No Brembos = suck
 

They have to wait to add that for another year. I guess.


the 2017 I had with them was awesome on mountains and in traffic.


Putting that as an option for a later year does not increase sales for the first year.



Does the new brake system look nicer than the old ones? Consolation prize?

is it confirmed that brembos won't be an option for dealer add-on or higher trim level?

There was no option for it when I placed my '22 order.

Honestly, this is the only thing that has me hesitant to buy the first model year. Might kick myself if the 2023 gets a PP option with brembos from the factory.

Looks same, or worse with small rotors in 18" wheels...

Brembo doesn't do anything to daily or mountain drive performance. Pads & tires do more performance.

Part of it is looks for me too. I guess I could swap them in later on if it really bothered me that much.

Bling factor is def there & cannot deny that it looks good w the Brembo

Uh. Well. brembo's are lighter but bigger. So that's a real thing. They also were tested to have same braking distance after 30+ hard brakes and the stock ones faded. So that's not the same thing.


Anyways, i can afford anything just want to avoid changing things on a brand new subaru.

They could be developing another BBK.

Not sure about the subaru side but i dont think the Toyota/Scion side ever got the Brembo/PP option until 2019 when it came on the TRD SE edition, and then carried over to the 2020 as an actual TRD option package. I dont even think any of the FRS release series had them. But Canada never got them outside of the 2019 TRD SE. For 2020 only the 18" wheels carried over on the MT models (AT still got the 17's)
at least not in North America, i know they were available overseas in some of the earlier model year cars.

So it wouldnt surprise me if any kind of brembo package shows up later down the line but not right away if at all.

I'm sure there will be plenty of aftermarket options. They were already teased during one of the videos of tuners showing off their work. But I agree, the brembos really add to the look. Even if they don't do much. Though something like how Mazda does with their Miata and have front brembos bit reg rears is fine with me.

The PP and Ts both seemed incredibly popular. PP models were all I ever saw when looking at dealers within 500 miles.

However, I was always skeptical about performance. Considering the weight, power, and tire on the car, having more bite out of the brakes didn't seem like it was a difference maker. However, for Subaru, the margins were probably really nice.

But yes. Launch the new car with as few configurations, let popularity fall going into year 2, then launch your PP models.

I guess the question is, are they going to skip the PP and just offer a Ts instead? Brakes, dampers, and forged wheels would probably push the price to 35K. If you want to spend that, more power to you! Again, for Subaru, the margins will be good and there are probably 500+ people willing to buy that model a year.

having the Brembo's also gave you better struts and a plate on the tower area extra. The brembo's were amazing at keeping pure consistent smooth braking regardless of temperature. Loved them. would want such things again. Or the equivalent if a manufacturer makes them better. VW GTI had very nice brakes that were VW designed, no point for aftermarket when i was looking at the mid package upgrade a fewyears ago.

They are definitely heavier than the standard brakes.

I don't have numbers in front of me, but my understanding was the PP brembos are heavier vs. standard non-PP brakes. For sure the rotors are. I swapped out my 23 lb. stock PP front rotors for 17 lb. Girodisc 2-piece. That was a lotta $$ per pound saved...

at the time i bought them, people on here said you save weight and gain better braking. i guess that information shifted. Is there any lighter + 4 piston very good heat dissipating systems that arent too expensive? 4 piston front 2 back.

One of the biggest benefits of a BBK is the added weight of the rotor, and thus thermal capacity.
Once the rotor has enough thermal capacity, the more expensive kits do weight savings by using lighter hats.

Same with calipers/pads. I don't know about base FT86 pads,
but on ND Miatas the Brembos have significantly bigger pads than
base brakes. Or "Little Big Brake Kit", God forbid.

Admittedly, you need to be driving pretty hard (e.g. at the track) for all that to make a difference.

The biggest benefit of the PP on '17-'20 BRZ was the amazing value-for-money on those Brembos.
And better dampers were included?!

Sure, you can get a better aftermarket BBK, but it will probably set you back double or event triple
the amount you'd pay for the PP option. One of the components here is that if you're buying base
brakes you still have to pay for them, even if you're not going to use them. And there's not much
demand on the second-hand market to buy those base brakes from you.

And for sure Brembos look way better :)

If anything, PP Brembos make changing brake pads a breeze. No more unbolting calipers and fucking around with a spreader tool.

I was going to say this, but figured it may not be worth the effort. Good thing you've got patience enough for the two of us.

That was my #1 reason. *Hate* swapping pads on sliding calipers and having to use that little cube-tool to screw the rear piston back in...

No need to use the cube in a DIH (Drum in hat) setup. Brz does not have a IPB (integrated parking brake) version

lol 200hp with Brembo unnecessary

What relation does 200 hp have to Brembos?

At the track, a lot... How much energy you have to dissipate in the braking zone is directly related to how fast you're going, which is directly related to how much power you have. More power = faster = more energy for the brakes to take and reject as heat.

I got a chuckle out of it when they added the big Brembos as an option. After years and years of "could use more power", they give it massive brakes sized for 300+ hp, and +5hp...

I've certainly cooked even Brembos at the track with stock power, even with dedicated track pads.
If you've never driven the car hard enough it doesn't mean the brakes are sufficient :P

I'm just mad I can't see my pads! Every car I've ever had, you can see them!!

weight of car = brakes needed. And their relationship to amount of tire patch.



10000 hp car that is 300 lbs needs go-kart drum brakes.

In many racing/track applications would it still not be better to have the Brembos alongside better pads, tires, and fluid regardless of power??

I do not think people actually drive their car on mountains fast. I do not think people drive cars fast on forums. I have come to this conclusion long ago. Hard braking many times in a row with performance brakes gives consistency. Brakes all stop the car the same manner if not overheated. Tires and suspension and weight are the factors for stopping

For sure. They'll allow a wider range of pad compounds and brake fluid, and you'll get more life out of pads and rotors. The big Brembos also have better (for me) feel. I'm glad I got them, although I'm sure I could make the standard setup work fine for me at the track and run similar lap times.

Don’t forget the 4pot 2pot look nice and work well for cheaper.

We're already working on some AP Racing brake solutions for the new chassis. Remember that our AP Racing by Essex Sprint Kit shaved 20 unsprung lbs. off the nose and allowed one to pretty much thrash on them all day, every day, without any fade or issues. Toyota engineers won an endurance racing championship with our 'out-of-the-box' kit: https://www.essexparts.com/news-blog...-win-at-a-time


If that's not enough for you, we have some other things in the works as well.:D


Our systems don't cost $1500, but they also offer far more than systems that do cost that much.


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Will have option with tucked piston boot?

Many people on the forums do indeed track their cars.
For those that do brembos make sense for the added thermal capacity when you spend a full day doing sessions.
You can certainly get away with standard brakes, good pads and high temp fluid for the majority of driving conditions at bolt on power levels.

My pedal feel actually gets better on a mountain road as good pads tend to need constant rebedding on the street if they're not run hard..

I've done two 30 minute track sessions an hour apart and had zero issues with the brakes. I was more concerned with oil cooling as temps were getting above 260f quite easily.

Sold my 2015 Series.Blue the other day with a Wildwood kit. I'm holding out for the 2023..... hopefully there will be an STi version BRZ with the STi brakes that are on the WRX line? The current brakes look awful on the 2022.....and it sounds petty but brake caliper looks are a thing for even those of us who track multiple times a year

I'll order a Sprint set the day they're ready. Even if it's before my car arrives, so make a note to send me a PM and I'll be your first customer! :)

And some super lightweight 2pc rear rotors too pretty please. With a thin steel insert for the handbrake liner...

Also got lil info that PP might be coming sooner than later. So maybe you guys don't need to buy BBK.

But w any rumor, take it as a grain of salt.