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frak 08-20-2020 01:55 AM

Buying a tainted BRZ
 
Lurker who has been searching for the right 2017+ BRZ to come available in my area. Getting cold feet after pulling the trigger and putting a deposit on a unique vehicle purchase.

2019 BRZ sportech rs
1180 miles
Closing price: $23428 cdn ($17729.83 usd) all in
MSRP is 33k cdn

The story with the paperwork to support it...

A Subaru dealership was broken into in 2018 and the BRZ was stolen off the show room floor. They drove it through the front door and took it on a one way trip 530 miles where it was recovered and sat in insurance limbo until it was auctioned to a shop where the body work was all fixed. The vehicle was then sold to the dealership where is sits now. The dealership is a reputable place.

The brz appears to be in mint condition and the inspection paperwork from the dealership shows the same. Subaru has void the warranty due to the history of the vehicle.

Obviously I'm aware the car was "driven like it was stolen" for at minimum half the miles and then probably test driven and such for the remaining miles which probably wasn't easy on it.....

This vehicle is being purchased as second vehicle and my intentions are to make some major modifications that would void a warranty anyways.

Just curious what you guys think.....

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soundman98 08-20-2020 02:03 AM

does it have a branded title?

considering the history, the price seems a little steep.

frak 08-20-2020 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3360114)
does it have a branded title?

considering the history, the price seems a little steep.

Sorry I'm not sure what branded means. Might be labeled differently in Canada. The status of the registration is "active" and not "rebuilt" if this is what you are referring to?

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soundman98 08-20-2020 02:13 AM

yeah, branded or salvage titled vehicles, which an insurance repossession sure fits the terms, is usually a lot closer to almost half to 2/3's the typical appraised 'clean' value most times.

thomasmryan 08-20-2020 06:40 AM

moi would keep searching.

p1l0t 08-20-2020 09:03 AM

$17k for 1200mi is a steal, lol. Sure you might have to replace something for a few grand but you're saving $7-15k so meh? Will they give you the full 30k warranty? If they will I would take it.

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DarkPira7e 08-20-2020 09:11 AM

If the damage was just on the surface (no impact) then I don't see why not. If they had to replace anything suspension related or the front crash beam, hell no.

frak 08-20-2020 10:10 AM

Inspections and repairs show that the damage was all cosmetic.

How sensitive is the fa20 during the break in period?

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Dzmitry 08-20-2020 03:19 PM

There's many that skip the break in and go all in from the get go as they don't believe in it. I've read it plenty of times in the early years of this car. Honestly, I believe it's a total steal, based on your opinion of course. I would never buy something like that as my intention was to go new and untouched. But in your case, if you don't care, that's an incredible deal and the car should have no real engine problems as it is practically unheard of in stock form, minus the recall models.

I also think it's hilarious that out of all the cars out there, someone chose to hop in a BRZ and bust out of the dealership. :bellyroll:

thomasmryan 08-20-2020 06:13 PM

"Subaru has void the warranty due to the history of the vehicle."

wolffbite 08-20-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thomasmryan (Post 3360365)
"Subaru has void the warranty due to the history of the vehicle."

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my intentions are to make some major modifications that would void a warranty anyways.
Seems like an OK deal to me since it doesn't have rebuilt status.

p1l0t 08-20-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thomasmryan (Post 3360365)
"Subaru has void the warranty due to the history of the vehicle."

Oh, I missed that part. Will the reputable dealer issue an extended warranty for free? lol..

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SUSPECT_BRZ 08-20-2020 11:24 PM

I would negotiate some sort of warranty as well but at that price it's a steal. And if it's a project car and cosmetic wise it looks great, then who cares really? I say go for it!

SUSPECT_BRZ 08-20-2020 11:24 PM

Post some pictures of the ride too!

frak 08-21-2020 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dzmitry (Post 3360285)
There's many that skip the break in and go all in from the get go as they don't believe in it. I've read it plenty of times in the early years of this car. Honestly, I believe it's a total steal, based on your opinion of course. I would never buy something like that as my intention was to go new and untouched. But in your case, if you don't care, that's an incredible deal and the car should have no real engine problems as it is practically unheard of in stock form, minus the recall models.



I also think it's hilarious that out of all the cars out there, someone chose to hop in a BRZ and bust out of the dealership. :bellyroll:

That's a relief to hear! No one seems to be too worried about the existing miles

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frak 08-21-2020 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SUSPECT_BRZ (Post 3360459)
Post some pictures of the ride too!

Just a picture at the dealership but I will post a better picture if it ends up in my drivewayhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1dc27c4216.jpg

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Dave-ROR 08-21-2020 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thomasmryan (Post 3360365)
"Subaru has void the warranty due to the history of the vehicle."

Subaru (and everyone else) will always do this for a car with anything but a perfectly clean title history.

IMO the price seems fair but I'd still try to get some money off simply because some people won't want to risk a theft recovery.

As for the break in, it's fine.

But damn.. that 4x4 mode in the pic is not fine.

frak 08-21-2020 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 3360487)
Subaru (and everyone else) will always do this for a car with anything but a perfectly clean title history.

IMO the price seems fair but I'd still try to get some money off simply because some people won't want to risk a theft recovery.

As for the break in, it's fine.

But damn.. that 4x4 mode in the pic is not fine.

4x4 mode?

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Dave-ROR 08-21-2020 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by frak (Post 3360491)
4x4 mode?

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That ride height.. I guess it's normal I just haven't really owned one at stock height in 8 years.

I guess I've rebuilt a few and sold them at stock height but I never really looked at them in a pic like the one you posted.. that fender gap is huge ha

CincyJohn 08-21-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frak (Post 3360482)
Just a picture at the dealership but I will post a better picture if it ends up in my drivewayhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1dc27c4216.jpg

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I would jump all over that. The price discount makes up for any potential downsides and pays for the turbo kit and install to boot!!

why? 08-21-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 3360508)
That ride height.. I guess it's normal I just haven't really owned one at stock height in 8 years.

I guess I've rebuilt a few and sold them at stock height but I never really looked at them in a pic like the one you posted.. that fender gap is huge ha

Lucky to live in flat Florida. Only reason I would move back.

Dadhawk 08-21-2020 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 3360487)
Subaru (and everyone else) will always do this for a car with anything but a perfectly clean title history..

Not sure I follow, I've had plenty of warranty service done on vehicles that likely had something less than a clean record. Cosmetic damage should not void a mechanical warranty, and it sounds as if this does have a clean title.

Dave-ROR 08-21-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3360640)
Not sure I follow, I've had plenty of warranty service done on vehicles that likely had something less than a clean record. Cosmetic damage should not void a mechanical warranty, and it sounds as if this does have a clean title.

My guess is this thing has a branded title given him comment about the warranty coverage.

frak 08-21-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 3360646)
My guess is this thing has a branded title given him comment about the warranty coverage.

No... it has an active title not rebuilt.

Rebuilt = branded in Canada

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Dave-ROR 08-21-2020 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by frak (Post 3360657)
No... it has an active title not rebuilt.

Rebuilt = branded in Canada

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I would imagine that Canada has more branded title options than just rebuilt.

Maybe Subaru of Canada sucks but they can't wholesale void a title here without a branded title.

@Tcoat likely knows the dumb, but relevant, Canadian laws.

If it's not branded there's no reason for Subaru to deny warranty.

Tcoat 08-21-2020 10:54 PM

It became a “branded” title the minute it was paid for by insurance. The claim was likely not for the damage so much as it took a while to find and they paid out. This is supported by the info that it was sold at auction. It would be classed as a recovered vehicle not a rebuild.
As far as the warranty goes you just need to balance the probability of a costly repair against the reduced price. As we have seen the likelihood of an expensive Warranty claim on a post 13 is remote so I personally would not even worry much about that. There is also the option of paying for an extended warranty but you would need to speak to the dealer about that.

I myself would consider such a car if looking for the best value for the dollar I could find.

frak 08-21-2020 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3360752)
It became a “branded” title the minute it was paid for by insurance. The claim was likely not for the damage so much as it took a while to find and they paid out. This is supported by the info that it was sold at auction. It would be classed as a recovered vehicle not a rebuild.
As far as the warranty goes you just need to balance the probability of a costly repair against the reduced price. As we have seen the likelihood of an expensive Warranty claim on a post 13 is remote so I personally would not even worry much about that. There is also the option of paying for an extended warranty but you would need to speak to the dealer about that.

I myself would consider such a car if looking for the best value for the dollar I could find.

Makes sense. [emoji482]

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Tcoat 08-22-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 3360508)
That ride height.. I guess it's normal I just haven't really owned one at stock height in 8 years.

I guess I've rebuilt a few and sold them at stock height but I never really looked at them in a pic like the one you posted.. that fender gap is huge ha

The stock height is just suitable for monster trucks! Even though I winter drive it I still will lower. The gap is more noticeable on the red and orange since it gives a big black void. The Hakone green covers up that wheel gap pretty well but it still bothers me every time I walk up from the side.

wbradley 08-22-2020 02:12 PM

We'd all like to see the surveillance video of the bust out!!!

nikitopo 08-22-2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3360841)
The stock height is just suitable for monster trucks! Even though I winter drive it I still will lower. The gap is more noticeable on the red and orange since it gives a big black void. The Hakone green covers up that wheel gap pretty well but it still bothers me every time I walk up from the side.

What are you thinking? Lowering springs?

p1l0t 08-22-2020 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3360841)
The stock height is just suitable for monster trucks! Even though I winter drive it I still will lower. The gap is more noticeable on the red and orange since it gives a big black void. The Hakone green covers up that wheel gap pretty well but it still bothers me every time I walk up from the side.

What about wheel skirts like 50s style? I would have done a better photoshop job but I'm on my phone since I'm away on a jet trip.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c8d7202b69.jpg

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Tcoat 08-22-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3360856)
What are you thinking? Lowering springs?

No. I had those on the FRS and loved the height but didn’t like the clearance in the winter. Never had any real issue but this time around will go with something adjustable so I can raise in winter and drop in summer. Haven’t really decided which ones yet

Tcoat 08-22-2020 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by p1l0t (Post 3360857)
What about wheel skirts like 50s style? I would have done a better photoshop job but I'm on my phone since I'm away on a jet trip.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c8d7202b69.jpg

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Ummmmmmm
No

p1l0t 08-22-2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3360861)
Ummmmmmm

No

Thank you for the brief consideration.

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frak 08-22-2020 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3360854)
We'd all like to see the surveillance video of the bust out!!!

Lol yes! I wish. Should come with the car

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soundman98 08-22-2020 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by p1l0t (Post 3360857)
What about wheel skirts like 50s style? I would have done a better photoshop job but I'm on my phone since I'm away on a jet trip.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c8d7202b69.jpg

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i feel like this would be a fun STi Type-R mod...

might have to make some out of some painted cardboard/plastic sheet and run around for a bit.

p1l0t 08-23-2020 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3360912)
i feel like this would be a fun STi Type-R mod...



might have to make some out of some painted cardboard/plastic sheet and run around for a bit.

Could probably make one on a 3D printer, I mean it's not structural. I think there are already mount spots for the wheel well liner.

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soundman98 08-23-2020 01:14 AM

that's quite a poor use of a printer. not many printers have that large of a build area, and a print over that size would be susceptible to warping while printing to get the thickness needed. not to mention the time it would take to print-- likely close to 3-4 days per side.

i can cut out and blowtorch a piece of plexiglass into the right shape and mounting tabs in a couple hours with paint...

Tcoat 08-23-2020 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3361028)
that's quite a poor use of a printer. not many printers have that large of a build area, and a print over that size would be susceptible to warping while printing to get the thickness needed. not to mention the time it would take to print-- likely close to 3-4 days per side.

i can cut out and blowtorch a piece of plexiglass into the right shape and mounting tabs in a couple hours with paint...

I will laugh my ass off at anybody silly enough to do this.
Save that look for the led sleds.

nikitopo 08-23-2020 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3360860)
No. I had those on the FRS and loved the height but didn’t like the clearance in the winter. Never had any real issue but this time around will go with something adjustable so I can raise in winter and drop in summer. Haven’t really decided which ones yet

I know what you're saying. I remember mine when it was stock and the wheel gap was annoying. Having said that, if I buy a new one I will not change anything at all. I tried in the past the Zachs performance coilovers and Bilstein yellow shocks (STI spec'd) and even though they were both "better", there was always a kinda of compromise.


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