Toyota GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II To Debut At Nurburgring 24
 

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Toyota GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II
 

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Toyota GRMN Sport Hybrid Concept II Revealed; “Next Step” in Hybrid Sports Car Development
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New MR2? Toyota GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II to Hit the ‘Ring
 

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Toyota to Show New GRMN Hybrid Concept at Nürburgring
 

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That is actually really cool looking! Would be cool to see them bring back the mr-s. So VH supra u gona be news man here just like HI?

That's gonna be $$$$$$.

Thanks for sharing though - pretty cool. Gives me something to look forward to in July.

nope, the admin here doesn't like me :(

The look might have to grow on some folks but definitely a step in the right direction. Thanks for sharing VH! :happy0180:

The first thing I thought was the exposed headlights and how much wind resistance that would factor in.

AUTOMATIC FTL :(

So that's the thing hidden under MR-S prototype? Saahweet

Nice... but 1500kg is unacceptable. WTF.

I think that figure is grossly overestimated. The Concept I, which uses the the older 3.3L V6 driving the rear but with a more powerful electric motor driving the front, pumping out 400hp together, weighed 2,860lbs (1,297kg).

The Concept II with the newer 3.5L V6 and less powerful electric motor should weigh less than that.

Notice the engine is 2GR-FXE. Atkinson cycle...on a performance vehicle? Really?... That said 245hp from an Atkinson cycle 3.5L isn't too bad, seeing how the regular 2GR doesn't make much more than that. I don't really understand the motive though. If they really want part load efficiency and performance, they need Valvematic on a V6. Tuning that sort of engine would make more sense.

And @RRnold yea the lights seem pretty bad for aerodynamics. I somehow feel like this design is just for show, it doesn't seem like a serious performance car to me. They could do much better than this. The styling is cool though, just cover the lights, make it hardtop or something.

Ooooo Me likie.

Toyota to reveal GRMN Hybrid concept at Nürburgring 24
 

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I know, and while I agree, I've learnt to temper my expectations wrt Toyota future products. I'd rather be pessimistic and get pleasantly surprised than optimistic and severely let down.


Agreed.

looks like it could be an S2k rival only if the S2k was around

p.s. MN originally stood for Morizo-Naruse ... Morizo is Toyadas Pseudonym.

Also, Naruse was called the "Nur meister" meaning, one and only master a nickname he got for being the BOSS, not only at the nurburgring, but on many other tracks... some say he's the only man who new all the worlds roads (STIG pun not wholly intended)

How could they butcher that bit of history?

**rolls eyes**

According to MotorTrend (see page 1) the name of the concept really stands for Gazoo Racing Meister of Nürburgring, with Meister of Nürburgring being Hiromu Naruse of course. I don't think anyone butchered that bit of history.

True. I just did a quick calculation--given that the MR-S that this concept is based on originally weighed 996kg, that the weight difference between the RX350 and the RX450h (which has the same powertrain as this concept) is 140kg, and that the weight difference between the Auris 1.8 and the Blade 3.5 is 210kg (using Auris/Blade here because it's the only Toyota model with both 1.8 and 3.5 options), the GRMN Concept II should weigh around 996 + 140 + 210 = 1356kg (which is actually heavier than the Concept I, unlike what I first thought).

Very cool idea. I bet if they simplify the headlights/tail lights and then take off those fins/splitters/diffusers from the front/back bumpers they could probably appeal to a lot more people. It'd look sort of like an s2000 and an italian supercar had an awesome child.

And I'm telling you what the MN in GRMN means. It's not as if this is the first Gazoo car or concept. All their Concepts have been GRMN xxx xxx.

I'm not waiting till like 2017 for this car haha.

Reminds me of a Spyker a bit.

As for the 245 hp, is that the gas motor alone? Because that's pretty weak if it's combined with the electric one.

Yea it says 295hp peak so 245 is just the gas motor. Which really isn't if you think about it, it's an FXE Atkinson cycle, which I think is designed to take in 20-30% less air (didn't look into it). 245hp max compared to 260-270 on a typical 2GR-FE on most vehicles, where they actually try to wring out as much torque as they can. However I think they need to get off their asses and get Valvematic rolling in faster, as that is the best of both worlds. Efficiency when you want it, more torque when you don't :)

Toyota To Unveil GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II at Nurburgring 24 Hours
 

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Toyota GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II Declared
 

Toyota GRMN Sports Concept II - lightweight, 295 bhp hybrid convertible
 

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I BERRY RIKE.

Sounds $$$ though. :(

I don't see how this can come to market. It's a Porsche killer that would cost a lot of money to produce. It's a fun teaser concept, but when they face reality it will slowly disappear.

I can see Honda doing something like this, but not Toyota.

Hmmm they said this would debut at the Nurburgring...but I can't seem to find any more info on it? That's pretty lame...

This car could be something, although they probably need to spice the engine up a bit more (higher revs? :D)

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Toyota has been toying with the idea of a hybrid sports car for awhile. It's only a matter of time before they release it, I think based either on the 2007 FT-HS concept or this MR2 hybrid concept. And last time I checked Toyota sales way more hybrids than Honda.

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If I'm wrong, you can tell me, "I told you so." I think it's a teaser concept to keep the racer interested and with their tongue hanging out.

Honda has most of the youth street racers and Honda knows this. A car like this would keep those racers happy.

Honda car meets, in LA, at night usually get broken up by the police after a few meets. The Honda crowd shows up and it's rowdy with burn outs and a gang like atmosphere. The police has a special squad that look for stolen cars or parts. These are for the most part young people, under thirty.

Idk, why would they spend all this time and money on these hybrid concepts if they aren't going to released. I'm sure Toyota doesn't enjoy throwing away money.

Have you seen the crap that Honda is putting out right now? Have you seen the turn Toyota is making back towards sport oriented cars? I really don't know what a bunch of hooning ricers have to do with what either company is going to do, but okay. Honda right now seems to be trying to become what Toyota became at the end of the 90's/turn of the decade. They've turned in their man card and street cred for a green Halo.

Toyota tends not to make frivolous concepts. If they preview something, they usually build it, sooner or later, few exceptions. The Mid Engined hybrid sports car concept is something they have been at for a while. A mule was caught testing at the Nurburgring way back in 2004. There was the Volta concept that same year, then the GRMN Sports hybrid concept, and now this year, their Sports hybrid concept II. That's an awful lot of development work for something "they aren't going to build", while Honda is stuck ****ing around with whether or not they should make an more powerful edgier CR-Z (hint Honda... just do it).

The powertrain in the FT-HS, is pretty much the same as the Lexus GS 450h. So yeah, the desire to build a hybrid sports car is there, I dunno why the heck they are sitting on their laurels to let Porsche and Ferrari beat them to the punch (not that they'd be in the same market segment, but still...). I just hope they don't let that sick roof of the FT-HS concept go to waste, not the incredible wheel design, CF or not.

It's a Porsche killer and a teaser concept to keep the racer boys happy. If Toyota enters that segment, Porsche and makers like them will up the ante.

Toyota is a high volume, low price producer. This concept would not make it pass the bean counters because it does not fit their formula.

Toyota has the LFA, which really is an enigma, but it is a Lexus.

Well, we agree to disagree.

Why cant I find any updated articles, pictures, vids on this car from the Nur 24? :iono: