequately review any of the more complicated topics...

I used to review cars and some of them were actually knowledgeable when it comes to mechanical workings and electrical... most... were not.

Aside from the fact BMW has been doing this since at least the mid-80s, many newer cars have the same feature as well.

Not sure how it's annoying, I think it's fantastic.

That said, for safety's sake it might be argued that some controls should function the same regardless of vehicle brand; I've read of the disconcerting "brake button" on old Citroens, although I've never tried one. Imaging if steering wheels functioned differently between brands, especially if one owns several different brands of cars?

My Boxster's turn signals are somewhat goofy, particularly in lane changes, so I guess I'll adapt to this too. It's the Porsche parking brake that I cannot stand.

BMWs have turn signals?

The turn signals on my BMW are stupid bright. I joke that BMW got tired of the stereotypes and put the brightest LEDs they could in there to make sure people notice when they’re on.

I think the real point is that all Subarus should function the same. When I get into my Legacy or Forester now I will have to think differently. It really is kind of stupid for them to change on just one of their cars.

And truly all cars should generally function the same. Muscle memory doesn't allow for us to change things depending on the car we are driving that day.

All BMWs are equipped with em, but most drivers opt out of using it as other drivers around are supposed to just move out of their way.

The turn signals arent as annoying as the wiper controls being functionally opposite lol.

In the 86 its up for mist, down for activation (one click down for delay, 2 clicks down for regular wipe, 3 for fast wipe). Its been like this on every car i had (Corolla XRS, Honda Fit, wifes Nissan versa at the time she owned one)

In our X1, its the complete opposite....down for mist, up once for regular wipe, up twice for fast wipe. Theres no delay, but an auto button at the end for rain sensing. I dont really like it since sometimes it doesnt actually detect anything until the entire windshield is covered in droplets......kind of defeating the purpose since it forces me to just switch on the regular wipe.

Oh, great point.
I remember how annoying it was to re-learn when I rented a Mustang in Hawaii (briefly rained every day!). It's opposite on the Mustang vs Mazda 6 I had at the time.

Similar problems with cruise control buttons: Mustang has it on the left, Mazda 6 has it on the right...
One could argue that the placement of the cruise control "CANCEL, OR I'M GOING TO CRASH" button should also be standard.
I know that CC gets cancelled if you press the brake pedal yourself, but some people in a panic situation might not remember that.

Toyota must be onto something with their cruise control stalk being in the bottom right spoke of the steering wheel (and has been the exact same thing, in the exact same location and functioned exactly the same for ages). And has been used in every toyota and Lexus product in existence until these recent generation of cars where they started moving the CC to its own steering wheel buttons like every carmaker out there.

that is KISS philosophy at work right there.

That and the digital clock with the m and h buttons.

Anecdotally, the first time I used this CC stalk design it was in a Porsche.

Gone in the 2022.

Mine was in a 1992 Subaru.

And speaking of "backwards", when my wife drives the Boxster, there's the issue of finding the "LeMans" ignition switch... on the left.

I'm going to miss my digital clock.

Retrofit it!

I love that cruise. Instant response for up and down.
The clock is just funny with it’s 1992 Dollar Store look.

Theres also the gated shifter, or shifter fonts in the AT cars and a whole whack of switchgear lol.

Everyone complains about silly things like that but dammit they just work!

Doesn't matter how bright they are if they never get used.

*says the guy who has owned 4 BMWs.

Steering that changes feel depending on speed is horrible IMO.
Push a sport button and the same car feels completely different.

I drove a Fiat 124 when I was young.
The window crank rotates the opposite direction from all other cars.
You have any idea how many times I've broken the cable and had to replace it?

Fords and other cars have had this feature for a long time.


For the 1st gen, you could add this with a tap-turn module. I use it all the time for lane change

So many cars and suv's have the same type of turn signals. It's not a big deal at all.

Have you tried steering that changes ratio based on speed? Like BMW’s active steering? IF it’s well tuned it can be fantastic and feel really natural. It’s one of those things that you don’t really notice until you’re looking for it or someone points it out.

I think you're misunderstanding. The turn signal stalk in the new car has no detents. It will return to center immediately no matter how far you push it.

Let's talk about those turn signals?
 

You can still feel the ‘click’, past which you activate the turn signal, the stalk just returns to neutral afterwards. The ‘click’ is a decent way before the end of travel. To cancel you push the lever in either direction without going past the ‘click’. That’s what most people get wrong.

Bumping the stalk without going past the ‘click’ is also the way the 1-touch triple blink works.

I agree. Fixing problems that don’t exist. Never thought about cheapness in a turn signal. My wife’s IS300 is annoying as hell.

*Life is so good for middle and upper-middle class society, they will literally complain about fucking turn signals.

You might be surprised at what those of us in the top 1% complain about.;)

Super subtle flex bro, super subtle.

Break your arm patting yourself on the back.

Wealth envy?

It's not how much you have. It's how you use it. Or is that size.

Ah didn't read that detail closely. Just saw the different modes

Wealth envy in a cheap sports car forum? Probably not.

Thinking your a massive wanker for flexing that you are part of the 1% (worth > 12m in assets). Probably so.

I drove it the other day and didn't notice anything to complain about. They were pretty easy to operate. There is no satisfying "click" but you hit a point of resistance that is plenty enough.

Nope. I'm plenty happy with my financial status. Would I like to make more? Sure, everyone would.

Who cares how much money someone has, how they discuss it, or if they put it in your face?

If anyone wants wealth, either go back in time and try really, really hard in school, or start today by working 100 hours a week either trying to start a business or getting an education in a field that is actually in demand. Then spend the next 10 years working 100 hours a week to become an expert in that thing or growing the business. Anyone in that position should be earning a decent amount money. But none of us are going to do that. We exist in a lower social economic class. Yes, we want more money, but it really won't solve 90% of the issues we have.

Also, yes, some rich people are hilarious when it comes to money. They will bitch for months that the lawn care company started charging $10s more to mow the grass around their $1 million mansion.

As for the turn stalk... It is more a question of how much they save in switching to a less complex part. If it is a $1 per car, and they install it in every car, that is still potentially millions in savings across the entire Subaru lineup over the entire generation of those vehicles. Every little bit helps, especially for the 86 platform that I'm still shocked got a second generation. I was 51% sure they were going to just cancel the entire thing at some point.

Yeah, don't care for the stalk if its just a minor adaptation to get used to it. This is likely the last gen of the twins we'll ever get to see before it becomes an EV or hybrid or something not gasoline driven anymore. Super happy we got a second gen!

I don't understand why this is such a huge issue for some people. You can get used to different clutches that every car has but you can't operate a switch after 5 minutes of using it?