Winding Road Comparo: Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec vs. Scion FR-S vs. Subaru BRZ
 

http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...13-subaru-brz/

Quite a long read!

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1345475467

Good article. I liked the final word, but seemed a balanced review.

GREAT article.:thumbsup:

good article, im glad the author tried really hard not to praise the FRS/BRZ too much like some other comparison reviews.

But some those article comments on the bottom..wow... I just cant believe there are still people like that with such hateful and non-constructive comments, as if this car's existence is directly attacking their choices in auto enthusiast decisions.

Some of my friends asked me about the FRS and why I would justify buying one. I just ask them if they are interested in buying a AE86 for 3k-5k, then replacing everything with all new modern re-engineered manufactured parts, body restored + painted, and get a little in power. If they said yes..then id direct them to the FRS. Because essentially, the FRS is what you get after all the time, effort, and money put into a brand new re-engineered AE86 project while retaining the same soul and character of the original.

^^^Hyundai owners that are now elitists? Are pigs flying right now? :bellyroll:

Great article BTW. Unbiased.

Hyundai is becoming a truly impressive carmaker... but they still have a long way to go. The Genesis coupe is an honest effort and I'm glad they're putting it out there for sale because the world needs more sports cars. My dollars are going to Subaru/Toyota however.

haters gotta hate.
They're everywhere.

I think we need some ft86club.com "Haters gonna hate." bumper stickers.

great article. I have a 2010 2.0t genesis. It was a terrible car to own after a while since the power was really @ 180rwhp. After much tunning and suspension the genesis is a better car now. 3 years with the car with 91k+ miles with it tuned to 230rwhp n 280rwtq. Its been a real fun car to own and drift.

they were right on the heaviness of the car entering the corner and finding the sweet spot to get it out, then again their car isn't tuned. Major lag with out the tune.

Yeah, I heard that the genesis was a pretty good car AFTER some mods and adjustments/tuning. I keep hearing a reoccurring theme with the genesis owners how in its stock form its numbing but a great performer.

If i were in the market for a Genesis, first thing id do is suspension and trying to shave the poundage on the car. It should be fine in the power department.

But if that was my first goals, why not just by a more capable chassis like the FRS. and then spend the additional $5000 on a turbo kit?

From my tuning aspect, its better to have a good starting platform, than a platform with potential.

I may actually see if I can get a local sign company to make these, and sell them at cost if people are interested

A lot of people on the internet are teenagers who either can't even drive a car or are very immature and have a very narrow worldview and are not able to see any perspective other than their own. It's not really worth trying to explain the car to them or argue with them. Unfortunately the nature of the internet makes it so that the opinion of a 10 year old who only knows about cars from Need For Speed is just as visible as someone who has a lifetime of experience driving real cars. There will always be people who hate any car, for the simple reason that many people will hate on anything that makes the thing that they own look bad. I have a fun game of trying to guess what car a person owns before I get to the "my ... is so much better." There's no use in arguing with these people, because their narrow-minded opinion will never be changed and doesn't really matter anyways. Really, this car is no better or worse than the Genesis Coupe, as this review states very fairly.

"Essentially, a lot of what this comparison comes down to is how you, as a driver, get your kicks. If you’re the type of person who needs power and outright speed, the Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec will probably win your dollars. And, it still won’t let you down in other aspects of driving, especially when it comes to livability. If you draw pleasure from magical, telepathic handling, and from the challenge of keeping momentum, you’ll likely prefer either the Subaru BRZ or the Scion FR-S."

That's really all there is to it. People will get defensive because the car is receiving a lot of attention, mostly positive, and it makes them feel insecure about their decision to buy or "root for" some other car. At the end of the day we are lucky to have so many choices in cars that everyone can get something that satisfies their own personal requirements.

Nooo! Embrace it! I'm so glad that this car is hated on by so many people. This is a car you have to "get". When I go to a meet or to this forum, I like hearing from people and talking to people who "get it".

Of course from the outside looking in this makes us look like a bunch of cultists. "No no no! Trust me our measly 4 cylinder 200hp cars are much better than everyone else out there!!" :bellyroll:

:bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll:

In the GC size class(Mid size coupes) I feel its the best 2+2 RWD coupe over the Stang/Camaro/G37 etc. The FRS/BRZ is more like a Miata with fake rear seats and a hardtop IMO so its really different.

The thing you have to "get" is the fact that this car is for people who are only interested in the pleasure of motoring. It is not about being better, or some kind of immature highway pissing contest. It is about having something that just makes you smile, and everybody else can think whatever they want.

H86r's gonna H86

"Most of all, however, is the flying one hated." Nietzsche

Roughly 2 more months until I too am hated :burnrubber:

good read :)

Right. It's something that is not quantifiable. You could have all the data analysts in the world and they'd run tests on every parameter between the FRS/BRZ and genesis coupe and would ultimately have to say the genesis coupe is better. When you stop being a robot and think about real world emotions from real people...the competition ceases to exist :)

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Well said sir. Well said. While there is a certain sense of adrenaline and pushing the car to its limits and beating someone, more pleasure is definitely derived from the car doing exactly as you thought. I am not sure how else to put it other than calling it the "tossability" factor.

I had a 2012 GC 2.0T R-Spec.

They are completely different cars. Camparos between them are retarded.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=2016

Love this!!!!

Ha, sorry, didn't see it!

I've talked to a few people, some people love it, some are whatever about it, and some absolutely hate it. Of course there's going to be plenty of people that'll hate every car. Whether its japanese, american, or european. Everyone hates everyone's car lol. I think its more of the narrow minded your car isn't better than my car idea that gets everyone all butthurt.
Jalopnik facebook comments are a prime example. When they ran a story about a scion frs that got wrecked you couldn't believe how many people were just saying "that's a car for -------, jap junk, silly ricers, i drive a xxx with xxxhp!!!, scion is for retards etc... For some reason it was as if they saw that in some subliminal message they read "THIS CAR IS BETTER THAN YOUR PIECE OF CRAP"
I don't get why people need to talk crap about other cars, its like it's gonna make their car gain a magical 80hp lol. I'm not gonna lie i used to be a bit narrow minded, but then i realized it was stupid and pointless.

I love both the Scion and Subaru and i'm glad that they are getting the positive reviews that they're getting.