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WNDSRFR 11-21-2020 02:04 PM

PSA Worst tires Ever
 
I've had these tires for awhile now and they are soo bad I felt compelled to say something. The tires are Hankook Ventus V2 Concept. In size 235/45/17. Stock wheels. These tires are so slippery in the wet that they are are almost unusable. Without TC they would be unusable. If the road is even slightly damp, it's like driving on ice. I can spin my tires in fifth gear no problem, anytime.
It used to be...My routine was...start the car, press and hold the SS button
OFF
until the TC OFF lights come on. Then go about my business. Not anymore. The other day there was no traffic around so I went into this on ramp with gusto. It was early in the morning and I didn't notice the road was damp. Luckily I didn't turn the TC off. It kicked in and saved me. Otherwise I may still be spinning.
But then, on the other hand, the tires can be alot of fun as long as you keep the danger in mind. It's fun to give it some gas and try to keep the car straight with the tires spinning and the TC on. In fifth gear.

justalex 11-26-2020 12:04 AM

I have never tried to install a set of Hankook tires on any of my cars but they do have a decent review online.

DarkPira7e 11-26-2020 12:13 AM

This is completely contrary to my experience with these tires, strange to hear such a negative review of them. What is the build date on them / what PSI are they filled to?

WNDSRFR 11-26-2020 10:01 AM

The date code is 3618 and the pressure is 32 psi. I've used Hankook tires before and they were OK. But this set is just unbelievably terrible. The tires I replaced were some cheap Chinese crap that were completely bald. I mean slicks. And the new Hankooks were as bad if not worse than the bald tires.
It really is unbelievable.

Tanstin 11-26-2020 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3387889)
The date code is 3618 and the pressure is 32 psi. I've used Hankook tires before and they were OK. But this set is just unbelievably terrible. The tires I replaced were some cheap Chinese crap that were completely bald. I mean slicks. And the new Hankooks were as bad if not worse than the bald tires.
It really is unbelievable.

Where did you purchase them from? Have you tried talking to Hankook about it?
That's really odd. A couple of guys I know run V2's without complaints

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WNDSRFR 11-26-2020 01:00 PM

Does it rain where they live?
And are they Ventus V2 Concepts?
I just checked the Hankook web site and they don't even offer Ventus V2 Concepts anymore.
I wonder why?

DarkPira7e 11-26-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3387889)
The date code is 3618 and the pressure is 32 psi. I've used Hankook tires before and they were OK. But this set is just unbelievably terrible. The tires I replaced were some cheap Chinese crap that were completely bald. I mean slicks. And the new Hankooks were as bad if not worse than the bald tires.
It really is unbelievable.

So they're 2 years old, not anything out of the ordinary. Maybe they had been stored in a way that compromised the compound? I have run these on a couple of my cars and still do on my wife's car, they're pretty damn good even in below freezing temps. I'd contact Hankook

LancePower 11-26-2020 08:14 PM

I think I have these or something very similar on Mazda 2 up here in the Northeast.

Never noticed anything out of the ordinary.

Acceleration isn't that great in the wet, but it is a FWD. Lateral and braking grip in the wet has never been an issue.

chiefshayan 12-08-2020 06:37 PM

Love my V2 hankooks! Got a square setup 245 on 18's. Sure the wet isn't the greatest but its a summer performance tire. Age, PSI, abnormal wear due to suspension/stance might be the issue.

I had a little too much camber on my previous setup and wore the inner tire right off.

Bonburner 12-09-2020 12:17 AM

Interesting .. I personally just steer clear of all-seasons.

Googling Hankook Ventus V2 Concept, only the Hankook Ventus V2 Concept 2 comes up. strange.

Curious, why 235/45/17 on stock wheels? Stocks are 215/45/17. I suspect running wider rubber on skinnier wheels will mess up your lateral traction and might even be dangerous?

BigTuna 12-09-2020 09:25 AM

I had these tires a few years ago and liked them a lot. Although I remember them being a bit noisy.

When was your most recent alignment?

ZDan 12-09-2020 09:39 AM

Sometimes tires go "bad". Had a set of 2-year-old Michelin Pilot Super Sports and over a track season of garage storage in warm weather (while FD was on NT01s), they went from fine to NO grip in any conditions. You might see if Hankook will warranty them.

WNDSRFR 12-09-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonburner (Post 3391722)
Interesting .. I personally just steer clear of all-seasons.

Googling Hankook Ventus V2 Concept, only the Hankook Ventus V2 Concept 2 comes up. strange.

Curious, why 235/45/17 on stock wheels? Stocks are 215/45/17. I suspect running wider rubber on skinnier wheels will mess up your lateral traction and might even be dangerous?

I just went and looked and they ARE Concept2's which are all seasons. Strange because I always run UHP's. So they should be better in the wet than UHP's.
As far as the size goes, I swapped tires with my GTI the second day I had the car. For some Falken 235's. The Prius tires are still on the GTI. Too bad I couldn't just swap wheels. The lug pattern is the same but the hubs are different.

WNDSRFR 12-09-2020 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna (Post 3391775)
I had these tires a few years ago and liked them a lot. Although I remember them being a bit noisy.

When was your most recent alignment?

The car has 182,000 miles on it and has never had an alignment. And it's on Proline springs. I've gone through at least 7 sets of tires and they always wear perfectly.

WNDSRFR 12-09-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3391777)
Sometimes tires go "bad". Had a set of 2-year-old Michelin Pilot Super Sports and over a track season of garage storage in warm weather (while FD was on NT01s), they went from fine to NO grip in any conditions. You might see if Hankook will warranty them.

I don't really think Hankook would go for that. If I was in Korea maybe I would try. But I'm not.
Funny thing is, I was working in Korea a few years ago and would pass the Hankook factory everyday on the way to work.

ZDan 12-09-2020 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3391798)
I don't really think Hankook would go for that. If I was in Korea maybe I would try. But I'm not.
Funny thing is, I was working in Korea a few years ago and would pass the Hankook factory everyday on the way to work.

Most tires will have a warranty, if you bought them new I would check with who you bought them from/through. But anyway, tires are clearly no good, replace them! I lived with my Michelins for too long after they'd gone BAD (still had half tread depth) and had an "incident" :( Not worth it!

evomike 12-09-2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3391794)
The car has 182,000 miles on it and has never had an alignment. And it's on Proline springs. I've gone through at least 7 sets of tires and they always wear perfectly.

this cannot be real life can it

WNDSRFR 12-09-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by evomike (Post 3391807)
this cannot be real life can it

Really and truly. I can't believe it either that I've managed to keep the car on the road and not hit any curbs, rocks or anything for 182,000 miles.
This is the first car I've ever owned that hasn't had uneven tire wear at one time or other. And I've owned alot of cars.

I'll probably slide sideways over a curb and knock my wheels off this afternoon now.

WNDSRFR 12-09-2020 01:29 PM

That's the advantage to running wider tires.
(You don't slide sideways over a curb and knock your wheels off).

BigTuna 12-09-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3391794)
The car has 182,000 miles on it and has never had an alignment. And it's on Proline springs. I've gone through at least 7 sets of tires and they always wear perfectly.

You're complaining about tire performance, but have never had an alignment? Has it at least been checked? Tires wearing evenly does not inherently mean your alignment is good.

That's like complaining you aren't getting mail, but never checking your mailbox.

ZDan 12-09-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3391793)
I just went and looked and they ARE Concept2's which are all seasons. Strange because I always run UHP's. So they should be better in the wet than UHP's.

Common misconception, but all-seasons are not better in the wet vs. summer tires. The best max-perf summer tires will generally have more wet grip than the best UHP A/S tires. So will Extreme Perf summer tires, but those will have less hydroplaning-resistance.

Most important thing is to check test results (preferably) or customer survey results at TireRack.com to see how specific make/model tires do for wet grip.

Bonburner 12-09-2020 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3391793)
I just went and looked and they ARE Concept2's which are all seasons. Strange because I always run UHP's. So they should be better in the wet than UHP's.
As far as the size goes, I swapped tires with my GTI the second day I had the car. For some Falken 235's. The Prius tires are still on the GTI. Too bad I couldn't just swap wheels. The lug pattern is the same but the hubs are different.

https://www.lesschwab.com/article/su...t-for-you.html

mav1178 12-09-2020 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3387889)
The date code is 3618 and the pressure is 32 psi.

most relevant part of this is when you installed the tires, because if you installed it last month and the tires are old stock at a tire shop, it may very have been left out in the elements too long.

D20Z 12-13-2020 01:02 PM

Try AS3+ if you will go all season again. Michelin AS3+. A sound tire overall.

AutoNewb 12-21-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonburner (Post 3391722)
Interesting .. I personally just steer clear of all-seasons.

Googling Hankook Ventus V2 Concept, only the Hankook Ventus V2 Concept 2 comes up. strange.

Curious, why 235/45/17 on stock wheels? Stocks are 215/45/17. I suspect running wider rubber on skinnier wheels will mess up your lateral traction and might even be dangerous?

Guarantee this plus your alignment is causing the issue. Either get some 17x8 wheels to put these 235's on or get a new tire with the correct 215 size. Im sure you can get away with some 225's but 235's I wouldnt at all.

RotARy15 12-22-2020 07:30 PM

I have no experience to measure against since these Concept2s came with my car and my only other experience is a set of 245 RS4s.


But the lack of wet traction on my Concept2s is laughably, terrifyingly fun. Unless I actually need to accelerate and get out of someones way in which case I absolutely hate these things.


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