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Hey all, just got off the phone with my local Toyota dealer. They said no 86s have been produced, and won't be produced until the launch of the new Tundra and the Cross. Then it will be the 86, followed by the Crown. The rep estimates a February-March delivery time frame. Has anyone else heard the same range from other reps/sources? :bonk:

Odd that they would say it would be dependent upon the manufacturing of other Toyota vehicles considering it’s manufactured by Subaru.

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Yea that’s weird. Unless they’re literally waiting on microcontrollers that are shared between those cars I find that hard to believe. They would have to be Toyota sourced parts AND Subaru would have to have its own source for the same part considering they ARE building BRZs.

This sounds like typical dealer BS. They don't know anything but they pretend to. I've talked to a ton of dealers, and none of them really know anything about timelines. It's not in their system to order yet, and they know as much as the public. I highly doubt that production is waiting for other Toyota vehicles. The Tundra is made in Texas, the Corolla Cross in Alabama (at least for the US market). The 86 is made in Japan by Subaru on at the same plant as the BRZ.

He’s lying. The Tundra is made in Texas and the Corolla Cross is in Alabama. That’s not even considering the fact the GR86 is made entirely of Subaru designed chips. So the shortage wouldn’t affect the car directly like that.

Lastly as others said, it’s built in a Japanese Subaru factory.

Its a potential delay to mid year release in Australia according to rumours - but I'd still expect the US to come earlier.

There is an 'announcement' they said they will make around in q4, bot sure what the announcement is for, probably the release date.

My cars.com query shows four 2022 Subaru BRZ Limiteds allegedly available in the USA. I sent an inquiry to the dealership in Utah and got this response.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ac1ea3fc45.jpg

Yea I had already taken things with a grain of salt, since I'm not really aware of how production works for these cars. It does feel like there would be more word from Toyota if they were being made at the same time as the BRZs, so I wouldn't totally discount there being no/extremely few GR86s produced.

...and why would he bring up the Crown...? we ain't in china or japan

the Crown is replacing the Avalon


but, the dealer the OP spoke to is incorrect. GR86 production is not impacted by the other lines.

Are you actually trying to find one or are you waiting for a Toyota? If you want a Subaru, PM me and I'll see if I can help you hunt one down closer than Utah.

I'm up in the air on brand. But I think I would prefer the Toyota.
More Intel gathering than anything. Thanks!

Oh and Utah... Why not? Big chunk of break-in!

Well if you want one sooner, I can try to help ya out. And I hear ya on the break in miles. I'm taking mine all the way down to SFO for an autocross the weekend after I get it haha.

Feels like the trick, and the main reason I'm going for Toyota, is Subaru dealers are slapping on fat charges to go past MSRP as much as possible

Have a real hard time believing that. Toyota and Lexus sedans sales have dipped by a good amount in the US. Not sure how a Crown would fit in between V6 Camry/IS 300/ES 350.

As a matter of principle, I refuse to pay over MSRP. Fortunately, if that's the case, I can wait them out until things settle down.

I hope Toyota doesn't realize how much people are waiting for these and decides to make the MSRP higher due to that fact. If people are paying over MSRP for the BRZ then we should just charge them more for the 86 to begin with. They could then retain more of the money instead of the dealers keeping the extra cash.

The 2022 Avalon is alive and well. Don't spread misinformation.
www.toyota.com/avalon

I doubt the dealer has any real information. My guess is that Subaru and Toyota decided to focus on the BRZ first because of production bottlenecks rather than building fewer numbers of both models from the start. However, Toyota should at least provide an update to potential customers who are waiting.

I don't think the Avalon will be replaced after 2022.

This is what has me the most pissed-off.

Toyota has all the options nailed down - they know what they're going to offer in terms of color options, wheels, etc. But they haven't updated their website to give any impression that they intend to actually release the 2022 GR86 any time soon. It's still under "Upcoming Vehicles", and it takes you to a page full of promise and very little information.

Oh, but if you'd like to have Toyota send you updates, you can sign up for their mailing list...

... which will do absolutely nothing because Toyota doesn't actually send you any email about the car, ever.

They don't talk to their dealers. They don't talk to their customers.

Most of the US is putting away their sports cars for the winter months and Toyota can't even venture a guess (or, more likely, hasn't even considered that anyone but their corporate staff cares to know the answer) as to when they might actually start sending cars to dealerships.

My local Subaru dealership has said that I can't test drive the BRZ - they simply will not have anything to test drive for many, many months. Every single car they might get is pre-sold for the foreseeable future. Toyota dealerships within 1000 miles of me either have no information or just lie to me outright. They frequently offer to let me put down a deposit on the "next GR86 they get" which to me just seems monumentally stupid. It's not a vending machine. I'm not going to stick $30k+ in, turn the knob, and see what I end up with.

Buying a car I can't even test drive? That's some crazy shit.

But Toyota not even making an effort to make customers feel like they care at all about keeping us informed? That's infuriating.

They'll practically send Dog the Bounty Hunter to your door if you don't get airbag recall work done within a month of being notified about it, but this is just deafening silence.

I think this is very true. Even their own people don’t know anything.

I was at FD Irwindale and saw the new twin for the very first time (did not disappoint!). Anyways, the normal product specialist and the GR specific dude were asking about my BRZ order and what the timeline was for delivery for quite a while. They also said I couldn’t look inside of the car because it was a prototype (I saw no VIN). He also kept saying that nothing in/on the car had been finalized.

But I was thinking to myself how dumb both things were. Like it’s identical to the Subie besides very minor things and those cars have been on the market since September in Japan and now they are going to appear in the US. It’s crazy how little even the internal people.

Toyota just needs to be upfront, good or bad. Sure, if they came out and said production is delayed until January, some people would be disappointed. But at least they'd know what to expect.

Exactly. Tell me I can't take delivery until April. I'm unhappy, but at least I have an answer. I can plan.

Maybe you surprise people and they start arriving 2-3 months early - no one can really complain about that (though someone, somewhere probably would anyway.)

Do a pre-order deposit system with some fine print language that if you (Toyota) fails to deliver a certain amount of production cars by a certain date you'll fully refund the deposit if requested. Then take orders down to the finest detail on what customers want and hey - there's a simple production schedule once you DO get your cars going through Subaru's production line.

Hype it up rather than deafening silence. Imagine how many people on this board would be checking every day or so to see if the person with car #3244 in the waiting list has been updated on their vehicle. "I'm #3872, and he just got notified his chassis got welded so if I do some math based on when #2893 got the chassis weld done..."

The community would celebrate every milestone, every delivery, instead of getting progressively more frustrated and asking the question Toyota should dread: "What else could I spend my money on since I don't know when/if I'll be able to buy the GR86?"

I mean, this is so basic, such simple marketing, and I (who hates marketing) can think this through... why the hell isn't Toyota turning this into a win?

That would be cool in all, but that’s a little extra for this type a car. Lol

Marketing is all about being "extra". (Big part of the reason I'm not a fan of marketing on the whole.)

But the point I'm making is that, with not a lot of additional effort on Toyota's part, they could spin this to be more of a positive than a negative.

When you say absolutely nothing people feel that you don't value them, and they begin to invent and attribute their own motives to your actions - usually ones that aren't kind.

With just a little spin (and a bit more communication) you can write a different story. "We're all in this together" is a bit corny, but that's the thing you want to say without expressly saying it. Make it you (Toyota) AND the customer who are dealing with the problem, rather than how it seems now where you (Toyota) ARE the problem.

It's marketing/PR 101.

I mean literally the first thing that you learn in crisis management is that you need to be writing the narrative.

Just order a BRZ ;)

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...9&d=1465105213

Well at the end of the day they aren’t doing it. Must not matter that much.

Folks, calm down. Your cars are coming. Yeesh.

It is not an issue of Toyota US. It is the same for Toyota Japan. Their page says "GR86 is coming" ...

Just got an email from my dealer, looks like I got the premium MT gr86 trim with model #6255!

Who is your dealer???

Marysville Toyota, but they don't have any info on color/delivery.

Welp, just sold my 86 for 30k. 4.3k more than I paid new. Now I'm all in. The struggle is real! [emoji16]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...531a6b5e93.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...69be7f5deb.jpg

Can someone tell me how people are getting the new ones for msrp or less when they are also buying old cars for over msrp? Are there really going to be both 1st and second gen on a lot for sale with a used first gen being on sale for more than the newer one?

You are only getting partial stories I bet.

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They stopped production like a year ago so there is demand. Many shoppers are uninformed and don't know a new one is out and they will pay what CarMax says. Once new models hit dealer lots, I would expect used prices to drop quickly, assuming they make enough to fill demand. CarMax will either end up losing money or they will flip them fast enough that it doesn't hurt at all. What sucks is the person who ends up paying 35k for that 86 only to have it drop in value to 20k in a year. They will be so underwater on it I hope they plan on keeping it for 10 years at least.

I figured I had a prime window likely to start to close after production/delivery gets rolling. In February or March, maybe used FT86 values could be less. Hard to say, but I didn't want to take the risk.

I'm going to do the same thing, Carmax has offered me 34k for my TS and I don't think I can pass that up lol paid just over 29 for it.

My guess is that if you see a BRZ (unicorn) on a car lot before June then you will also see a huge markup. I am hearing the Toyota markup is going to be 1500 to 4000 in small markets. LA and Chicago could be like 10 to 15,000.