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Hachiroku 06-13-2011 09:46 PM

Nurburgring Video of Subaru BRZ Coupe / Subaru FR-S / Toyota FT-86 Shows off Handling
 
Happy to share with our members the best video yet of the Subaru Coupe / Subaru FR-S / Toyota FT-86 getting flogged during testing on the Nurburgring.

The prototype seems to be exhibiting great handling - staying flat and showing little roll or slide through the turns. It's not easy to judge speed from a video, but it certainly seems to be carrying good speed through the turns.

We also get the best listen to the prototype at full throttle yet.

Be sure to watch in 1080p mode.


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iDriveFast 06-13-2011 10:00 PM

Nice, i cant wait to see more

Nambo 06-13-2011 10:02 PM

Thanks for sharing it, looks great :)

Random_Art 06-13-2011 10:02 PM

Nice, though the vid does have some crazy interlacing issues

RRnold 06-13-2011 10:05 PM

Very nice! :thumbsup: Thanks for posting! :happy0180:

Giccin 06-13-2011 10:13 PM

Lol tailgating the bimmer at the end. :>

C-Bone 06-13-2011 10:16 PM

very cool thanks hachi

Spaceywilly 06-13-2011 10:23 PM

I'm not an expert but... is it understeering?

Dragonitti 06-13-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly (Post 47188)
I'm not an expert but... is it understeering?

That's something you can't tell by an external video. You don't know the intended line the driver is meaning to take.

Spaceywilly 06-13-2011 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonitti (Post 47189)
That's something you can't tell by an external video. You don't know the intended line the driver is meaning to take.

True but it looks to go very wide about :48 second mark. On the other hand the wear on the track makes me think that is just the best line.

jonnois 06-13-2011 10:33 PM

nice, look great through the corners

Monkey.Magic3 06-13-2011 10:34 PM

might have been covered before, so apologies, but it's left hand drive? I thought the Japs would build it right handed first, for "their" specs.

themali 06-13-2011 10:40 PM

love the sound

celicajim 06-13-2011 10:51 PM

Is that normal for that much positive camber on the front outside wheel under heavy cornering? But otherwise it's looking great.

Zaku 06-13-2011 10:52 PM

Nice Subaru <3 and Carerra White Cayman at the end :D

Traum 06-13-2011 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random_Art (Post 47180)
Nice, though the vid does have some crazy interlacing issues

x2

I was getting dizzy from watching the stupid video.

Also, it makes me wonder how relevant the video is in terms of the final production version's handling is. For all we know, their engineers are only gathering data on how different combinations of suspension components will cause the car to perform. They could just as easily decide on a softer or firmer tuning in conjunction with marketing to come up with a package that will appeal to the widest group of potential customers. I'm pretty sure that for many of us, we'd fall outside of that category. But that's where the aftermarket will pick up from...

MannyO 06-13-2011 11:15 PM

Love it. Can't wait until more vids are released but this should keep me entertained for a while I guess.

Hachiroku 06-13-2011 11:24 PM

Fixed the interlacing issue

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ichitaka05 06-13-2011 11:40 PM

Again, thanks Hachi!!! :bow: :bow: :bow:

Hachiroku 06-13-2011 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 47202)
Again, thanks Hachi!!! :bow: :bow: :bow:

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

xantonin 06-13-2011 11:54 PM

Looks nice. I wonder what the times were.

Dark 06-13-2011 11:55 PM

Sahweet... You did it again Hachi. Thanks you.

ljstella 06-14-2011 12:00 AM

It seems to have a pretty decent exhaust sound too! I can't wait!

FR_Soldier_77 06-14-2011 12:05 AM

I dont think anybody can wait..lol

midenginebias 06-14-2011 12:11 AM

I wonder what the tires were.

AaronCompNetSys 06-14-2011 01:11 AM

It looked very neutral to me, and the turn in is just like the S2K. But holy crap look at that roll resistance. Its got some massive swaybars or very stiff pre-loaded coilovers. I've never seen something that resistant to roll on a street car outside of a supercar.

I predict that if the production car has this handling package, it will get bad reviews for being to "twitchy" or something, meaning it takes more skill to drive (a la LFA). I'm very excited about it.

Not to hate on anyone, but I've learned that people who comment about "does it oversteer" or "does it understear" don't know about active weight balance of a street derived sports car. All cars oversteer and all cars understeer, its about how manageable it is with what type/size of tires it has.

madfast 06-14-2011 02:04 AM

my lord those tires look so dinky...

and i agree, the suspension used in the vid will probably never make it to production. i just cant see a scion being this hardcore. and before people say its a subaru, im still betting that the difference between both cars will be 95% styling only...

iff2mastamatt 06-14-2011 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 47196)
Nice Subaru <3 and Carerra White Cayman at the end :D

That white Cayman seems to be in all the FR-S vids.

Dimman 06-14-2011 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt (Post 47221)
That white Cayman seems to be in all the FR-S vids.

They say they're benchmarking it...

iff2mastamatt 06-14-2011 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 47222)
They say they're benchmarking it...

Music to my ears!

Traum 06-14-2011 02:49 AM

Does the car look neutral to you, Aaron? Between the tire squealing and the lines that were taken, I thought it resembled some very mild understeer. For the most part, that is probably a good thing because understeer is far more predictable than oversteer, and is much easier to correct. A car with some very mild understeer is also easier to drive fast.

The really sad thing is, good body motion control and ride comfort don't really have to be mutually exclusive -- the suspension components just have to be well-engineered and well-matched -- think monotube shocks with valving that suits the chosen (and appropriately firm) spring rates. Of course, these components cost a pretty penny, and manufacturers tend to think that people who are really interested performance would turn to the aftermarket for solutions anyway. It is kind of true, but I'd much rather drive something that is well setup right out of the box than to rip out the brand new stock suspension...

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronCompNetSys (Post 47215)
It looked very neutral to me, and the turn in is just like the S2K. But holy crap look at that roll resistance. Its got some massive swaybars or very stiff pre-loaded coilovers. I've never seen something that resistant to roll on a street car outside of a supercar.

I predict that if the production car has this handling package, it will get bad reviews for being to "twitchy" or something, meaning it takes more skill to drive (a la LFA). I'm very excited about it.

Not to hate on anyone, but I've learned that people who comment about "does it oversteer" or "does it understear" don't know about active weight balance of a street derived sports car. All cars oversteer and all cars understeer, its about how manageable it is with what type/size of tires it has.


cc700 06-14-2011 03:51 AM

i know the real measure is how it feels, but goodness that engine sounds like it's revving strong high in the range! can't wait to drive one.

gt-jerome 06-14-2011 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronCompNetSys (Post 47215)

Not to hate on anyone, but I've learned that people who comment about "does it oversteer" or "does it understear" don't know about active weight balance of a street derived sports car. All cars oversteer and all cars understeer, its about how manageable it is with what type/size of tires it has.


exactly!!!!

My civic FF can oversteer without handbrake because i have bad tyres on rear wheels (even if it's not drift because of front wheel drive.... :( )

The FT, even with "only" 160 or 200 hp, can drift, it depend on the traction système (autobloc or not)

ft86cbx 06-14-2011 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt (Post 47225)
Music to my ears!

As long as its not the price they benchmark :)

I got the impression he wanted to give it some beans at the end but the BMW was in the way.

Anyone any thoughts on how high it will rev based on this video? Didnt sound like it was hitting high RPM to me?

Clode 06-14-2011 04:32 AM

from what you may hear from the video you hear a noise from the tires will stem type tank in the corners, as if there was a bit of understeer!
The strange thing is the constant hiss of tires.

at some point in the video you can feel the change and I think tipaca of an automatic .. but I may be wrong.

little consideration ... the tires are too narrow

Kage 06-14-2011 05:06 AM

Yeah...as the car is now I'm ready to buy...they would have to eff something serious up for me to change my mind.

Ashybone 06-14-2011 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clode (Post 47237)
little consideration ... the tires are too narrow

Agreed 150%. One of th first things I noticed. Imagine this car with 8-9.5 inch wide tires :D. I also gotta agree with what was said about the suspension, the sway bars or the coilovers on that have got to be beast for it to stay that flat. My God I hope it comes like that. You wouldn't have to touch anything on the suspension just go straight for power an brakes.

colinshark 06-14-2011 06:06 AM

Yeah, that's some understeer.

WingsofWar 06-14-2011 06:19 AM

aside from aesthetics why would you guys want a 9.5 wide wheel on a car that pushes only 200hp N/A and a whole lot less of torque? have you driven a 240sx with SR20DET with a 9inch wide wheel? Cant handle worth shit..and turns even worse if it was all 4 corners. Suddenly having a narrow tire of 7inches will offer no performance and traction..DERP

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