And the hate goes on!!
 

I guess some people are just stupid and find it hard to understand this is not a drag car period. Its a lightweight good handling car that is meant for twisty roads. The guy that posted that fb status is a drag fan and is building a 800whp supra i just feel bad for him since his car is always broken down :lol:. Every idiot in drag central city san antonio asks me how much HP it has and when i tell them its a NA Boxer with 200hp they are like wtf. They dont understand the boxer engine has a lower center of gravity and the power to weight ratio of the car is perfect. The cars power + handling capabilities of the chassis make it a blast to drive around the twisty stuff. I did not buy this car thinking of drag racing i bought it for corners period, took a friend for a ride yesterday to twisted sisters which is a very twisty canyon road and man he could not believe the amount of grip the little car had, posted on his facebook a pic of my car with the legend: This little car is a boss around corners. He said my exit speeds on corners were a lot faster than his modded 370z. Im done explaining to idiots this is not a drag car!!:thumbdown:

Any ways here is what the other idiot on facebook had to say, posted a video of me chasing an m3 and eventually passing him. Some people just forget there are cars that are built for everything if i wanted a drag car i would have gotten american muscle.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...o350z/fr-s.jpg




Here is the vid i posted on his FB page lol
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpxebdWgyU4"]2013 FR-S @ The Track & VS e92 M3 - YouTube[/ame]

And the drama goes on!!


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...350z/fr-s2.jpg

chill pill. horse dead. what people think=who cares

It is difficult however, to not get frustrated.

There is always a subset of people that will hate on anything that is popular. It could be the second coming and they would find something to complain about.

I just hate living in a City full of drag idiots who judge car by how much power it puts down!! Im thinking of moving my business to Austin that way i have 3 racetracks near by no more 40+ minute drives. Its funny i took a friend who is into drag racing to my local track and got him in as a guest, i gave him a ride in my car first and he was acting all tough saying man this is easy why do you say its hard blah blah blah. Next we did a lead follow and i was constantly having to slow down so his high powered evo could catch up since the thing had so much lag after that he said he could have easily passed me, i told him to go ahead of me and i would follow him now trying to stay on his rear bumper....... Next thing you know he over speeds into a corner having massive understeer then he punches the gas and as soon as his turbo kicked in he was in the dirt. I just laughed and laughed and repeated the same lemma over and over "Straight lines are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers" lol. ( This was in a c63 btw i was not in the fr-s.)

just to be clear, the vette he suggested will outhandle the frs

Cant beat the fun part in having a cheap to maintain track car. Corvettes will require more expensive routine maintenance and ive seen a couple of them blow up at the track all ready. And he is talking about straight lines he prob has never seen a corner in his life. Other people that are into drag always suggest why not buy a 240sx with a ls swap bro, or why didnt you just get an evo bro its faster.

Im guessing since you dont own an fr-s yet you dont understand the joy this thing brings when pushing it around a track, doesnt matter if the corvette is a million times faster the fr-s will be more rewarding at the end of the day. And yes i have driven a corvette my biggest complain is how the shifter feels and how nervous it can get when the road gets bumpy. So far my only complain in the FR-S is the slight lack of power on corner exits which can be fixed with simple bolt ons and a better power curve brought by a tune.

like who cares ! u get whatever u like period..... I had a camaro before cause I liked the feel of the power going straight and by the way, racing is not all about power btw there's always gonna be haters

Wow I know exactly how you feel! I was in Abilene (also full of drag racers) with my S2K and it was pretty frustrating being around the drag crowd. I tried not to care though and just kept going to the track in Cresson (Motorsports Ranch). If they ever talk crap to you again just invite them to the track and show them what the FR-S could do with a better driver :D

dont get me wrong, i get it. my previous track cars were a miata, ae86 and crx. im just saying i would be weary about using terms like cog and handling around corvettes. the biggest argument for cars of this nature are cost to run which to me is the most important. while that makes them better options in my opinion, it doesnt mean what that guy said was wrong.

I just think it makes it wrong because his other comments before that were FR-Slow etc, when i have no trouble keeping up with higher powered cars around a track. :D And dont think he has an idea that corvettes can be tossed around corners i think he meant it power wise.

i dont doubt his ignorance but even a broken clock is right twice a day. i feel like youre going to have a tough time in texas until you learn to ignore those guys

Stock for stock, a Vette will definitely out handle an FR-S. You know what's better than owning a vette though? Owning a house outright in California. I love the people that own $45k-75k cars but have to park in spot 103 under a pergola in their apartment complex with three roommates. They're idiots that will always be poor.

I'll keep saving my money.

If you're trying to fight on Facebook battles do the unthinkable... be grammatically correct. You lacked this in your argument. Proof read next time.

the guy was talking about getting a used one for the same money and even if he wasnt, little bit of a slippery slope dont you think? why spend 27k on a car when you can spend 3k on an na miata? id rather save my money. at any price point there are going to be people out of their price range. im confident there are more people out of their price range with the frs than there are with corvettes

Cheapest corvette around here is 30k, has 50k miles and is 6 years old. That's just a base corvette. Doesn't seem like a valid comparison. Regardless, you'll spend significantly more on insurance and consumables for what is a used car.

Huh? Cant seem to find a mistake except i put remeber instead of remember just a typo. I did not capitalize and other minor stuff. Dont know what u are complaining about grammar cop. English is my second language btw.

Btw its proofread not proof read!! I can play this game too if you want.

Psychologically speaking, i often find it humorous when other men turn cars into a kind of pro forma d*ck-measuring contest. When i hear guys talking about their billion-horsepower machines, condescending to anyone with less than a nuclear reactor under their hoods, i tend to think, "Mm, you're right-- i am pathetic-- if only i'd had your unmet childhood emotional needs i would've seen it sooner; I guess it's too bad my father loved me."

you will spend less insuring a corvette while consumables will be expensive but your same exact argument could be made for my miata over your frs. and for the record, a base vette is still better than the frs

For some reason i am biased to light weight and i hate american cars so i would rather not comment on why i think the FR-S is a better car all around. I guess different strokes for different folks? :D

"better" is very subjective term
for the record..

No matter what car a person buys, they're are gonna be haters.... unless it's the same car they have.

"minus well" nothing else needs to be said.

Agreed, although I do like just about any Corvette. Closest thing to a "supercar" I would ever put my hard money down on.

[Climbing on soapbox]
All that said, I'm just happy that at some point in my life I managed to grow past all this petty crap about who's car is better/worse than mine. I always just respond to this kind of thing with "if I had wanted a <name item here> that's what I would have bought. Enjoy yours."

I think that's why I don't race, even though I know I enjoy it (my Dad was a dirt track stock car guy and I had my chances). To me its all about how the car makes me feel and how we "bond". Nothing else matters.
[/Climbing off soapbox]

i know but i dont think the frs is old enough to give it enough weight to compete yet. i would say that the biggest argument the car can make is reliability but it cant make that statement yet as its only a couple months old

I just checked autotrader, and 27K will get you an LS3 vette with about 65k+ miles. Definitely good bang for your buck, and the closest thing to a supercar for the price, but it's a bit past what I'd consider lightly used. Also, does anybody buying an 86 actually think they're getting a supercar? It seems like the detractors are misinterpreting excitement.

Compared to a used vette, I'd say it's fair to give reliability to the 86 since it's on warranty. Used car loans also have higher interest rates.

And thats 27k plus taxes!!

Let's pretend the braking and handling is groundbreaking, rather than merely on par with a 12 year old 7th gen Celica GT-S... ok, now face the reality that the car is slow. Crushing deffeats where you trail behind every other car on the track is not a victory.

Anyone serious about tracking the car -- even if they are fine with the lack of torque -- will need to upgrade the brakes, tires, etc. Get over it and stop getting in pissing contests. The meaning of "entry level" sports car, it seems, is slow ouut of the box but with great potential.

Sink another 5 to 10 grand into it, and it will be awesome. Out of the box, pretty, modestly powerred, fairly nimble, but overall slow.

Save up, make it fast. At least its a better platform than a 10 yr old Civic...

The idea of dumping $30k of my hard earned money on just a used car doesn't sit well with me. I test drove a C4 and a couple C5 Corvettes before I resoundingly chose my BRZ. The BRZ felt tighter/smoother/crisper. I wonder why. I don't need it to be nosebleed fast like the other used/questionably abused options out there. If it's a fun performer, reliable, safe (in this case, to 2013 standards), and looks great all wrapped in a brand new package I'm sold.

are we comparing apples to oranges here ? a vette vs a frs no comparison - I love the vette but wouldn't get a used one if I can get a brand new frs instead

This thread is basically about what you can get for $27k. People like to strictly look at performance. But a car purchase is about so much more than that. I like to look at what you get as a package, the unique character which can't be quantified by numbers, and used vs. new (this is huge in my eyes). You will get $27k worth of guaranteed performance in a Corvette but how long will that performance last? Is its current performance still 100% of what it was when new? What about the other non-performance aspects of a car purchase? The remarks in this thread are effectively reducing the Corvette to an aftermarket performance mod that costs $27k. For that money, I'd rather buy a new car.

I want to drive a car that that the general public likes to look at but can't identify. That's something Porsche and Corvette owners can't have. May sound backwards but it adds to the cool factor. And believe or not, there are Pinto enthusiasts out there. You're never going to convince them that a Corvette is better than their Pinto.

My point is every car has flaws. A Corvette's strength is its performance. But it is flawed. Among several flaws, one flaw is for $27k you can only buy one used carrying all things associated with buying a used car. The FR-S is flawed. But apparently, its strengths make the purchase a bargain to many out there. This then becomes a subjective argument where nobody is right/wrong.

Why don't you just unfriend him on FB? Problem solved.


There will always be idiots. We can't reform them all.

Bingo.

I still have a lot of love for this car (not quite enough to buy one, just yet, will wait for the "big tits" model :happy0180: ), but i have to say it clearly shows the limits of what you can get for your money.

Put another way: That you can get a 'Vette with 65K on the motor for the price of a FR-Z shows how much those cars depreciate; on the other hand, the fact the FR-S (or MX-5) is about as "entry level" as you can get for a "proper" sports car under 30K, speaks volumes too.

But... enjoy the car for what it actually is and does, or prepare to spend the extra 5-10 grand needed to fund a sportier new sports car.

Anyway, in general, I think any "hate" is just the backlash against the hype. But anyone driving a car that costs more than twice as much new is just being a **** if they are making snarky remarks about the Toyobaru.

That said, I look forward to seeing what one of these cars with another 5-10 grand it in it can do (hopefully as a higher performance model from the factory).

Jordo, he's talking about a USED car vs a new car. The corvette is great but it's not a cheap car by any means.

Hey, I have a crush on the Pinto. :wub: One of the few classic cars that I distinctly love not just like.

:fighting0040:

Another quality scion thread.

Well... I get so many drools and people staring at my WRB BRZ as if it was a Ferrari.

But yea, this car isnt meant for drag racing. Its built for handling.

Bet if it was badged as a chevy people would praise it. But then again when was the last time chevy made something that looked this good and weighed under 3k pounds lol!!

:bellyroll: Dude said "minus well" :bellyroll: