Compatible parts from 1st gen to 2nd gen? Good idea?
 

Hey guys, I'm really digging this new GT86 2022 edition! I may consider trading in my FRS for one. Does anyone know if certain parts are interchangeable between the generations? I'd hate to lose out on a lot of expensive parts like carbon fiber driveshaft, full cat-back exhaust, rims, etc.

What are your guys' take on that? If you could trade in your car and convert some of your old performance/cosmetic parts over to the new gen, would you do it?

come on yo, pretty much no one outside japan has driven it let alone start taking it apart. but considering it is pretty much the exact car but with a heavy refresh, think we've all assumed the same things..

cosmetic definitely not, unless we're talking about rain guards perhaps..

looking at how similar the engine bay is, maybe some drivetrain/exhaust stuff could be carried over.

wheels are perhaps the only thing, hard to imagine them changing it away from 5x100..

You'll be surprised how many parts will be swappable in the current gen.

...also you'll be surprised some parts won't be swappable in the current gen.

I actually wouldn't mind going the other way either...like dropping in the 2.4L boxer for the 2.0L. ...when the engine blows ofcourse! That would probably drop right in with little modifcation!

Would need far more work than you would think. They are similar not the same.
You are years and years away form getting the new engine for any sort of reasonable price anyway

I bet quite a few parts will swap over:

Wheels
Strut bars
Cat backs
Lowering springs
Maybe shocks?
Shift knobs

I don't expect the aftermarket to be exactly the same as it was for gen 1. In terms of turbos and superchargers, demand might be somewhat less due to the car now having adequate horsepower out of the box to do a hard launch in the 5s range, putting it in line with an STI which auto journalists will acknowledge. Of course there will be some demand, but I don't think the car will be judged as underpowered or not meeting its potential anymore. The new FI goal for the mainstream ambitious but not wreckless, will be well above 300 HP, which required swapping injectors in gen 1, thereby resulting in tunes in the 240 -280 HP being most typical.
I'd say buy the performance package from the get go unless your ambitions far exceed that for track use. If you're invested in upgrading the performance on your gen1, then a gen 2 isn't going to massively outperform it with swapped parts.

I wonder how many years in they plan to implement an electric power assist? Maybe not if low weight is defining for this vehicle. Looking ahead, although not an almighty Ferrari or Aston Martin V12, a 2.4L displacement ICE will become either a luxury novelty, a product sold only in unregulated countries or out of production in a decade or so. So, either this could be the end of the line for this type of vehicle or there is a plan to implement some form of electric assist for the future.
I'd like an electric S-FR in lime green please.

Ha, that interesting you say that. I always wondered what a Tesla motor would do in one of these chassis. I bet it would be a Rocket! 🚀 But they're still so darn heavy with the batteries so it probably wouldn't corner as well.

Better to stick with Lotus for something in that cost bracket. At least the vehicle itself is ultra low weight before electrification.

It would be nice to be able to see this as easily doable within not to many years though.

Toyota S-FR is no doubt pretty light.

Unless there is a change in battery tech, I don't see this becoming a thing if you want any type of practical range. To run a couple of laps maybe, but as a DD there is no place to put the batteries that won't mess up the CG and/or eliminate all your storage space. It might be practical in a body on frame older car or a truck, since you could design and replace the sled, but doesn't seem practical in a unibody.

Battery packs in EVs are low for a reason.

Nobody said they'd use identical floorpans. And COG would improve with electrification if the battery pack is the floor as Tesla does it. Solid state battery tech can potentially allow a more optimal shape for batteries, just as fuel tanks are shaped to accommodate the vehicle vs vise versa.

Somebody should be scrambling to develop performance electric drive systems for mid market. I suppose the funding will come from the upscale sales. Maybe an all electric sport coupe similar to the Lotus Tesla but a bit more Lexus or Toyota. The tech needs to reach a point that it can make a margin and as electrification absorbs more of the market the cost of producing an electric drive train should reach optimization. Finite alkali metal availability and clean power generation needs to progress.

Just sell your parts. This is the game we have to play if we want the latest and GReatest


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The exhaust looks like it might be backwards compatible. I have the TRD exhaust on my current 86 and I'm considering buying the GR 86, and if the TRD exhaust can be transplanted over that will sway me towards buying it.

You may have misunderstood my point, I was referring to a retrofit kit for an electric engine, not a full platform design.

*Evil laugh* We'll see....we'll see.....

The batteries would be visible in the rear deck lid. Lol

These are parts bin cars through and through. There will be a whole lot of overlap. But it'll be the enthusiasts that unravel the like parts as I'm pretty sure the part numbers will change slightly for respective model lines.

More STI level parts please.

Your current wheels will work (even aftermarket 17” units in place of the optional 18” the new car has), and I got a 80% confirmation on suspension parts - namely your old coilovers will work but sway bars, end links, etc might not.

Preview from Everyday Driver

I asked the Toyota reps a lot about this with varied certainty on some answers...

I ignored engine/exhaust quesitons assuming most wouldn't work being this is a different drivetrain. I figure this stuff would be a suprise bonus if it did carry over.

Wheels will work - the car is going to come with 17x7 again on the base model, and 17x8 on the premium trim. The 5x100 is sticking around again, and there isn't any issue with the premium being fit with 17" wheels (i.e. brake clearance).

The suspension pickup points are SEEMINGLY identical. The team confirmed this, so coilovers should work on the new car. The weight changes in the new car are very minor so I would assume that this would work without any detriment.

HOWEVER, the rear sway bar assembly/mounting/etc are very different - those won't work on the new car (no word on the front sway bar).

All in all, wheels and coilovers seem to work just fine which (lets be honest) are the really expensive parts we don't WANT to buy again. I feel that's pretty good, all things considered.

Ha! That's my article. Thanks for sharing!!!

Curious if BBKs for 1st gen will fit and work correctly (wrt brake bias, etc.).

I believe they've changed the front knuckles to be aluminum?

https://youtu.be/fdTly6KQ1go

This vid shows & explain a lot of info on what parts are from 1st gen vs new gen.


& some have asked. Yes, wheel bolt pattern is 5x100. In the vid, Blitz staff even confirm his info as well.

Look at all those fasteners on the duckbill. I wish I knew Japanese.

Yeah, def not fun taking that duckbill off... Blitz guy said just rip it hard as you can lol

At what time in the video?

Right around the 50:30 mark

@ichitaka05 In that blitz video, are the rear LCA shown stock, or did blitz do those? Also if all the other press release stuff is to be believed, that looks like a BRZ chassis with a GR86 body on top.

LCA they had is a stock, but they used Low Magic by the knuckle to help lower 30mm. Well, GR86/new BRZ chassis is same chassis w current gen. They just reinforced the bottom and lighten the top. It's pretty much same thing as 400Z & 370Z.

I got up close and personal with one of the new cars on display at the track this weekend and the front and rear brakes look identical to stock. Maybe they have a different mounting but I'm doubting it.
So I'm thinking aftermarket bbk will be just fine.

Exhaust is identical too. Only question is still the header.

No spare tire. Just the foam tray to fit where a spare would go with tire goop kit, and a fewer trunk tools.

Engine bay looks pretty identical too. Small aftermarket parts like hood struts, master cylinder brace, strut brace, etc will likely swap over.

Suspension definitely looks the same. I'm thinking everything will swap over as far as coilovers, RLCA's, and front swaybar is probably the same too. Rear is questionable, but I think it may fit also.

Personal opinion, they changed a Lot with the styling, electronics, and engine. The remainder of the mechanical parts seem nearly identical.

Right. But, at 40:39 in the video it shows the rear ARB as the BRZ has it installed. Earlier in the video you can see the aluminum steering knuckles in the front also. I'm going to take a wag and say that the GR86 they have is a very early production model that went out before Toyota made their changes.

Pretty sure that's the case.

Oh sorry, idk why but somehow I thought everyone knew all 6 brands (including Blitz) got was prototype GR86 & not a final production GR86. They got em in Nov last year and was going to present TAS, but that never happened, so they show it off in 86 Style. Several things have changed & even Blitz guy stated that they’ll have to do final adjust for the aftermarket production when final version comes out.

Great article. So would you expect the same HP/TQ bump from an E85 tune on the new engine as the old one? To me this is the big question as it puts the new car just a few HP away from the output of a low psi F.I.FA20 but with more linear power delivery.

Looking to see about 250-260BHP/240BTQ (230WHP/220WTQ)with e85 on the FA24. In my eyes, that would definitely make the new car worth the upgrade for anyone that doesn't have F.I. already installed in the old car.

Do they confirm in the Blitz video anywhere that suspension pickup points are the same? Looking to get some coilovers ordered for my 22 :)

They just said, they're almost same... so I'm assuming they're fraction different.

Chassis looks similar to me with some small revisions.

"Similar" unfortunately is not same as. The small revisions can really mess with things. Like the 2013 to 17 exhausts that almost fit the post facelift cars. They can be altered to work but don't quite do it off the shelf. This of course can be amplified in things like suspension where a number of small changes can start to add up.