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ZDan 10-12-2021 04:22 PM

Broke CV joint at the track, but recovered thanks to the power of FRIENDSHIP!
 
Sunday morning I was at New Hampshire Motor Speedway (South Oval config) for practice and then time trials with COMSCC. 1st session was going GREAT, I was having a fantastic time running with cars doing similar lap times :) Then about 6 laps in the car lost all drive after the transition from banked oval to infield section in Turn 10. Thought I'd lost 3rd gear, but no drive in any gears, hrm... Coasted around and down pit lane and got a tow back to the garage.

1st thought was to secure a ride for the time trial as it was our last event and my class championship was on the line. I thought maybe the clutch just 100% let go. Turned out to be driver-side inner CV joint.

@TunaNoCrust offered up his TRD86 cuz he's fricking awesome :cheers:
Then @gcranston told me he had a spare halfshaft! More awesomeness :clap:

We put my 235/45-17 Yoko A052s on TunaNoCrust's car with plan for both of us to run the time trial in his car, I figured it'd be late-afternoon/evening before I got the halfshaft installed. But a couple of club regulars who have helped me out massively before showed up and with guidance from gcranston we had the bad halfshaft replaced within maybe an hour to 90 minutes, so I was able to make 2nd practice and then run the TT in my car!

Won the time trial, set COMSCC T50 lap record, won T50 championship for the year. :burnrubber:

Big thanks to @gcranston, @TunaNoCrust, and S2000 guyz Roe and Andrew :cheers:

rice_classic 10-12-2021 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3472717)
1st thought was to secure a ride for the time trial as it was our last event and my class championship was on the line. I thought maybe the clutch just 100% let go. Turned out to be driver-side inner CV joint.

So it was the same as 99% of all other axle failures? Inboard driver side.

Weird.. I wonder what causes that. /s

Congrats on getting it back together, I love stories like this because stuff like this is a big part of why being at the racetrack is awesome.

gcranston 10-12-2021 10:42 PM

I should point out that he beat me with my own parts! How rude...

Helluva season, Dan. Congrats on the win.

ZDan 10-12-2021 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gcranston (Post 3472812)
I should point out that he beat me with my own parts! How rude...

It felt like a really fast one too, THANKS :D

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Helluva season, Dan. Congrats on the win.
It sure has been, here's to next year!

nikitopo 10-13-2021 01:32 AM

Yes the halfshafts tend to fail. There is a thicker version from STi and other vendors. GRMN had the best one which was thicker and lighter using a hollow structure, but I don't think it is available anymore.

Joon525 10-13-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 3472763)
So it was the same as 99% of all other axle failures? Inboard driver side.

Weird.. I wonder what causes that. /s

Congrats on getting it back together, I love stories like this because stuff like this is a big part of why being at the racetrack is awesome.

By any chance could it be the fact that the exhaust is closer to this side?
It could be the reason why Cusco makes a heatshield for it and I think I remember that someone made their own from here as well.

It's great seeing people come together to help out at the track. If your car is going to break down that's one of the best places for it to happen given the people you're around.

rice_classic 10-13-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Joon525 (Post 3472868)
By any chance could it be the fact that the exhaust is closer to this side?
It could be the reason why Cusco makes a heatshield for it and I think I remember that someone made their own from here as well.

That was the purpose of the “/s” sarcasm tag. It was a joke because everyone at this point pretty much knows which cv fails and why and what to do about it.

ROADRACER 10-13-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3472717)
Sunday morning I was at New Hampshire Motor Speedway (South Oval config) for practice and then time trials with COMSCC. 1st session was going GREAT, I was having a fantastic time running with cars doing similar lap times :) Then about 6 laps in the car lost all drive after the transition from banked oval to infield section in Turn 10. Thought I'd lost 3rd gear, but no drive in any gears, hrm... Coasted around and down pit lane and got a tow back to the garage.

1st thought was to secure a ride for the time trial as it was our last event and my class championship was on the line. I thought maybe the clutch just 100% let go. Turned out to be driver-side inner CV joint.

@TunaNoCrust offered up his TRD86 cuz he's fricking awesome :cheers:
Then @gcranston told me he had a spare halfshaft! More awesomeness :clap:

We put my 235/45-17 Yoko A052s on TunaNoCrust's car with plan for both of us to run the time trial in his car, I figured it'd be late-afternoon/evening before I got the halfshaft installed. But a couple of club regulars who have helped me out massively before showed up and with guidance from gcranston we had the bad halfshaft replaced within maybe an hour to 90 minutes, so I was able to make 2nd practice and then run the TT in my car!

Won the time trial, set COMSCC T50 lap record, won T50 championship for the year. :burnrubber:

Big thanks to @gcranston, @TunaNoCrust, and S2000 guyz Roe and Andrew :cheers:

Was the boot still intact and holding the grease in? I have had a couple boot failures, but noticed before the axle failed.

ZDan 10-13-2021 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ROADRACER (Post 3472894)
Was the boot still intact and holding the grease in? I have had a couple boot failures, but noticed before the axle failed.

Yeah, boot was intact. In my usage, the left rear halfshaft gets pretty hammered due to a couple of turns at New Hampshire Motor Speedway, T3 and T10, where you are cornering hard right and on the gas right over big transitions, BAM. I would guess that heat at that CV joint => thinner and more degraded grease which probably doesn't help... I did get 40 track days (maybe 10 of them at NHMS) and 59k miles out of it before it busted...

ROADRACER 10-14-2021 12:27 PM

Well that is pretty good service life from a stock part used that hard. Used ones are fairly cheap on ebay. I think I will start carrying a spare to the track.

NoHaveMSG 10-14-2021 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ROADRACER (Post 3473148)
Well that is pretty good service life from a stock part used that hard. Used ones are fairly cheap on ebay. I think I will start carrying a spare to the track.

I carry two. You never know if someone else will also need one. Enough twins are typically at the track.

Opie 10-14-2021 05:30 PM

https://youtu.be/TkKEFYvhnsk

ZDan 10-14-2021 07:17 PM

I should note that there might have been a *tiny* warrning before failure. Sometimes going through the transition at T10 (right-hander, on the gas, fully loaded left-side suspension) I would hear a kind of metallic thunk sound, as if a swaybar bushing was going bad. But suspension felt tight everywhere. Other than that, the car behaved 100% normally on track until the CV joint failed *at* the transition in the middle of T10. Nothing else going on at all, fully loaded cornering hard right, on the gas.

Petah78 10-15-2021 11:00 AM

Anh idea how often should you be doing this maintenance?

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Originally Posted by Opie (Post 3473235)


Opie 10-15-2021 01:19 PM

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I would suggest every 60,000 miles on the street, or if tracked every year or 35-40 track events. If it looks like this when you do it, should do it sooner...

gcranston 10-15-2021 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3473229)
I carry two. You never know if someone else will also need one. Enough twins are typically at the track.


I was carrying a spare because I'd torn the a boot at Watkins Glen a month earlier, and so had an S2000. It's fixable in the paddock, so worth having it with me.

Opie 10-15-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gcranston (Post 3473466)
I was carrying a spare because I'd torn the a boot at Watkins Glen a month earlier, and so had an S2000. It's fixable in the paddock, so worth having it with me.

I always have at least 1...

TunaNoCrust 10-20-2021 11:22 AM

Always happy to help Dan! Glad you got your car back together, there may have been some protests if you ran mine in T50. I love that about COM, people are always there to lend a hand!

Thanks for letting me run the A052s, immediately took a second of my RT660 time...just couldn't repeat that time in the TT!

ZDan 10-20-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TunaNoCrust (Post 3474678)
Always happy to help Dan! Glad you got your car back together, there may have been some protests if you ran mine in T50. I love that about COM, people are always there to lend a hand!

Thanks for letting me run the A052s, immediately took a second of my RT660 time...just couldn't repeat that time in the TT!

I was about 4 tenths slower in the TT as well, I think the track was just slower...

TunaNoCrust 10-21-2021 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3474718)
I was about 4 tenths slower in the TT as well, I think the track was just slower...

Track was slower, but I think it was mostly me :D

ROADRACER 10-21-2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Opie (Post 3473395)
I would suggest every 60,000 miles on the street, or if tracked every year or 35-40 track events. If it looks like this when you do it, should do it sooner...

That almost looks like it got water in it. The axles Ive had trouble with the grease is black and burn looking and some of it is charred to the CV internals.

Opie 10-21-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ROADRACER (Post 3474894)
That almost looks like it got water in it. The axles Ive had trouble with the grease is black and burn looking and some of it is charred to the CV internals.

Yeah, that's how the axle in my reboot video looked....


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