Can't wait to experience the GR86 platform for the first time
 

Hi all,

Anyone else here coming from a different platform and is sooo excited to try out the car?

I've been building my 2020 Civic Si for the last year and a half or so, and although it's great in commuting and fun to drive, I wanted a more raw and thrilling driver's experience... also RWD :drool:

I'm currently in the process of parting out my car to prepare to sell my car as soon as the 86 hits the showroom, I've already called a few dealers and gave them my contact info for them to let me know right away once they get confirmation that they have some in transit.

Been watching reviews non stop and I've never been more excited for a car, glad to be here among you all and hope to learn a lot from y'all once we get our cars!!

In the process of selling my S2000 and replacing it with the new GR86. This is as close as I think we will get in terms of a modern car matching the AP1 S2k in performance.

The reviews look amazing and all my connections on the inside are saying its not BS.

You really gonna trade in a future collector car like that? Lol. Not really a fan of Honda’s but it’s pretty widely known that the S2k is up next as far as THAT recognition.

Probably a good time to do it honestly. Banking on it becoming a high value collector car is pretty risky when prices are already high now no matter what the internet says. Covid is making a lot a cars worth much than they are in reality.

Wouldn’t be banking on it, it’s going that way due to supply and demand. Same thing with every recent Japanese classic. Especially if you would trade in a clean S2k for a WHITE GR86, which will be a super common color by the forums.

We aren’t talking about trading in a Corolla hatch or Civic Si and trying to get the most out of your trade either, I understand that, we’re talking about a coveted sports car platform. Lol

I don't collect cars - I track them.

That said, yes, if my car was a garage queen, I wouldn't be selling her right now but she's been through quite a lot and I've learnt that tracking a car like her puts me in a precarious position where I can't find parts for beyond just consumables.

The GR86? A dime a dozen and thats a good thing for me. Not trying to be unique but get tons of seat time. That was always the goal.

Okay I can definitely understand that. For a second I was like WHAT?! Lol

are parts starting to become hard to find? i sort of assumed with the cult-like status of the s2k, parts would stay relatively available for a longer than normal period of time

Yep. I was actually considering hoarding entire front ends of crashed S2ks to at least have an entire engine bay to swap out parts. Literally spending like $10k USD to do so.

Remember, I'm talking about stuff that ISN'T consumables. Engine harnesses. Heads. Etc.

Buuuuut... I live in a condo.

RIP that idea.

i get it. after owning vehicles well into the 15-20 year age span, i've learned that it's not the big mechanical stuff that stops it, it's the boring, stupid stuff. like oddly-sized plastic fasteners that become unobtanium, that really spell the end for the vehicle.

Hell, that wouldn't slow ol @soundman98 down - :D

that's why i don't live in a condo ;)

By the rate that people are chopping up twins to put on widebodies, it will also be rare to find a clean one in 20 years.

Yeah but the car is still in production. When it goes out yeah eventually you’ll see the climb in price but by that time the S2k would be like someone driving a 70s muscle car in the 90s-00s. I thought he had a perfect condition S2K and was just trading it in because he wanted the new car that bad. But he makes sense with how he was tracking it and wants a new track toy.

I can only pray that I'm just as quick as I am now in 20 years.

Once you go RWD, you will lose a little bit of respect for pretty much every other drivetrain. :)

I thought you would say, once you go RWD you never go back.

Our platform is indeed very addictive and and trying some other cars, even for a day and when you come back to your car it feels so connected to you.

So difficult to divorce in this marriage. LOL!

*cough* GR Corolla or Yaris. *cough*

Yeah when that comes out I think people will flock to it. It’s the only other car I’m considering over the 86. Fully in house built Toyota, that’s most likely going to be built in Motomachi.

different goals. i think humfrz can attest that with age, he's a quicker napper than he used to be!

Wheres the GR Yaris built?

Plus i think back to the 3 brothers heirarchy that Toyota apparently wanted...does the GR Yaris count as the third brother? (maybe a half brother and the GR Corolla is the other half brother for places where the GR YAris isnt sold?)

Motomachi, Japan where the LFA was built and currently where the LC500 is built.

I bet we'll see the GR Corolla before a 2-door GR Yaris.

They're likely too busy with the Corolla cross. The GR hot hatch is on the website though.

Reveal is predicted to be early next year to summer time. It’s honestly the only reason why I’m holding on buying a 86 right away

If your experience has only been FWD, be prepared to have your fingertips bombarded with sensations more than anything else. The act of sending power to the front wheels puts torque on the steering axis and drowns out smaller feedback from going up the tire and into the steering system. When the front wheels are just idle rollers, the only thing coming back up the steering system are the small sensations and changing loads on the steering axis.

And that's true of any vehicle, not just sports cars, that's why people who drive their trucks in 4WD all winter are dumb: You can feel the slightest slip angle when you're in 2WD with two fingers on the wheel and can catch a loss of control way before it becomes unmanageable. In 4WD you feel nothing and by the time the slip angle is felt in your butt, it's too late to catch it, that's why you see 4WDs in the ditch all the time in winter. Keeping my 4runner in 2WD and making it dance all winter saved me from being upside down in the ditch a few times.

i think that's a little over-sensationalist...

but i've always wanted/desired rwd so that i have active control of each axle... biggest difference between fwd and rwd in the loose snow for me is the control method. fwd is more like 4x4, where more is gained from throttle/steering application than braking.

4x4's biggest issue is that because of the locked/driven wheels, everything is solved/corrected with throttle input and steering angle, usually exacerbating sliding during that process, which goes against everything typical to human reaction to something under our control beginning undesirable action. standard human reaction in this case is to normally slow down and brake, which is just about the worst possible reaction to have in most poor traction situations, which is where the ditch-diving comes into play.

i specifically drive in inclement conditions in 4x4 due to the increased braking traction it offers, but i also tend to drive 1-fingered at the same time in an effort to compensate for the decreased steering feel.

"While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own. One that continues to push the boundaries of performance. And one that can only come from TOYOTA GAZOO Racing."

I'm calling GR Corolla Hatch.

I think the Yaris is too one-off to bring to the U.S. market, at least that soon.

Plus it seems like sales are limited in the markets it's sold in. 300 in Mexico, 2000 in Australia. And the plant it's built in seems to have a lower production capacity.

https://www.motoring.com.au/toyota-g...ounced-130745/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyo...xico-sold-out/

There is not a chance in the universe the GR Yaris will come to the US.

They don’t even sell a true Yaris here anymore. The one we get is just a rebadged Mazda. This is probably because the global Yaris is too small and unmarketable in the US. To bring the GR here, they would have to get the real Yaris to conform to US safety regulations and emissions, all for a market that is dwindling as SUVs and trucks continue to take over.

I completely skipped over that sentence on the website. :bonk:

Yeah it’s pretty much confirmed we’re getting something. Will be the first official all Toyota offering since the MR2 (not counting Lexus products)

About 24 years later, we will be able import some.
Unless all of them roll over at Nordschleife by then.

You mean race-inspired/sporty cars, right? Because most of the lineup like Camrys, Prius, etc are all-Toyota lol.

BTW I would include the 2ZZ cars in that like the last Celica.

Yeah and by then they'll probably command big money since they're rare today, imagine in 24 yrs.

Yeah that’s pretty much what I was saying. Biggest question will be where would the GR Corolla (if it is in fact the Corolla) fit in the Trueno/Levin heritage? The GR86 is a direct successor to the AE86 in its price and RWD architecture, but it’s still a Subaru based car. The GR Corolla will be the actual descendant of the Sprinter Trueno/Levin being a complete Toyota based car.

I don't know, that's up to Toyota's marketing to decide and try to convince you where it fits lol

But realistically, I don't think it would fit anywhere. The Corolla Hatch is supposed to call back to the Matrix. I don't know if you remember, but the Matrix was pretty popular, I'm sure might still be that way with some enthusiasts. Both the Matrix XRS and Corolla XRS came with the Yamaha 2ZZ-GE engine.
But not turbo.
I believe the last turbo-FWD /AWD based Toyota was the Celica.

If they truly have any Hot Hatch here in the U.S., with the 260-something turbo 1.6L engine from the GR Yaris, that would be pretty unique I think.


Edit.
Ugh. I know being on this forum, you may learn a bit more than typical social media commenters... so my gripe is mainly with them and not you. But I don't see this as Just a "Subaru", or even "Subaru-based". And definitely not in the same vein as the BMW-made Supra.

FRS/86/BRZ = TRUE collab
- Design
- Quality
- RWD, not AWD
- N/A, not turbo
- It's not a car Subaru would ever build on their own.
- Subaru has never used this RWD transmission (AZ6 - previously used on Miata, Lexus IS, 240SX)
- Subaru has never used a Toyota rear diff like this (similar/same diff as Mk3 Supra/Lexus IS)
- Toyota D-4S.

so I see it as a Toyota the same way as the MR2, Celica, Supra, AE86 etc.

I was Driving at Sonoma last weekend and they had an S2K parade run. There must have been a hundred there and that's just Nor Cal. They were all in great shape so doubtful any type of scarcity will be driving prices up anytime soon

Toyota was talking about the Corolla Cross being the successor to the Matrix from what Kirk Kriefels was saying. Technically the old Trueno came as a hatch and a notchback coupe. Today we have a regular sedan Corolla and a hatch too just 4 doors. It’ll be interesting but technically it’s the heir to that throne.

Still love the twins though. I know with the Subaru thing its annoying, I owned a FRS, technically it’s more Toyota then people give them credit (Toyota even owns a piece of Subaru) I’m just saying overall compared to the GR hot hatch.