What if I'm not interested in drifting?
 

I'm interested in this car because of how simple it is. I would use it as my main car because I don't drive too often (to the store, to the cottage, etc.) and I would like a car for fun rather than for long journeys. I'm used to a mechanical cars with a manual (I own an older Impreza and Lancer) and I like them. Obviously, it looks easy to drift with BRZ, but I like when the car stays straight on the road.

How well does the car sit on the road?
Is it also suitable for someone who is not interested in drifting?

I've had a fun time with it so far! I use it as my main car and I LOVE driving it. I dont know how to drift and may learn later on, but im just enjoying the fun of how it handles. Sits low and turns on a dime. Great gas mileage on the highway. I'm not a car person at all but I plan on learning a lot more because of this machine.

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Nope. It is a drift only car.

.0001% of BRZ owners don't drift their cars. It would put you in the very slim minority, but it is possible to drive without drifting.

Does that mean it can be stable? I've experienced a lot of car and I think I can handle problematic situations but I wouldn't like to have to fight the car every time so it doesn't end up in a tree. However from the reviews it appears that the car was created primarily for drifting.

I wouldn't say that I will never drift (in enclosed spaces) but in normal traffic I would like to avoid it.

I've only had it a week, but driven it through rain at relatively high speeds and it responds great! Very agile without having to fight it

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Before this gets completely out of hand, because it will, we are messing with you. Drifters are a minority in any car community, you can drive this car as gently as a Corolla if you want.

I'm glad you said something because I was starting to worry that I wasn't adventurous enough to own this car [emoji23][emoji23]

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It drifts quite easily on oem tires, it's scary in some situations, especially in the cold. I took them off after a week. It still drifted quite easily, albeit controllably, with 18x8.5 wheels and 225 section tires. Ever since I went 18x9.5 with 255 (or 265?) section tires, it just grips. No more drifting

If you've just 3 friends and 2 of them had their legs amputated, it's the car for you, but if you've more than 1 friend with legs, or you're a fervent supporter of polygamy, this car may not be for you.

Have you been watching too many YouTube videos?

There is no “drift mode” on this car.
Thats a “drivers mode” only activated intentionally.

Drifting on the street around my area gets you some drift tax in the way of fines so by same reasoning that would make a drift car illegal.

You like the car? Pick a color and its surprisingly practical and fun to drive compared to the other bland cars out there.

I'll respond to this seriously: The BRZ will drive like any other car on the road as long as all the electronic aides are not turned off. If you just drive in regular traffic, then there is no need to worry.

Also, not sure where you're getting that the BRZ (and the 86 for that matter) was created primarily for drifting. It was built as a fun car, yes, but it's not limited to just drifting.

As far as I know there is - at least that "Pull the emergency brake three times" thingy.

I have only imaginary friends and they seems to be ok with that space. Not sure how this can affect cars grip.



Thank you for your response. I have never spent more than 5 kilometers in RWD car nor the sport one. Almost every video which I've seen (in my language) is like "this car is for the real drifters" so I am worried that after I'm used to driving Impreza for years this will be very unstable in comparison to it.

The car was made for drifting. If that doesn't interest you, there are cars made for driving.

Geeze, where do they find these people?

I've had more problems with understeer in my FR-S than oversteer, honestly, if that helps, though, depending on what BRZ you buy you may or may not have the same experience as I do.

As long as all aides are turned on and you aren't driving like an idiot, you should be fine.

These cars are certainly tail happy. I moved to my BRZ from a Focus ST and it's hilariously fun to get the tail out a little in slow tight corners or feel the push of the rear end in a fast sweeper. Both of these require active driver control - you need to be aggressive on the gas pedal to get there.
If you drive the car at a reasonable speed for the road and don't mash the gas you won't have to worry about unexpected oversteer. For me, the beauty of the Twins is that they are controllable, allowing you to approach RWD driving dynamics at your own pace and at your comfort level.
If you drive a Twin like a regular car you won't need to worry about oversteering or drifting, but as you grow more confident, comfortable and interested it will allow you to explore that, unlike FWD or most AWD cars.

That puts the car into a diagnostic mode that fully disables all TC functions. Not a drift mode, most of us who track these cars use it as there is still some TC interference with the TC button held down till off.

Pulling the Handbrake while im rolling definitely puts my other car in drift mode as well and its a Front Wheel driver… Just a great winter tool to explore.

You can "drift" any car depending on how badly you need that kind of fix...

They Even drift trucks on northern icy roads.

The BRZ/86 cannot be pigeonholed as a drift car or track only, I just did 40K KM in just one year and the road holding was exceptional. I have other priorities in buying a car than drift and expenditures that come with it!



The nice thing about this car is you can make it what YOU want it to be and there is great aftermarket to turm it into that!

Thank you for sharing your experience. I will surely test that car before buying so I will see. Just wanted to know if you have to fight this car with every tight corner. If "driving like an idiot" doesn't mean "anything over 40 km/h" than it sounds fine. Are aides aggressive in this one? Mine Lancer X has very aggressive aides (ASC is like "fuck I'm not going anywhere if it's raining") but in Impreza I almost didn't notice anything even in snow.

I drove Focus ST 2013 and damn that torque steer has been killing me. I understand that someone likes that (and I also like hot hatches) but that's exactly what I don't want to - fight with my own car with every faster corner. Active driver control is absolutely fine - that's what I want - but with the limits. I would like to be alive :)

Of course that pulling the handbrake puts car into the drift :) I'm talking about this.

40k per year is pretty much for this type of car. Thank you for sharing your experience. Sounds like I don't have to be worried.

Better cath up on your reading. That has changed since 2016...

Not sure how aggressive aides are in an Evo X; I haven't driven enough of them to determine that.

However, the aides in this car, without any sort of VSC Sport/Track mode, do a good job of cutting throttle if you turn in too aggressively, and prevent slides most of the time. VSC Sport in pre-2017 models allow a bit of slide, but otherwise still stop you from going too far.

I have no experience with Track Mode in 2017+ models, but from what I understand, they are far more lenient than VSC Sport, and you can even transplant them into an earlier model if you prefer (just wanted to toss that one out there).

Well this is getting to be off topic but thank you for info. I am thinking about the used one like from 2015. I heard there are also differences between 2013+/2015+/2017+.

Sadly I have just regular Lancer not the Evo. Impreza was the WRX so it might makes the difference between them.
Ok thank you. You gave me a lot of useful information.

The biggest problem with owning a Eight Six/BRZ is getting used to hearing the drivers of the cars behind you constantly yelling - "NANI ??!!! KANSEI DORIFTOOOO !!!!!"

I’m new to this car coming from a fwd hot hatch. Driving like an idiot every once in a while hasn’t been a fight to stay in control of being out of control.

Mountain, canyons, and track have been difficult for me to lose traction with the aides still active. Breaking traction was a little bit common.

This isn’t a Mustang, you and your surroundings will be safe.

@Suapak, I have approaching 175,000 miles on my 86, nearly all of it commuting.

If you've ever driven a rear wheel drive car you'll be fine, because it acts like a rear wheel drive car. Now, mind you that is likely the type of car your Mother, Grandmother and Great Grandmother drove, without the electronic nannies so even if you haven't driven one, you'll be fine.

If you push hard on the throttle in a turn will the rear-end move? Yes, but so will any other RWD car. In fact, a lot of people use the throttle to help steer in that situation.

Can the rear-end break loss if you are too aggressive? Probably not, unless you've turned all the safeguards off.

Can you make it do really tight doughnuts in the snow? Absolutely and I encourage it when no one is looking.

Can you drift it? Yes, but it has to be on purpose. I've actually drifted my Suburban more than the 86 because I try to drive it the same way as I do the 86. Doesn't work in my favor.

Can you drive it in the snow like a sane individual? Yes. I've even done it on summer tires, though I don't recommend it to anyone, including me. Necessity is sometime the mother of stupidity.

@Tcoat can tell you about using it as a snowplow though, because really what I call snow is mostly ice down here.

The GT86 is more tail happy.. The Scion FRS is more kid friendly and the BRZeee is an under steering pig.

I suggest you get yourself Honda Civic with 'drift mode' as this will give you more options as to when you want to drift or not..

Oversteer is never a problem for me... ;)

OP, you will be fine. It's a well-balanced car (I'm sure there will be a heated discussion about what that means shortly) and it is very forgiving. It's a great car for just driving, just note that giving it a boot-ful of gas in a turn may cause oversteer.

How much is a boot-ful you ask? Well, go find an open space make a 90 degree turn and hit the gas to find out ;)

Aren't the spring rates still softer in front vs rear on BRZ?
Just closer to the same front and back for a more neutral feel in corners.

I will fight you.

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Well you ain't sen us get off topic yet!

As the previous owner of three top trim Lancers (not Evos) I can assure you with 100% confidence this is ten times the car and you will not accidently "drift" unless you are really pushing it. Forget that it is RWD since most of what you hear about driving one is pure myth created by generations used to FWD.

With REAL snow tires (not "performance" ones or supposed All Season) these things are a tank in the snow. I have had to stop in deep snow and push AWD cars out of my way to get down some streets.

I wasn't interested in being beaten by minivans but I went to e85 so I can give the bastards a run for their money

But they do to!

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I'm driving a 2015 FRS (aka Subaru) with manual transmisssion.

I'm 73 years old and this is the best fuckin car I've ever owned.

It's rear end did tend to slip when it's tires were almost balled at 48,000 miles. And that was on pavement which was almost all tar with no rock or pebbles in it.

The only time it seemed to wander very slightly at freeway speeds was when the tires were very new, car very new also. Tires not yet broken in.

Best over the road, road trip car I've ever owned.

I tried one on and it fit immediately so I bought one as soon as I could afford it.

Similar to an Italian shoe I'd say.

Don't forget to buy one.

Fuck. I knew it. Mustang time

Drifting is SLOWWWWW. Learn to drive it properly.

sorry