Subaru Solterra EV- Additional info released
 

Or should I say Toyota EV...

Available Mid 2022 as a 2023 model, teaser pics and add'l info https://www.subaru.com/solterra-evhere.

You can say Toyota...

Toyota Concept:
https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/s...oncept_004.jpg

Subaru Concept... Production???:
https://www.subaru.com/content/dam/s..._1920x1200.jpg

Other Photos

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/s...rra-EV-SUV.jpg
https://www.subaru.com/content/dam/s..._1920x1200.jpg
https://www.subaru.com/content/dam/s..._1920x1200.jpg

Well since its an EV collab (one of many i believe) between Toyota and Subaru
Its basically just like the twins, except its an EV CUV.

Meh, two too many doors for my liking.

Now, if they would bring back the SOLARA as an EV........they could name it the VOLARA.
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No, not VOLARÉ.
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Or bring back to Toyota Voltz!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ntiac_Vibe.jpg

I find it hilarious that Toyota imported the Pontiac Vibe and rebadged it as the TOYOTA Voltz in Japan....when they made the identical yet TOYOTA badged Matrix in the same factory lol.

well to be fair, they did style the two models with large enough differences where it wasn't just a badge/bumper swap between the two.

Nice
 

Love the modern interior. The infotainment system looks impressive.

Looks like a laptop. Glad they threw in a lot of buttons though, definitely attractive.

Buy stock in black cladding.

It is a thing.

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/4y...front-view.jpg

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Japan? specs: The Solterra puts power to the ground through a pair of electric motors, one for each axle. Each motor generates 107 horsepower (80 kilowatts) for a combined output of 215 hp (160 kW), and with Subaru's penchant for all-wheel-drive vehicles, that's the only configuration available on the Solterra. It utilizes the company's AWD X-Mode system for use on a variety of surfaces, which is further enhanced by the new Grip Control feature that provides extra stability at speed.

The Solterra's electricity comes from a 71.4 kWh lithium-ion battery pack, giving the SUV a range of approximately 285 miles (460 kilometers) per Japan's WLTC standard. History shows EPA ratings are generally lower, however, so expect to see that number drop for the Solterra's L.A. debut. As for charging, Subaru doesn't offer time estimates but the SUV can charge at 150 kW. That should translate to about a half-hour to recoup 80 percent of range.

Ironic in a way: https://electrek.co/2021/11/11/how-t...anda-in-japan/

Really!! Japan, Inc. is painting itself into a corner. Despite their reputation for financial wizardry in the automotive world, they are running a serious risk of becoming irrelevant.

I think it’s funny that anyone says different becomes an enemy. Japanese companies understanding on the issue is related to breakeven polution, rarity of materials and environmental impacts for battery production. They’re taking a more conservative instance as expected from those companies, and may change in the future with development of new technologies.

Their way of changing one thing which time has its SWOT, just time will tell if they are taking the right path and we will never know what they’re developing besides what we see in the news.

The demise of Subaru. Not against EVs, but this is a really bad example.

does anyone realize that they made 2 specific declarations before this year?
One of them was some net zero thing by 2050, and another probably last year or something i dont remember, was their 10 BEV's by 2025 or something?

I think Toyota got caught because they didnt anticipate the EV transition to be happening as fast as it is right now. Im sure they thought it'll take another 10 or so years before things start ramping up.

But the doom and gloom of the japanese auto industry by these EV nuts seem overblown.
Its like Nintendo in the video game console space. They've been doom and gloomed forever but they keep on ticking. Once they hit lightning in a bottle (nintendo Wii, and currently Nintendo Switch) they skyrocket out of the "doom" scenario and the doomers are all shocked pikachu face about it.
the Japanese electronics giants disappeared (or pared down) because the market started getting saturated with low end cheap stuff built in China and quality got to a point where unless you REALLY cared about the specifics (which the general public dont) then the cheap stuff became good enough. and the japanese market items (American ones too) couldnt compete with that.

In any case, you cant just declare EV's as the be-all solution. Theres people who want them, theres people who dont care (who will probably get convered to to EV), and theres people who dont want them until something specific happens (improved infrastructure, better EV choices, lower prices, etc)

Im not ready to go EV yet and right now...a ton of the EV's are....SUV's or CUV's...which...bleh.

An EV should be focused mainly for city driving. The BMW i3 was one of the early representatives of this category with some unique ideas and technologies. No idea why someone would want to buy a super heavy and ugly (laptop looking interior) EV like the Solterrra for going to the forest.

Honda is in the same weird position. They had to turn to GM to build their first EV crossovers because they haven't made the investments.

However, let's not forget that American companies that are driving innovation and pursuing these 2035 targets are doing so with profits from big V8 trucks and SUVs.

Toyota and Honda I think lack the flexibility to say we are going to dump $30 billion into EVs over the next 10 years because they don't sell Yukon's in droves. Or in VWs case, Porsches and Bentlys paying for everything. So they need to fight back and try to slow things down and cut back on thei financial risks.

Their critique s of EVs is fair, but the market has decided what things will look like 10-20 years. Regardless of whether it is right or not.

I'll never understand why honda needed to pair up with GM. They have the honda E and next to a Tesla Model X, I can't remember another car that got me stoked about EVs. The E is so quirky and perfect. The only thing it needs it more range.

Mazda is even more screwed lol.
They JUST released that MX30 EV and its apparently trash, but mainly due to like 151km of range lol.
And price isnt all that much lower than any other EV so they're at huge range disadvantage.

I saw a review on it. When they said the mileage I couldn't even believe it. :thumbdown:

for this reason, i'm closely watching the jeep wrangler ev. i think it has potential to showcase the capabilities of electric power in fun offroad scenario's while also being capable of everyday stuff.

but it also has a massive chance of going horribly wrong on them if the remote off road solar chargers get a bad rap for falling out of maintenance and no longer being usable...

time repeats itself. it's the 70's all over again!

the american brands are in the rejuvenation stage, where they're hyper-aware of what other brands are doing and are trying to get to the forefront again in terms of tech, quality, and styling.

the japanese brands are languishing 'with what works', and see no reason to change.

https://jalopnik.com/toyota-says-its...nge-1848074438
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Can I get a discount since they only painted 2/3rds of the car?

Yay more CUV's and SUV's.....


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Toyota has the money to dump into EVs, but they didn't want to because the CEO didn't see how they were sustainable products. Currents EV are disposed of like cellphones. They are making a $13.6 billion investment in battery tech with 203 patents currently. They have been better at risk management than GM and VW for a while now. They understand their customers expect reliability and ease of use. The current EV infrastructure doesn't support ease of use outside a Tesla contributing to the 2% EV take rate among new auto sales.

HEY FRIENDS! first post in about 6-8 months. but i saw this released on social media today and though id check in on my favorite forum

My question is: is it a subaru with a toyo badge? or a Toyo with a subia badge?

i understand that both toyo and subie solterra are mechanically identical, like frs/brz.
but we know that all the oem parts for our cars are subaru made/stamped, the motor is a subaru boxer, so the frs is essentially a subaru w a scion badge. my question remains for the solterra, anyone know who made/designed/is producing it? is this a toyota project or subaru?

well, i kind of just answered my own question with a little more googling:

'While Toyota’s team worked on battery and powertrain, Subaru handled chassis, AWD, and crash systems"

taken from a car&driver writeup: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...erra-revealed/

so i guess the solterra is split a little more evenly between the two manufactures than the frs/brz

I think that makes a lot of sense. Toyota has been working with electrical systems and batteries for a lot longer. They probably have good ties to suppliers and the internal engineers to take the project through to production. On the other end, Subaru's eyesight is more advance than anything Toyota has and AWD is a major selling point for the brand.

More SUV EVs because this seems like a good place.
Ioniq Seven
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https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1637084789.jpg
Kia EV9
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1637178422.jpg
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1637178413.jpg

Some of the previewer vids are saying it feels more like a Toyota product with a Subie badge.

Solterra reservations are open on the Subaru site in the US. $250 deposit.

https://www.subaru.com/solterra-reservations

Of course, no one has "Availability" in my area.