How many Plan to get a GR86 as a weekend/track only car
 

Just curious are most of you planning to get one as your daily driver or just another toy in the stable?

I might turn current my daily into a track car... Not sure if I want to smash up a brand new every week.

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I'm wanting one but not quite ready to jump back into a finance deal. Mine is paid off.

Pending seeing it in person and test drive...

I plan on buying a new one to daily and...

putting an Edelbrock supercharger on the old one!

I might, but will probably wait for a year or two.

• We have no idea about the reliability of the FA24
• Don't necessarily want to be among the first to figure out things like oil cooling, etc.
• Want a good deal on Brembos :) ~$1500 for PP was a steal.
• It will take the local 86DC group a few years to gather enough 2nd gens to have good competition.
  This year there's a lot of 1st gens competing in the Stock and Street classes, making those events really fun to participate in!

good points! I just miss being on the track with 3 pedals! Dont get me wrong, blasting down the straights with my V8 on full blast is amazing, but I miss the pure joy of technical driving. I've always liked the 1st gens but this new GR is more my style, love the subtle improvements they've made with the platform and excited for the future of where the 86 name plate is headed.

It's a Subaru. Of course it's not reliable

Sure, the question is how much :)

I'd have to dodge the 2022's for a 2023...and in 2 years timeframe I feel like the C7 Corvette will be a great bargain, so I have that in first place for a next car.

Since the second generation is really growing on me, the wife and I decided to wait a few years, get the 2nd generation and keep it as a weekend toy/occasional track car.

I just got a first gen so nope.
Didn't want to wait for second gen either.

And in either case it was going to be a daily so not a weekend warrior or track only.

This. I feel pretty confident with the FA24 reliability in the Ascent, but we'll still have to see how it pans out. I'll wait for the Performance Pack car, as I will not have another dual duty car without Brembos. The ease of changing pads in like 5 minutes is just so powerful.

Two more points that matter to me:

-How the 22+ BRZ/86 will be classed in SCCA TT?

If it remains in S6/T4 then it will basically break time trials for a year. It will be utterly dominant in both if it remains how the old one was classed.

-How will the 22+ BRZ/86 respond to basic mods?

If the future car takes to E85/headers as well as the current one does, and we can net 220 whp I'd be a very happy customer.

I don’t think I will be at this stage. My 2013 BRZ only has 31,000kms on it and I’ve lightly modified it to my liking. I just don’t need a new car and if I bought a new one I’d end up modifying it again anyway. Also my wife has a 2008 Mazda 3 SP23, so she’s due for a new car before me, I don’t think it’d go down too well if I got a new car first lol.

If I had an accident and it was a write off and I needed a new car it’d be between this (GR 86/Gen 2 BRZ), a GR Yaris or a used Boxster/Cayman. But I think it’d likely come down to the GR Yaris or Gen 2 twin as the Caymans/Boxsters in my price range would be a bit long in the tooth. But test driving all 3 would be fun.

I’ve registered my interest with Subaru so I think I’ll still get to test drive the new twin though.

The obvious solution is… your wife should get a gen 2 twin! ;)

Definitely!

I can’t see myself trading my still relatively new 370Z in for a gen 2 twin anytime soon (love the Z) but I will definitely take a gen 2 twin for a test drive when I can. Who knows, maybe they will tempt me into one. We’ll see. :D

Lol, nah she hates the ride in my car but does love the look of it. Plus one of the cars needs to carry the dog and it’s not my car!

Step 1: Sell old wife

Step 2: Buy new 86

Step 3: Find younger lady; re-marry

BOOM! New wife, new car :bonk:

You missed

Step 4. Lose 50% of your assets.

But luckily I’m happy with both models, the wife and the car. :)

I am more interested in Step 1!
Any idea who is buying? Do they give a quote without inspection? Is it a no returns sort of thing? I have had mine for 41 years and it is sort of worn out even with performing the regular maintenance.
By selling instead of trading in you would not have to worry about Step 4.

You also forgot Step 5. Same old problems.

And thats when they stop doing it up the butt.

Meh. I would buy a ND2 if I bought another new car in this segment

wanting to buy is one thing and ability to buy is another.
currently my finances cannot afford me such luxury:thumbdown:

my 13 is paid off 5 years ago. i am getting 21 Cayenne for wife so not for another new car. maybe 911 in 5 years

But, why ?

Soon™ electric vehicles will be SO good that nobody is going to want to waste money on antiquated internal combustion engine cars.

i like old school

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Me too. My other post was dripping with sarcasm in case you didn't catch it.

I think as a regular family car shitbox, electric makes a lot of sense. I mean all cars will weight 4000 pounds, but its fast in a straight line.

For sports cars though... Its a terrible situation, I mean when even a family car will be 0-60 in <3 seconds, where exactly do you go to make yourself stand out as a drivers car...?

Handling? @4000 lbs there will be a fair amount of money spent to make something chuckable Lol. Its certainly not going to be sound, or power delivery, or anything really visceral that defines what a sports car is (in my opinion anyway).

I mean I question whether or not people will see driving a car as something to be enjoyed in the future at all.

Progress right? Hehe. One day they will probably outlaw your car if it doesn't do the driving for you lol.

cant justify myself getting EV because why do i need to wait 30min for supercharging?

local daily for EV make sense though

The average American drives 30 miles a day. This means that you have to get really high into the upper end of things before charging would be an issue. Lets say that you could go as high as 80% of drivers being able to do the majority of their driving and never have to stop just to charge the battery.
If I had the ability to charge a car at work electric would make perfect sense even though I drive at the higher end of the distance scale.
There are very, very, few people that would ever need to drive an EV to the full distance of a charge in one go. Most would have loads of time to charge if the ability to do so was at the home or workplace.

That's where I fall, and why I'm considering it for my next DD, as long as I keep an ICE for the good amount of driving I do outside the round-trip range of an EV.

I can charge at home for free, as long as I do it overnight. I can charge at work for free. My average work day is a minimum of 80 miles, to a max of about 150 miles. That accounts for about 19,000 to 20,000 miles a year.

There is another 8,000 to 10,000 miles a year I drive that I would not do in an EV as it is all outside the round-trip range, but I own multiple cars anyway so that is covered.

If I bought a 2021 Chevy Bolt, for example, which could be had for around $22,000 right now with dealer cash back, the ROI from gas savings alone would cover the cost of the car in 10 years compared to the FRS, and 5 years if I was driving my Suburban full time. It is a boring car though.

Right now, there isn't an EV that has the right mix of range, looks, performance and price for me. I suspect that won't be an issue for much longer.

Oh the charging thing sucks hard. I fear what the world looks like when its holiday time and people can't 'RTB' on a single charge.

Can you imagine the line around the blocks waiting for charging stations... hehe.

I'm a big fan of hybrid battery and hydrogen. You don't need a big battery for most day to day stuff, and hydrogen for long trips - its more like your usual fill-up time too at a service station - 3mins.

But yeah whats the chances of that perfect world happening.

Yea I'm on Team H as well, but I think that ship may have sailed for personal transportation. I do think it may still have a chance in long-haul trucking, etc.

I know its at a much larger scale but how many times can you charge an EV before the battery capacity deteriorates?

My iphone is down to like 72% overall capacity and its really starting to eat into battery life. I almost have to keep it plugged in all time now in order to avoid phantom discharging. Not to mention the thing just doesnt like cold weather anymore and will completely die until its warmed up again.....

Well, if you go by the warranty, it looks like a battery should be good for up to 100K to 120K miles and still have at minimum 70% of its original capacity. You figure they build in some level of protection into that percentage for themselves.

Here is Tesla's warranty page.

And here is a blogger that documented a 8.3% decline in his Chevy Bolt over 100,000 miles.

That's about right. Here's another article with some good data that I saw posted before.
https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla...n-replacement/

Hydrogen might still yet be the way -

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...pply-of-cobalt

"A team of scientists has written to the Committee of Climate Change warning that if the UK’s 31.5 million cars are replaced by electric vehicles by 2050, as is currently planned by the Government, this will require almost twice the current annual global supply of cobalt.

The researchers have also calculated that based on the latest ‘811’ battery technology (80 per cent nickel, 10 per cent cobalt, 10 per cent manganese), UK demand for EV batteries will require almost the total amount of neodymium produced globally each year, three quarter’s of the world’s lithium, and “at least half” of the world’s copper.

• Cobalt: the electric car's dirty secret

The letter, authored by a team of eight scientists headed by the Natural History Museum’s head of earth sciences, professor Richard Herrington, explains that to replace the UK’s cars with EVs will require 207,900 tonnes of cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate and “at least” 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, as well as 2,362,500 tonnes of copper.

Furthermore, the Committee on Climate Change, an independent statutory body established under the Climate Change Act 2008, has previously called for all new cars and vans to be zero-emission by 2035. Professor Herrington and his colleagues estimate that to make the (roughly) 2.5 million new cars sold each year in the UK electric “will require the UK to annually import the equivalent of the entire annual cobalt needs of European industry.”"