Toyota FT-86 vs. Renault Mégane R.S. Trophy
 

The Toyota FT-86 must beat this:

Renault Mégane R.S. Trophy

http://img.turbo.fr/04347898-photo-n...r-s-trophy.jpg
http://img.turbo.fr/04347900-photo-n...r-s-trophy.jpg


Specs:

2.0l Turbo I4
265 PS
360 Nm
FWD, LSD, 6MT
1350 kg
0-100 km/h: 6,0 sec
V-max: 254 km/h
N-Ring: 8:08 min (19" Bridgestone Potenza RE050A)
Price: 35.500 €



For me the Toyota FT-86 rivals are:
-Audi TT-S/RS
-BMW Z4 sDrvie35is
-BMW 1 Series M E82
-Porsche Cayman S/R
-Lotus Exige / Supercharged
-VW Scirocco R
-Seat Leon Cupra FR
-Renault Mégane R.S.
-Alfa Romeo 4C (not yet out)
-Mini Coupé Cooper S JCW (not yet out)

Nothing under. The Toyota better be fast right out of the box.

Man are you really comparing these expensive cars to something that is expected to debut in the low 20's??? You could buy two of FR for the price of that Renault.

He's just another "OMG I WANT A CORVETTE" type of person on this forum. Lol. Asking too much for too little. :>

:word: You'd be looking at a lot of aftermarket upgrades to get it to compete with a lot of the cars on that list. By all means, shoot for the moon. But, I don't think this thing is going to be like the new GT-R which laughs at some of the cars above it's price point. It's like asking for a Corvette for the price of a Malibu.

I want to buy a Jet fighter for the price of a Toyota Camry. Or else!!!!

is that Renault a shared chassis? looks a lot like Ford Fiesta competitor, but i dunno i haven't done any research on any of that stuff.

that renault should compete with Mazdaspeed3 or Ford Focus RS, same Turbo/fwd/compact configuration.

Might as well put the Nissan 370z on that list too.

There is one thing I really hate about the FT-86: it is CHEAP. Performance has nothing to do with expense, except if to talk about aluminium, CF and such. I think it is rather the cars I put on the list that are far to expensive for what they are worth. A Cayman S costs nearly as much as an M3 E92. An Audi TT-RS is cheaper than an M3 E92 but faster than it on almost all tracks. I hope Toyota will offer two versions of FT-86:
-FT-86: CHEAP
-FT-86RS TRD: KILLER

Again:

Reanult Mégane R.S. Trophy
N-Ring: 8:08 min
35.500 €

BMW 1 Series M Coupé
N-Ring: 8:15 min
50.500 €

A cheaper car can beat a more expensive one.


If the FT-86 is all about being CHEAP, then I thing I am mistaken, it is not the right car for me.

Why? I am ready to pay 35.000 € for a 1000-kg-two-seater-rear-wheel drive-300-PS-naturally-aspirated-high-revving-flat4-front-engine. Do you know anything of such a car? Reminds me very much of the FT-86, but then I really want it so. I see I have alot to moddify in order to make it faster than all of those stock cars. And I am not fool, I am not talking about being faster than a Porsche 911 or a Ferrari. I just want a nice small sportscar.

That sucks that VW didn't bring the Scirocco back to the US but damn 33,475 Euros=48K USD is probably the reason why!

Damn, you guys are getting raped down there in Europe when it comes to buying a car!

Since us poor sods in the USA don't get any of the hot [insert most cool cars here], this comparison is irrelevant for me. Factor in the Renault is FWD and likely way more expensive and it's totally irrelevant, IMO.

RS Trophy? lollolol... not gonna happen. That car is downright mean. No way a stock standard 86 is gonna beat it, anywhere, much less around the ring. At a drift competition yeah... but that's it.

yikes...if i was looking for a small Japanese dedicated sports car..id wait for Mazda and Nissan to pump out their old power houses or a supra successor.

True, cheap does mean less. But where we cut manufacturing costs does matter as well. Maybe we are getting the best bang for our buck with the 86..maybe not. If Scion developed the car inhouse...i think it would be a completely different kind of cheap...vs Toyota/YAMAHA/SUBARU/TRD/STI kind of cheap.

What sucks in this day and age..because of the economy in the past 10-15 years, our selection of entry level Japanese sports cars have dwindled down to nothing.

in the 90s...we have the all for roughly 20-45k
Rx7/supra/300zx/evo/wrx/skyline/silvia/Celica/FTO/GTO/eclipse/IntegraR/MX5/MR2


today for the same price we get...
370z/EVO/WRX/MX5

and in the coming years...the EVO and WRX will be phased out a bit from their norm...with EVO possibly going green..and the Impreza chassy bulking going into mid/full-sized sedan territory.

Whats left for us looking for a good Japanese sports car? right now...it just doesnt exist..and the FT86 is going to be on the lower totem poll of the gap left over from the absence of real sports cars.

throw this bad boy on the list as well

its pretty much the idea of the ft86 on a strict diet and in midship form

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/06/16/fa...based-sportsc/


that list is pretty stupid no offense there no point in bring up everything thats wrong with that list that hasnt already been discussed repeatedly

Consider that the GT5 video game fantasy version was 1000kg and 220 PS NA. So reality means, probably, more weight and less power.

Depending on what resources you have available, if you are serious, I would look into getting an EZ30R (Subaru 3.0L H6, 240ish PS stock) and having it built for NA power. Start now and have it ready for when the FT86 comes out, then swap it in. This won't be cheap, or even necessarily easy (depending on space, but H4 to H6 Subaru swaps are relatively common). Along with appropriate handling mods, this car could conceivably be in the 320 PS range, naturally aspirated, and 1300kg (depending on starting weight).

However I won't even speculate about what a final cost, including the car, would be. (lots of EXPENSIVE custom work, especially cams and a properly ported head.)

It would be damn fast, though. And if tuned right, could probably give some previous gen 911's a run for their money.

This is my personal fantasy right now. But probably just because I miss my Supra and its power... :(

^ that car would be nasty

LOL okay so I actually now got some time to read thru some of what you wrote and so you want the FT86 (a brand new mass market car) to be better out of the box than a limited (500) edition super suped up refined version of a car that they have had out and improved upon multiple times since 2004.

Cool I was a Supra powered by twin jet engines that runs on hopes and dream and auto refills itself 7 times a day.


This would be an actually thread had you said I want the toyota to develop the ft86 into a car that can beat the Renault in a few years.

I already thought about the swap from H4 to H6, but am not really a fan of such things, H4 is the best engine for it, as the car was developed for this engine. Another heavier engine could worsen handling. It is like the NA V10 S85 or TT V8 S63 swaps in the M3 E92, the car was faster on straight but did not handle better on track.


I am in Europe, so for us the Mégane RS is the best bang for your buck if your want a "sportscar", unfortunately it is FWD, like most of our cars, that is why it makes me lose interest. Another even cheaper car is the
Renault Clio R.S Cup
2.0l NA I4
203 PS @ 7.100 RPM
215 Nm @ 5.400 RPM (over 200 Nm @ 3.000-7.000 RPM)
Redline @ 7.500 RPM
Wieght: 1240 kg (EU)
0-100 km/h: 6,9 sec
V-max: 224 km/h
Price: 21.550 €

FT-86 should then at least be fester than this one.

What? You're not fan of H6?
This Impreza run EG33 engine, but it sure make hellova sweet sound
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I think it will be pretty close to this numbers-wise. Maybe a touch better accelerating because of weight transfer. Handling on par with a Cayman, or close, as this is their target.

Euro price I can't even speculate on, as I'm blown away at how expensive cars are over there.

Yum!! Yes please. EG33 is such a nice setup.

the ones in bold are the dirrect competitors, sort off from that list only. keep in mind that ALL these cars are more than 2x the price of the ft86 (at least here in australia)
ft86 will NEVER handle as good as the lotus, NEVER have the same luxuries or out accelerate the M1/cayman although it might very well out handle them. and NEVER look as good as the 4C (in fact if the 4C isnt over 70kAUD i would much rather get it were as i wouldnt pay more than 35kAUD for a mid range FT86)
the z4 is a convertible and its a roadster, different type of car, cant compare oranges to apples, cupra is just fugly and the scirocco ...
scirocco, cupra, cooper, those cas compare only to the gaynault.
it will out perform the geynault with out a issue.

Awesome sounding Impreza with H6. Howerever would not be worth on an FT-86 without AWD.

It'll never be able to beat the Renault on the Ring. The Megane is such an easy car to drive on and beyond the limit, it's not funny anymore. I'm not saying a 8:08 is a walk in the park for the Renault, but the FWD chassis combined with it's long-ish wheelbase and a very good setup make it a very fast car on the Nordschleife.

I think the FT86, in the right hands, will do a 8:25~8:30 laptime.

Why is that?

The FT86 won't come close to the Megane ring time, and it doesn't need to. It's not made to get blistering fast ring times, it's made to be a well-balanced fun and tossable RWD car.