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>(559)< FR-s 08-13-2020 11:41 AM

First clear look at GR86 / BRZ prototype during testing
 
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Westen86 08-13-2020 11:49 AM

This looks like a sheet metal upgrade. The core unibody looks the same. Modular 2.4 engine crammed in.

Sasquachulator 08-13-2020 12:02 PM

-Dash looks flat, i dont see a tablet stuck onto the top of it, just the gauge cluster hood.

-And im not liking the fact they have the Lexus F side vent....wish it had its own design.

-It appears the front tire bulges are gone, the hoodline seems to have been raised up to match the top of the old bulges. Dunno if its enough to have an i4 fit, but maybe a turbo option could now?

Vides990 08-13-2020 12:09 PM

The bubbled front fenders are def gone, that's a bummer, that's one of my fav features. Definitely looks like they've supraized it, I even see some bmw in it. Looks like it will still look good but to me doesn't seem as clean and more overdone.

Westen86 08-13-2020 12:25 PM

Anybody see the Rocket Bunny style accent on the rear arch? How it cuts in in the back.

Marrk 08-13-2020 12:31 PM

Where can I see info about changes to the powertrain? :D

DarkPira7e 08-13-2020 12:35 PM

The front windows look more narrow... Hopefully it's an illusion of the wrap.

Ash_89 08-13-2020 12:36 PM

The absent flared fenders (which will be missed) and raised hood/bonnet makes the engine proposition interesting, if it's going to be NA to not compete with the 2L Supra could it be getting something with more character?

I assume the FA24 wouldn't need much more space over the FA20, so does that suggest it won't actually be the FA24 as speculated... LET FURTHER SPECULATION BEGIN!

glorydays 08-13-2020 12:38 PM

hoping for no more bumper sag issues

VenomRush 08-13-2020 12:39 PM

Im a little offended its not wowing me or exciting me in the slightest :(

nos145 08-13-2020 12:44 PM

The new design is not my cup of tea... The original exterior I think is much better...

Waiting on mechanical updates to leak.

phm14 08-13-2020 12:44 PM

Nice! Looking forward to more details...

BRZ FTW 08-13-2020 12:51 PM

- Subaru EyeSight
- Third brake in duck bill spoiler

looks like this might be a 350z -> 370z type generation.

FitchAlcyone 08-13-2020 12:54 PM

When the original video came out (last week?), I thought the tails had a very Imprezaesque look to the shape. These photos really add to that, finally giving the eventual BRZ a more cohesive look with the rest of the Subaru lineup.

Now the only question is, whose face are we looking at right now? Headlight art makes me think Toyota. (And I'm still gunning for another happy face on the BRZ.)

PREDATOR786 08-13-2020 01:00 PM

I'm hoping there's a whole lot of fake panels covering the actual lines like the GR Supra mules had. Right now it looks like a late model Hyundai Tiburon that we had here in SA in the mid 2000s.

pastuch 08-13-2020 01:01 PM

I still think the original BRZ & FT86 are the best looking version of each car. Not liking the design direction since inception, super bland.

Had a BRZ for 6 years. Traded her in for 2014 BMW M235i Xdrive with 50000km for only $28000 (after tax), the BRZ cost me $33000 new in 2012. I have to say, the value of a lightly used M240i with a stick and low mileage makes this new vanilla looking 86 look pretty bad (Also the Supra.) The M235/240 series is statistically one of the most reliable cars BMW has ever made and I absolutely adore mine. Not to take anything away from the FT86 platform, I loved that car, auto crossed it and had a mountain of laughs. I miss it, buying a second car, 2019 Miata ND2 next.

Dzmitry 08-13-2020 01:05 PM

Could be totally wrong, but I'm not so sure the fender flares are "gone" per say. They may be slightly more hidden, but from looking at the photos, I still see them. If you compare to photos of the current gen, they don't stand out in pictures all that much either. I believe the different hood design gives it that perception. Who knows.

Ash_89 08-13-2020 01:05 PM

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The flared fenders might still be there, but less pronounced and hard to tell because of the camouflage wrap.

The hood looks dark were as the flare is lighter.

Traum 08-13-2020 01:05 PM

Generally speaking, the exterior changes look minor to me, although the (duckbill?) spoiler kind of looks like it doesn't integrate / flow well with the rest of the rear end lines from certain angles. I hope to front openings on the sides of the bumper and the front side vents have real functional aerodynamic purposes, and aren't just pretender looking parts.

Kind of disappointing that after 7 - 8 long years (which dates back to 13 years if you start counting from the first time when the concept car was shown), it seems like we are still only gonna get a major facelift on the car.

Westen86 08-13-2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZ FTW (Post 3357664)
looks like this might be a 350z -> 370z type generation.

This was the reference I was looking for.

ZDan 08-13-2020 01:26 PM

Looks good! FWIW it looks to me like the fender "bulges" have just been stretched lengthwise from front of bumper all the way back to the back of the hood, instead of being more localized features right above the wheels. If anything it seems like the hood itself may be lower?

My main "styling" gripe continues to be the way-shoved-aft rear wheels. Would greatly prefer a more cab-rearward 2-seater version with the rear wheels located immediately aft of the front seats. Which would also immensely help with the weight distribution.

Been saying this for years but they should make a 2-seat "Toyota 2000GT" or "2400GT", and Subaru "BRX"(?) or whatev-name version!

Ryephile 08-13-2020 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by >(559)< FR-s (Post 3357639)


There are a few things I'm seeing of note



*headlights are now ovoid and flush kind of like a 3rd gen Viper, not bulging yet sunken like 1st gen. IMO a big improvement. I'm also relieved they didn't copy the heinous Supra design language with all its fake vents everywhere.



*I don't see an indication of an intercooler behind the grill; n/a test mule or sign of no-turbo?


*The hood and fender design is visually heavier but also more balanced. The dainty fender apexes are gone, but there's still fender bulges to locate the tires from the cockpit. Also the hood/fender gap is now outboard slightly so it shouldn't be as obvious from the driver seat like the current gen.



*Lexus IS-F style fender exit vent. Note that both the bumper and fender vents are functional; certain angles you can see daylight through them. No fake vents = major plus.



*From the side profile, the angle of the front grill and two fender vents are all parallel, very nice


*the way the cowl meets the door and a-pillar is smoothed out, yet the door cut-line is now changed to overlap the a-pillar, which is strange. So, improved but also a bit odd


*The side sills look beefier, adding visual weight and making the car look more planted.



*The rear quarter windows now have a Hofmeister kink, cool!


*the rear end now has Aston Martin Vantage (trunk lid) and Acura CL (tail light) vibes, which I'm OK with. License plate is now in the bumper. Finally, the CHMSL is integrated into the [duckbill] trunk. Also note the turn signal is separate from the tail and running lights, YAY!



Overall I'm seeing a lot of improvements to the design with minimal negatives. I'm not seeing much or any body padding; the surfaces look legit. We'll see how it turns out when the camo is lifted, but this initial look is good.

Spuds 08-13-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3357688)
Looks good! FWIW it looks to me like the fender "bulges" have just been stretched lengthwise from front of bumper all the way back to the back of the hood, instead of being more localized features right above the wheels. If anything it seems like the hood itself may be lower?

My main "styling" gripe continues to be the way-shoved-aft rear wheels. Would greatly prefer a more cab-rearward 2-seater version with the rear wheels located immediately aft of the front seats. Which would also immensely help with the weight distribution.

Been saying this for years but they should make a 2-seat "Toyota 2000GT" or "2400GT", and Subaru "BRX"(?) or whatev-name version!

I think it's more the center front section of the hood has been raised. Either due to evolving pedestrian safety standards, taller engine bay peripherals (such as radiator), or different engine layout entirely...

ZDan 08-13-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3357697)
I think it's more the center front section of the hood has been raised. Either due to evolving pedestrian safety standards, taller engine bay peripherals (such as radiator), or different engine layout entirely...

It doesn't look to me like it has been raised. I think the lengthening of the fender bulges makes them look less exaggerated. On the 1st gen cars they aren't all that high really relative to the hood. IMO it looks like the fender/hood height differential remains about the same. 1st gen hood isn't particularly low really, especially coming from an S2000!

Ryephile 08-13-2020 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3357700)
It doesn't look to me like it has been raised. I think the lengthening of the fender bulges makes them look less exaggerated. On the 1st gen cars they aren't all that high really relative to the hood. IMO it looks like the fender/hood height differential remains about the same. 1st gen hood isn't particularly low really, especially coming from an S2000!




Agreed. The front fenders are now more a homogeneous teardrop shape from headlight to cowl instead of an arrow with fender apex bulges. The center of the hood appears to still be the roughly same shape. The visual effect from a side profile is the car looks bigger, but it should be more aerodynamic while also easier to stamp sheetmetal.

Spuds 08-13-2020 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3357656)
The front windows look more narrow... Hopefully it's an illusion of the wrap.

Comparison to my car right now, the whole front glass line is definitely an inch higher at the least. The side windows look to be lined up with the hood rather than below it.

Spuds 08-13-2020 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3357700)
It doesn't look to me like it has been raised. I think the lengthening of the fender bulges makes them look less exaggerated. On the 1st gen cars they aren't all that high really relative to the hood. IMO it looks like the fender/hood height differential remains about the same. 1st gen hood isn't particularly low really, especially coming from an S2000!

Well, I guess we will find out for sure in a year or so lol.

NaturallyAspirated 08-13-2020 01:58 PM

In the pic below you can see the badges covered up.

Based on the shape of the hidden badge on the lower right corner of the trunk, could this be the GR/GT86 (Toyota) version? You can clearly see the round part of the badge that makes up the "86" logo. As for the left of the badge, I'm leaning more towards "GR" instead of "GT" mainly due to the parallelogram-ish shape but I suppose both "GR" and "GT" can form the same shape (especially underneath the wrap).

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...9&d=1597333238

https://i.imgur.com/EAzttGK.png

https://i.imgur.com/o7Yxz3l.png

Spuds 08-13-2020 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaturallyAspirated (Post 3357714)
In the pic below you can see the badges covered up.

Based on the shape of the hidden badge on the lower right corner of the trunk, could this be the GR/GT86 (Toyota) version? You can clearly see the round part of the badge that makes up the "86" logo. As for the left of the badge, I'm leaning more towards "GR" instead of "GT" mainly due to the parallelogram-ish shape but I suppose both "GR" and "GT" can form the same shape (especially underneath the wrap).

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...9&d=1597333238

https://i.imgur.com/EAzttGK.png

https://i.imgur.com/o7Yxz3l.png

Also, isn't that the TRD exhaust?

Sasquachulator 08-13-2020 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaturallyAspirated (Post 3357714)
In the pic below you can see the badges covered up.

Based on the shape of the hidden badge on the lower right corner of the trunk, could this be the GR/GT86 (Toyota) version? You can clearly see the round part of the badge that makes up the "86" logo. As for the left of the badge, I'm leaning more towards "GR" instead of "GT" mainly due to the parallelogram-ish shape but I suppose both "GR" and "GT" can form the same shape (especially underneath the wrap).

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...9&d=1597333238

https://i.imgur.com/EAzttGK.png

https://i.imgur.com/o7Yxz3l.png

Theres no GR version...its likely a name change to GR86 as rumored.
The Supra also has a GR badge on the back, its officially named the GR Supra, but no one starts with GR...they just call it supra.

Jordanwolf 08-13-2020 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3357720)
Also, isn't that the TRD exhaust?

That's the stock exhaust on 2016+ cars. Maybe 2015.

Spuds 08-13-2020 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3357725)
That's the stock exhaust on 2016+ cars. Maybe 2015.

:bonk:

mazeroni 08-13-2020 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaturallyAspirated (Post 3357714)
In the pic below you can see the badges covered up.

I caught that too. I'm guessing that it will say GR86, but not sure about the design. The square black and red GR badge wouldn't look good next to the chrome and circular 86 logo.

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 08-13-2020 02:20 PM

Looks good, and I like that it's ahead of the Mustang haha. Albeit they must be testing the turbo 4 stang

Veloist 08-13-2020 02:21 PM

Not really a pro on tires but do those look like Michelin Pilot Sport 4's?
If those are then it looks like the whole platform is moving more toward what the BRZ tS is all about.

gordo52 08-13-2020 02:22 PM

Those brakes are small. There is no turbo.

NoHaveMSG 08-13-2020 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westen86 (Post 3357642)
This looks like a sheet metal upgrade. The core unibody looks the same. Modular 2.4 engine crammed in.

That is what I said in the other "first look" thread. These are a lot better images then the video that was posted.

Maybe this is just a GR body kit for existing GT86's and Toyota is pulling an epic troll job on the internet :iono:

NoHaveMSG 08-13-2020 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordo52 (Post 3357732)
Those brakes are small. There is no turbo.

The real problem with the brakes is you can't see the pads.

2Wavy 08-13-2020 02:25 PM

I have a feeling those fender vents and the vents on the sides of the grille are functional. These pictures were taken of an earlier 86 prototype and it looks like it has the same front grille vents and similar fender vents. I'm assuming they'd only test that car with those vents in place if they were functional?
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/Ey...-spy-photo.jpg
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/NX...-spy-photo.jpg

BFIFE22 08-13-2020 02:26 PM

I wonder if that strip on the trunk is going to be a light bar or just some black/chrome trim


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