Perrin Catback Exhaust vs Nameless Performance Exhaust.
 

Perrin

http://www.perrinperformance.com/ass...0_05_large.jpg http://www.perrinperformance.com/ass...0_02_large.jpg
http://blog.perrinperformance.com/wp...pipeproto2.jpg http://www.perrinperformance.com/ass...0_03_large.jpg

http://www.perrinperformance.com/ass...0_08_large.jpg


http://www.perrinperformance.com/brz...t-back-exhaust


Nameless Performance

axelback:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2942gld.jpg

exhaust system:
http://shop.namelessperformance.com/...89338_zoom.jpg

http://shop.namelessperformance.com/...w-cat-package/


Which do guys prefer. I know nameless has flawless quality build. Compared to perrin, nameless comes of a tad bit pricey imo, but that another story. Perrin vs nameless in quality, wht u guys say.

The two system replace different parts. The Perrin is a catback exhaust, while Nameless replaces the axleback and the overpipe. The Nameless includes a high flow cat, the perrin does not (because it is catback , leaves the factory Cat). Just some things to ponder.

I think quality is top notch from both companies. I am getting Nameless because of sound, and HP numbers.

actually, nameless has 2 packages:

1. replace axle back, front pipe w/ high flow cat. i believe they call this the downpipe on their site.

2. replace axle back, front pipe w/ high flow cat, and overpipe.

http://shop.namelessperformance.com/2013-brz/

http://i.imgur.com/t67p6.jpg

nameless fabricates their exhausts in-house. i cannot speak for perrin however.

I would presume that replacing the cat would be more efficient than replacing the mid pipe like how perrin does it. Any advantages for replacing the stock over pipe with nameless performance over pipe. They seem to charge 100 dollars for the overpipe alone and i have not yet seen any dyno charts that include overpipe downpipe and axelback combo.

I'm not really a fan of the way the Nameless looks, too many bends and non symmetrical in appearance. I know its a quality system but i can't get over the looks of it. I don't think you can go wrong either way as far as function goes so it would come down to sound and looks for me.

according to nameless, the factory overpipe was designed to clear RHD components. since we have a LHD, nameless designed a 1 unit solution instead of the factory 1 overpipe + 1 downpipe solution.

i'm not sure if there are any added HP going to a nameless overpipe, but the stock overpipe doesn't look very pretty. :iono:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...light=nameless

nameless said they didn't see any power increase when replacing the factory midpipe + nameless axle back, and their axle back by itself doesn't seem to produce any power either. on the other hand, i think perrin's catback by itself produces power. i find this odd. does anyone have a dynosheet of just the perrin catback system?

Absolutely correct. I didn't go into the details to keep the discussion simple since both NP offerings replace the Cat.

:happy0180:

The bends in the Nameless exhaust have an explanation. It is designed this way to keep the same run the OEM exhaust had, among other things. This type of engineering is the difference between a professional company and an around the corner shop. They actually engineered the system carefully considering power and sound. The runs, the mufflers and pipe diameters on the Nameless exhaust where carefully chosen to get the exact sound wanted; no rasp or drone.

I personally don't mind the way it looks since the only thing that will be seen are the beautifull tips.

who honestly looks under the car, as long as the tips look bad ass. Plus i prefer a functional exhaust rather than a good looking exhaust. Exhausts are not visible to anyone for them to judge if it looks good or not .

I don't really think you can say the Perrin isn't functional and we are all here to mod the car however we see fit i was just giving my opinion on the two exhausts in question.

anyone know the weight of the factory midpipe? i'm curious to know the weight differences between perrin and nameless.

nameless: factory midpipe + nameless axle back

factory midpipe: ?
axle back: 18lbs

vs

perrin: perrin catback 39.5 lbs

Found it! It's on Perrin's BRZ Exposed Blog.

http://blog.perrinperformance.com/wp...pipeweight.jpg

awesome! this means the nameless axleback + factory midpipe combo is 9lbs lighter than perrin's catback.

perrin catback = 39.5lbs
nameless axle back (18lbs) + factory midpipe (12.4lbs) = 30.4lbs
100% factory: factory midpipe (12.4lbs) + factory axle back (25lbs) = 37.4lbs

I think you can't go wrong with either. It's more a matter of taste and want; both systems look great. It just depends what are you looking for. :thumbup:

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+1

I would wait to compare at least until Perrin releases their exhaust parts forward of the catback. Ideally I would wait until each company has a full exhaust solution for sale, including header options.
And then I would wait some more to see independent dynos. But that's a lot of waiting!

The entire factory exhaust weighs about 38.6lbs with as someone else showed about 12.4lbs of that being the midpipe. So the stock axleback weighs around 26lbs. The Nameless axleback is around 16lbs, so it shaves around 10lbs of weight off of the stock exhaust. I think it weighs a little less if you go with their smaller mufflers.

When I spoke with Nameless they said their re-designed midpipe with a resonator ended up weighing more than the stock midpipe and made negligible power so they felt it wasn't worth selling, it would just add weight and cost people more money.

Perrin's complete catback weighs more than the stock one, unless you get the option with no resonator. The catback without a resonator weighs 26lbs total, so about 12.4lbs less than stock. But then you have to deal with a louder and probably raspier exhaust.

As for dyno numbers, this is what Perrin got out of their true catback, with the resonated exhaust. When they dyno'd the car with just a straight pipe after the stock midpipe, it made around 3WHP. This is how they showed replacing the stock midpipe definitely had an effect on performance, at least in their testing:

http://philbedard.com/pics/perrin_brz_catback.jpg

I can't seem to find any numbers from Nameless with just their axleback, I think it made around 3WHP.

I'm going to probably buy the Perrin without the resonator and then have the car dyno tested without it and then with it just for my own piece of mind.

well a tune would fix all this comparison. I think any exhaust with a tune will have good results regardless the brand

I bought the Accelerated Performance Catback myself. I'm fairly certain I remember him hinting it'd be compatible with another product he was developing. I imagine he was referring to the Turbo Kit. Have you looked at the Accelerated Performance Catback? I bought one myself and enjoy both the look and sound of it.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ed+Performance

No spaghetti for me.

I'm not sure how the OP can expect a proper response to his question given that neither Nameless or Perrin have released their products.

^ this... BUT you can tune the stock exhaust for a phat gain as well. All cars ship with a conservative tune to be driven anywhere under any condition.

I'm pretty sure both are available

nameless definitely is.

I ordered the Perrin Catback last week.

Houston calling Captain Snooze!!! Captain Snooze do you copy me???


Nameless has been available I believe for about a month. Perrin's catback has been available for abou three days. Its very easy to see that, even in this thread...

Any idea when a proper tune will be available by either cobb or perrin. I know for a fact that perrin tuned maps are much more aggressive compared to cobb maps

Calling Captain Snooze's Assistant? Ecutek with Visconti's tune is also available. Shipping soon I think.

Ah.. pardon me. When I posted that I was thinking of the headers. I was thinking of the complete exhaust system. Sorry, yeah, I was not considering what was available now. Stupid one track mind.

5-9 whp gained for Perrin's catback, for $900. Lighter weight without resonator, same weight with resonator. Possible rasp without resonator? Resonator is a no cost option.
video of catback sound(i'm betting this is with resonator):
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bxGu3PckI8"]PERRIN BRZ/FRS Exhaust Sound - YouTube[/ame]

12whp gained with the Nameless downpipe/axleback combo, for $950. Lighter weight, and the option of adding on the overpipe section to drop another pound and maybe lessen restriction more if you're going for bigger power- add $100 for overpipe section. Made in the USA, by hand.
vid of axleback/downpipe combo package:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_GhVCzVcdE"]Nameless Performance AxleBack Exhaust - YouTube[/ame]


I just laid out the facts of the two systems, I think everyone is going to want something different out of their setup. No opinion at all in this post. I love both companies.

And how about Swift Racing Technologies? Super clean looking system and is in production.

A lot of Apples VS Oranges comparisons going on here. LOL

The front end (Header/overpipe) is the where the only real power gains are. Axle and cat backs are mainly just for sound, very small gains, and you will get the same small gain no matter which of rear parts you replace.

Personally I like the Nameless system a little better, I like the sound a lot and the way it is made with the duals. I do like the Perrin sound a better than stock, not a big fan of the single muffler though.

I've been lucky enough to hear both systems in person. But, I am not getting anything until I get to hear the Nameless muffler delete axle back they are working on. Their Genesis muffler delete was awesome.

Edit ---
I do have to say I an a big fan of both of these companies.

I asked in the SRP thread about weight/dyno numbers but haven't seen anything, same with Accelerated. Both of those look like quality products as well.

I for one race my car in stock autocross class so I can't replace any of the cats in the car, main reason I'm only looking at catbacks/axlebacks.

Perrin was able to get decent gains with replacing the midpipe, when I inquired about it they said it was very repeatable and they saw it both in the beginning of their testing as well as with the production catback.

I am also waiting for a little bit to see what others come out with, there are a ton of companies building exhausts for the car.

Great... I was more or less settled on getting Perrin's Cat, Over, and Front... but then I found this thread and did a little digging.

The decision has not come to me and I'm struggling to make a decision.

Ideas on the following?
Perrin Cat, Over, and Front
SRT Full Exhaust
Nameless Axleback & High Flow Cat

I know the thread has been dead a while, but I really didn't want to create a new one when this one seemed perfectly viable.


Suggestions and insight would be very much appreciated.

Thank you!

I think the SRT sounds seriously amazing in the videos, but it's probably too loud for me. I'd like to hear a car with the larger resonator in person. The poor communication seen in the thread make me unsure. Gotta love than sound though.:drool:

Nameless sounds good, I like the tone, but the tapering off at higher rpm is a little bit of a turn off. I imagine that would attract less attention when you're misbehaving. Could be a good point if you want be a discrete holigan.:thumbsup:

I'm kinda leaning toward Perrin. I like the tone, volume level, transparency and history with Subarus.

The reasons I'm leaning towards perrin are:
1. Friend recommended perrin as a brand - high quality, long history with subaru.
2. I think the finish looks incredible, I'm not a fan of chrome/super shiny or polished stuff. I prefer to be low key. I'd get the black finish but I think that would stand out due to the rarity of seeing black exhausts.
3. I know this is stupid, but perrin's website seems the most... refined.
4. There's a wealth of videos on perrin's stuff plus, I feel like the resonated will give the extra bit I'm looking for without being loud (I like to lay low)
5. I think Perrin's developing a headers too, it'd be great to have everything uniform, headers, over, front, cat.

Granted Perrin seems a bit more expensive with their package running around 1.6k... Nameless goes for 1.1k if I recall correctly(though they don't have a mid or overpipe I think), and SRT is 1.3k.

Decisions decisions...damnit!

im still debating between these 2 systems
i like the sound of perrin but like the whp gain of nameless

perrin knows their subarus. i trust those guys and will be placing an order for their cat back asap...i can't wait!