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2023 Cadillac Lyriq
Cadillac did an actual reveal of the new EV Lyriq crossover this week. The more I see, the more I like. What I'm really surprised by the most was the listed starting price of under $60K.
Things I like: The 33" display similar to the new Escalade SuperCruise 300+ Mile Range All the funky lighting It looks like a traditional car on the inside. Things I don't like: It's a crossover. it could replace our Suburban though. First orders taken in 09/21 and will ship as a 2023 in 1H22. Quote:
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I told some of my friends that Cadillac’s design cues would be the easiest to translate to EV amongst the quasi-luxury vehicles.
This one looks good. My only issue is that ressembles too much Focus Mk2 (european) on the side profile. Let’s see how the market will react, this the best one so far. Also, I liked the solution to keep the airflow attached on the back section. Let me try to find a picture of that. |
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Please don't say they actually made the grill light up... Not only is that tacky, but I hate to think how it looks when one of the light elements is damaged...
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The interesting part is the base price on this is less than, say a used 2017 CTS-V, which are going for between $65K and $75K right now. Lowest I've seen in a month is a 2016 with 87K miles for $57K.
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I saw similar when I was looking between the Camaro and Brz, the one from Chevy rose in price to a point that did not make sense to me. CT6 platinum is one of the nicest I drove on this class (4.2 TT). |
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Who the fuck names these things? Same think tank that names prescription drugs?
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"Lyriq is in essence, the embodiment of harmony, right down to the patterning on the tread of the tire, like a metronome ticking, as art on a canvas, precise, confident, this is the essence we will explore" I mean I know the speaker is a designer, but geez, how many times do you have to say that before you can do it with a straight face. And that is one of the more tame ones. I will say though, I like the Cadillac signature on the tires. Too bad you'll lose that eventually. |
I sold new Cadillacs in the summer/fall of '88 when I was 24. Five in my first month. Beginner's luck.
The dealership was in a rough part of town and they referred to it as the jewel in the jungle. It's been townhouses for 25 years now. The best though was the next door neighbours, a giant bathroom tissue factory. Good neigbourhood. The capacitive touch controls Caddys had were horrendous and they are phased out now. That's the first thing I couldn't unsee in those cars. If depreciation isn't a huge concern, for example a lease allowance and not too long a term, they are usually ok except the service calls might get a bit much as a result of typical cost reduced components that corrode, misshapen, unstick, discolour. And GM had over 50% share of the Canadian passenger vehicle market in the 70's! I'd take a C8. Only problem, be it first world or otherwise, is that they do look cheap in some way compared to some really expensive cars. My brother-in-law drives a Ferrari Portofino and he parked next to a black C8 and sent me a pic and I just picture one car with fine leather and the other one smelling like a Windex with ammonia D lol. But, if it held its value I'd get one. GM for big SUVs and trucks is a strong contender. The thing with hybrid/electric is there isn't really any savings unless you drive enough, so it better be cool and convenient. I'm not enthused about the Prius but a well integrated electrified system can be good in any type of vehicle. |
Lyriq goes up for preorders tomorrow (Saturday 9/18) @ 4:00PM EDT. Will be interesting to see how long it takes it to sell out, assuming it does.
https://www.cadillac.com/electric/lyriq |
My TV that I watched from clear across the room for 25 years was 26" diagonal.
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I wonder how cheap these used EVs will be in the future. For the wife who doesn't need a stick or sporty car, this is going to be nice. EVs should be plentiful and functional for a long time. An old EV appeals to me more than an old car. The batteries should last long enough. The suspension might take a hit from the weight, but the cars should be on the road for a long time. Assuming they aren't designed to be obsolete, they should be cheap and plentiful. I think of my BRZ is eight years old, and it doesn't look old, but these things won't look old for fifteen years because they are so futuristic looking.
I feel like some things reach a pinnacle and then stop advancing. Random example would be CGI. They can make it so good now that it is virtually impossible to tell the difference between CGI and a real image, especially for background effects on top of a real image. The quality of the CGI in a movie is now more about the budget of the film than the ability to make something look realistic. Even low budget TV shows can have decent CGI. In a similar way, electric cars will probably hit a point where more range or performance is either not needed or requires much more money than necessary. Used EVs will have good enough touch screens with optically HD screens that can't really improve a whole lot more. The progress will be in autonomous driving or voice commands or something more futuristic, but take this Cadillac, in ten years, it will still look modern enough and will have plenty of amenities and range will likely be fine enough, but the price will probably be cheap. Unless battery tech makes something charge much faster, have dramatic more range, be much lighter, the performance and reliability factor will make these things last a long time on the road, which means they should get cheap. I remember watching this one Youtube video talking about an area in Eastern Europe where everyone drives luxury cars, and it isn't because they are rich, but they all drive BMWs and Mercedes because the used market and aging cars created a price stratification that allowed anyone to own a luxury vehicle, and either people chose these used, luxury vehicles over newer, economy/cheap vehicles, or cheap cars weren't an option; I think it was more of a choice than an option. People seemed to just fix up luxury vehicles. There is little appeal of driving an old luxury car that breaks down, but I can imagine older EVs being an easier sell, especially if the MMI is updated with OTA updates. I can imagine many people owning depreciated EVs that are still excellent cars and are perfectly reliable. |
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Looking at Carvana a 2017 Chevy Bolt (a relatively well rated and practical EV with over a 200 mile range) is listed now for $17,990 for an LT and $21,990 for a Premium version. This is after the recent facelift so it's technically a Gen1 car. Those list prices for these were $37,495/$41,780. That means they have depreciated by 52%/47% in 4 years. These examples are low mileage cars (under $30K) and the battery is still under warranty. Cadillac, in general, holds it's value a little better than Chevy but not by much. The exception is the V series, which tends to hold its value way too well. The bottom list on the Lyriq is supposed to be around $60,000 although I guess we'll have to see later today if you can get a "launch" one for that price. If you could pick one up in 4 years for between $35,000 and $45,000 I would say that would be a hell of a good buy. EVs in general should not have the aging issues of ICE. Basically the drivetrain should not be an issue, so past consumables, what else is there? Even if the battery falls to 50% after warranty, you're still looking at over a 150 mile range. |
Well, that was quick. Looks like the reservations sold out in less than 30 minutes or so. Could have been faster, I just didn't log in to look until about 40 minutes after it started.
Was actually considering making a reservation but I guess I lost on that one (or was saved by the bell, not sure which). |
Looks like I was wrong, it sold out in about 10 minutes. The site was overwhelmed and a lot of potential customers cried "foul" as they couldn't get through the checkout process fast enough to get in.
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Cadillac did the right way, release a small amount of vehicles that they can build very carefully and same time get the hype train going.
Nice car, nice plan and nice marketing |
Given the computer chip shortage, and that EVs require considerably more chips than ICU cars, I would say they're only building (initially) an amount they can guarantee to have chip supply for.
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On a semi-related note, it looks like Cadillac has started shipping the CT5-V Blackwing. I got a notice from a local dealer that they have two in stock. Sticker from one of them.
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Looks like Cadillac will be opening up orders for the Lyriq earlier than expected, as early as March. Also, the preorders of the Launch Edition (mentioned above) have been determined to be 1,500 in the US and 5,000 in China.
Interesting they are skipping the reservations stage, and going straight to orders. |
What's good for GM is ...
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As you may have "As Seen on TV" Lyriq orders are opening up tomorrow (05/19/2022). I had signed up as a "person of interest" and received an early link today (05/18/2022) at 1PM Eastern to pre-order the car.
I put my $100 reservation down on a 500HP AWD version to be delivered "early 2023". Still have to finalize the order with the local Cadillac dealer to nail down any options and colors but at this point I'm on the list. The 500HP AWD version is a $2,000 option on the 2-wheel drive version. No brainer there. This is my consolation prize from recognizing I would not be getting a CT5-V (or even a CTS-V) anytime soon for a reasonable price. I'm gambling that if I go through the purchase it will likely hold most it's value for at least 24 months. |
In case anyone is interested, this is the 2023 brochure. Caution, serious marketing fluff ahead.
They did add two colors. Tricolor white and Blue metallic. I'll likely go with the Blue. The car doesn't have enough black accents to make the white work. Satin Steel would be my second choice but its a good distance one. I've seen the blue on several different vehicles and its a nice color. |
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If you look around at all the new EV products...they're ALL using this somewhat slapped on looking doublewide dash screen design theme (which seems to have taken over from the slapped on tablet look) Even some ICE are going this route....(looking at you BMW) Its making ALL car interiors look the same....... |
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Just my opinion of course. I absolutely hated the way the Mach E looked internally, as well as all the Teslas. This, to me, looks like a real car. Interior shot from sort of head backseat level. |
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Talked with the dealer last night and my "preorder" is in. 500HP, AWD, Blue with Noir (dark gray) interior and 20" wheels (no 22" low profiles for me thanks). Final configuration order will be in August, with a deliver in Q1 2023.
Right now, it is not known what other options will be available, including Super Cruise. They've had to pull Super Cruise from the Escalade and the GMC Denali high level trims because of chip shortages. I'm about 70% on the final order at this time. Some other things under consideration before full commit, including if there is any dealer tomfoolery with the price. The FRS will stay in the stable but would likely be demoted to weekend toy since I can charge and drive the EV "for free" to work (I can charge at work for free right outside my window). I do think it's odd that basically the only real color choice they are offering is very close to Ford Blue |
Well that went fast. Cadillac has pre-orders for the entire 2023 model (22,000 units). They are now taking persons for a waiting list.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...ve-189256.html |
I’m curious to see how much of the lyriq will be donated over to the prologue. It might be a funny situation to see similar interiors.
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Why buy a Cadillac when you can have the exact same Honda? (assuming they are sharing more than just a platform) I suppose it'll be like the Toyota/Subaru Bz4X/Solterra and the Lexus RZ450e situation....but then Lexus has differentiated the makes enough so that a Lexus feels like a Lexus and a Toyota feels like a Toyota (as is the case with all the Lexus models that share a platform with its Toyota parent) |
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I also believe the Honda is smaller than the Lyriq, but I could be wrong. GM's Ultium platform is very scalable, from compact up to the Hummer. |
I like Cadillacs for what they represent, but I see not many around where I live. They were a really well made car on a par with the high end European models in their earlier days but they became associated with obesity and older people driving south to FL for the winter.
I hope they do a good job of electrification. The rest of the stuff, blinking lights and automation; Cadillac, Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, whatever appeals to you. It's a luxury car. Resale value has become absurd on some cars including my low use 2018 STI which apparently has only lost 25% of its value in 5 years. Sometimes buying in on a pre-order of a high end car can result in super resale for the first 2 years, I know a former car dealer who would pre-order a loaded Yukon Denali knowing he could sell it with ease whenever he wanted back in the early 2000's. But this vehicle is more unknown and untested, it could be a gamble if this vehicle somehow fails to perform. Let's face it, the bar set for electrification is Tesla, so it shouldn't be difficult to determine how it compares after some time. Apparently the Model Y outsold the Accord last year !?!?!?! An older Chinese man goes to the opthomologist and after the exam the doctor say to the old man, " You have a cataract", to which the elderly man replies, " Actually, I have a Rincoln Continental!" Interesting fact: the final drive ratio in an electric vehicle is usually approx 7:1 The electric motors spin at more than 2x the RPMs of a gas motor. Tesla uses a carbon bearing sleeve (not the proper technical term) to allow the motor to operate at these RPMs for a long life withstanding friction wear. . |
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