Originally Posted by GreggVA (Post 3357054)

Takes 225 flash points for an FRS/BR

https://ecutek.zendesk.com/hc/en-gb/...d-Flash-Points

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3357062)

Did you already have the cable and dongle, or did you buy them in the same transaction? You need to send them (Ft86speedfactory) your dongle ID and ask why there are no points.

How long have you had the data, and most importantly, where did the tuner get that basemap from?

Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 3357417)

The license is applied to the dongle by the seller, it's done by an online portal. Once that's done you use the EcuTek update to download that to the laptop and then you can flash the ECU. Basically you need ft86speedfactory to sort it out.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3360464)

Each ECU only needs to be licensed once, and you can tune/alter/change/whatever it as many times as you'd like.

If you're still waiting for flash points, CSG can get you your flash points within a business day.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3360468)

But we have to PURCHASE those flash points from you, correct?

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3360526)

Yes, you'd want to ask for a refund from your original vendor in this case if they can't get it to you in a timely manner.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3360464)

Each ECU only needs to be licensed once, and you can tune/alter/change/whatever it as many times as you'd like.

If you're still waiting for flash points, CSG can get you your flash points within a business day.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3360534)

So no matter who we acquire flash points from, we still MUST purchase them before we can do any flashing of our ECU's. Correct?

So even though we've already purchased the license, the software, the hardware, we've downloaded the program, got it running, connected everything from the OBD port to our PC, performed a ROM dump, and are ready to flash the ECU, and since our dongles don't come with any flash points already through the original purchase of the kit, and if we haven't purchased any via web store, we can't do any flashing at all. Correct?

I suppose that's how EcuTek stays in business and is able to continue their research and development of their products. I get that. Nobody should work for free.

But they should at least explain all of that up front before one makes any purchases. I believe this is what the OP meant when he started this thread.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3360598)

Your license is the flash points. Your vendor should have explained this to you, or have made the process much easier/simpler.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3360617)

So then there's no need to create an account at the EcuTek webstore to purchase any (or additional) flash points? This has not been made clear on EcuTek's website, resulting in the confusion that has been brought up here.

So the EcuTek help topic posted earlier here,

https://ecutek.zendesk.com/hc/en-gb/...d-Flash-Points

which shows the chart with all of the different tuning classes and flash point amounts needed for each class, does not apply if you have purchased a license with your ProECU kit?

Strange, because the help topic seems to be written to explain that the flash points system has SUPERCEDED the license system. Or are the license system and flash points system BOTH CURRENTLY in use?

Do you see the confusion that has been unintentionally created here, or is it just me?

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3360621)

Ultimately, you as the end user, shouldn't be dealing with this at all.

License points are what it costs to license an ecu. Different ECUs have different license point costs.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3360621)

Ultimately, you as the end user, shouldn't be dealing with this at all.



License points are what it costs to license an ecu. Different ECUs have different license point costs.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3360715)

Here's an update:



I called Dynosty today who I originally purchased my ProECU kit from, and spoke with their Master Tuner, Hal.



He explained to me that when you purchase the ProECU dongle and Deskey drive which contains the license, the only thing that you can do yourself from that point, after downloading the ProECU software and getting it installed onto your PC and updated with all of the software and hardware driver updates, is basic diagnostics, extract vehicle and VIN information, identify your ECU's current ROM build and perform a ROM dump.



Until you purchase flash points (225 for the FR-S, BRZ and 86) to allow programming of only ONE ECU, you cannot flash any tuning files to your vehicle.



Until you purchase the RaceROM add-on for your ProECU software, you cannot perform any self tuning of your vehicle.



The flash point fee and RaceROM add-on fee are two separate purchases.



The system is set up so that you must purchase flash points or the RaceROM add-on from the shop that sold you the ProECU kit. In my case, Dynosty. (This, however can be changed by contacting another EcuTek authorized shop.)



I just purchased the required 225 flash points from Dynosty that I will need to enable me to flash the base tune file that was sent to me by Harrop, and now have them ready and displayed in the Feature & Licensing Information section under the Help tab of my ProECU software and listed as Remaining Flash Points.



Once these flash points are depleted with the first flash of this one particular ECU, no more flash points will be needed to make adjustments or to re-flash this ECU. And unless the tuning file is unlocked by your tuner, you still may not be able to make changes to the base file that was provided to you.



If, however you have the proper knowledge and skills to create a tune for yourself, then it may be to your benefit to purchase the RaceROM add-on, then you can make any adjustments that you desire to your own tune files that you are creating.



I have not yet decided if I want to purchase the RaceROM add-on, which as I stated previously, is a separate purchase. I'll cross that bridge when I burn it.

Originally Posted by mike_b (Post 3360750)

Ecutek licensing is the dumbest shit. And the fact that you can’t buy direct from them and have to deal with a 3rd party takes it to the next level. It’s too bad Cobb never made an AP for this platform.

Originally Posted by zberz (Post 3360724)

I paid for a license and cable from ft86speedfactory.com and thought the license meant I could flash my car with the map my tuner gave me. If that should have been the case, I'm ready to call my credit card issuer and dispute this. Am I mistaken? What good is a license that doesn't let you do anything?

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Originally Posted by zberz (Post 3360724)

I paid for a license and cable from ft86speedfactory.com and thought the license meant I could flash my car with the map my tuner gave me. If that should have been the case, I'm ready to call my credit card issuer and dispute this. Am I mistaken? What good is a license that doesn't let you do anything?

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Originally Posted by zberz (Post 3360723)

So the "license" doesn't actually let you do anything that a regular bluetooth ODB2 reader can't? @CSG Mike Is this the case?

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Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3360715)

Here's an update:

I called Dynosty today who I originally purchased my ProECU kit from, and spoke with their Master Tuner, Hal.

He explained to me that when you purchase the ProECU dongle and Deskey drive which contains the license, the only thing that you can do yourself from that point, after downloading the ProECU software and getting it installed onto your PC and updated with all of the software and hardware driver updates, is basic diagnostics, extract vehicle and VIN information, identify your ECU's current ROM build and perform a ROM dump.

Until you purchase flash points (225 for the FR-S, BRZ and 86) to allow programming of only ONE ECU, you cannot flash any tuning files to your vehicle.

Until you purchase the RaceROM add-on for your ProECU software, you cannot perform any self tuning of your vehicle.

The flash point fee and RaceROM add-on fee are two separate purchases.

The system is set up so that you must purchase flash points or the RaceROM add-on from the shop that sold you the ProECU kit. In my case, Dynosty. (This, however can be changed by contacting another EcuTek authorized shop.)

I just purchased the required 225 flash points from Dynosty that I will need to enable me to flash the base tune file that was sent to me by Harrop, and now have them ready and displayed in the Feature & Licensing Information section under the Help tab of my ProECU software and listed as Remaining Flash Points.

Once these flash points are depleted with the first flash of this one particular ECU, no more flash points will be needed to make adjustments or to re-flash this ECU. And unless the tuning file is unlocked by your tuner, you still may not be able to make changes to the base file that was provided to you.

If, however you have the proper knowledge and skills to create a tune for yourself, then it may be to your benefit to purchase the RaceROM add-on, then you can make any adjustments that you desire to your own tune files that you are creating.

I have not yet decided if I want to purchase the RaceROM add-on, which as I stated previously, is a separate purchase. I'll cross that bridge when I burn it.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3360774)

Unfortunately, you won't be able to do much more with a regular OBD2 reader than what you already CAN do with it. You certainly can't program your ECU with it. Believe me, I've been down that road already. If you still want to flash your cars' ECU, you'll need EcuTek or any one of the other products that are out on the market, like Open Flash Tablet for example. And if you ever want to learn about creating tune files for your own car, EcuTek is really the best product to use since there's so much of a support base for it.

Since you're almost all the way there already, my suggestion to you is to first get your product registration changed to a different (and more responsive) shop. I would suggest contacting EcuTek again to tell them that you are wanting to change your product registration to an EcuTek Master Tuner that is in closer proximity to your home address. You're going to want to dyno your car eventually, right? Find the closest one to you. You can start here:

https://www.ecutek.com/Dealers

Then knuckle-down and purchase the 225 flash points like I did today to get your foot the rest of the way in the door and take it from there. Be ready to put some time into reading and educating yourself on a whole mess of subjects. I've been learning as much as I can absorb for the past year since I purchased my FR-S and I'm STILL learning. It takes time and dedication to learn. If only I didn't have to worry about work.....

If I may ask, and you can PM me if you'd rather not specify on a public forum, where in the U.S. are you located?

Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 3361391)

@FR-S2GT86 @zberz you don't need get in contact, in general, with EcuTek direct. There's no need to change who your dongle ID was originally registered with. I don't understand how people get it so wrong or confused.

Read this thread - it spells it out quite easily

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3361604)

So, not necessary to change the tuner information in your ProECU software. Got it.

And RaceROM gets you more features and tuning abilities than you would normally have with just the basic kit, but you still CAN tune with the basic kit. Got it.

Other than that, is everything else I stated in my update after my call to Dynosty correct? If it is, I'll go ahead and edit the information in that update.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3361768)

For the most part yes, but it may be more beneficial for other readers to see the non-edited version.

Hopefully you get this sorted out quickly. This is literally a matter of minutes unless the Ecutek server is down (unlikely but possible).