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frostyfrs 07-29-2020 12:44 AM

2013 rev matching?
 
So I have had my frs for about a week now, and when downshifting, If I am holding the brake, press in the clutch, and downshift, the car rev matches by itself. It only does it when around 30-40 and only when the brake is engaged. Is this something that all of them do or did the person previous to me make it do this?

humfrz 07-29-2020 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3352902)
So I have had my frs for about a week now, and when downshifting, If I am holding the break, press in the clutch, and downshift, the car rev matches by itself. It only does it when around 30-40 and only when the break is engaged. Is this something that all of them do or did the person previous to me make it do this?

First off, the car part is called a "brake" not a "break" - ;)

Second off, it's not customary to push on the brake when downshifting.

My 2013 MT FR-S does not rev match (unless I make it do that).

:)

GCFSA 07-29-2020 01:23 AM

afaik the 86 doesn't auto revmatch. What I've notice happen though is sometimes when I brake and clutch in at lower rpms it'll automatically give it a bit of gas/rev up a little.

I think it's just to prevent stalling because in lower gears (not sure about higher ones) I've noticed during heavy traffic it'll actually still keep moving even if I'm not giving it any gas at very low speeds (10-15kmph?)

EndlessAzure 07-29-2020 01:51 AM

It might have a tune on the ECU?


If it has an Ecutek tune on it, it might have auto-blip enabled for downshifting. It has occurs under very specific conditions: 1. must be braking, 2. must be above 3k rpm, 3. only occurs when clutch pedal is depressed

Brz-123 07-29-2020 03:49 AM

It has an ecu tune most likely by ECUTek. The easiest way to know if it has or not is pull your cruise control stalk towards you and the rev counter will move to 1,2,3 or4K RPMs indicating the tune options.
The above post is correct on when its activated but during tune, the tuner can set it to come above a certain RPM or more commonly above a certain speed , say 30 Kmph.

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alex87f 07-29-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EndlessAzure (Post 3352913)
It might have a tune on the ECU?


If it has an Ecutek tune on it, it might have auto-blip enabled for downshifting. It has occurs under very specific conditions: 1. must be braking, 2. must be above 3k rpm, 3. only occurs when clutch pedal is depressed

I read somewhere that all these tunes do is open the throttle when the conditions are met, but they don't "aim" for a certain RPM based on target gear and speed like some modern cars do. It's up to the driver to "catch" the RPM at the right level.

Is that correct?

Th3rdSun 07-29-2020 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3352902)
So I have had my frs for about a week now, and when downshifting, If I am holding the break, press in the clutch, and downshift, the car rev matches by itself. It only does it when around 30-40 and only when the break is engaged. Is this something that all of them do or did the person previous to me make it do this?


Pretty sure that's not a stock feature. I have a 2013 as well,but it's NA. I heel-toe downshift and throttle blip all the time,and I can tell you,there is no auto rev matching.


As others have said,it has to be your tune.

Grady 07-29-2020 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by alex87f (Post 3352971)
I read somewhere that all these tunes do is open the throttle when the conditions are met, but they don't "aim" for a certain RPM based on target gear and speed like some modern cars do. It's up to the driver to "catch" the RPM at the right level.

Is that correct?

Correct, it is called down shift blip, not rev matching. You have to shift quickly in order for it to work good.

dnieves 07-29-2020 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GCFSA (Post 3352907)
afaik the 86 doesn't auto revmatch. What I've notice happen though is sometimes when I brake and clutch in at lower rpms it'll automatically give it a bit of gas/rev up a little.

I think it's just to prevent stalling because in lower gears (not sure about higher ones) I've noticed during heavy traffic it'll actually still keep moving even if I'm not giving it any gas at very low speeds (10-15kmph?)



It keeps moving/creeping without hitting the gas pedal and brake (like an ATX) especially when the car is on an incline.

frostyfrs 07-29-2020 01:29 PM

After some further inspection, I learned that when I pull the cruise control, the rpms switch from between 1-4. Im assuming the previous owners had an ECUTEK

Grady 07-29-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3353076)
After some further inspection, I learned that when I pull the cruise control, the rpms switch from between 1-4. Im assuming the previous owners had an ECUTEK

Yep you are tuned. Look around in the car for the dongle. It will look like a USB flash drive. You will not have to buy a license if you ever want to change your tune You will just need a computer and the interface. If the owner tuned it it will not be locked and you can tweak it. If it is professionally tuned you will be locked out and have to load back factory and start from scratch or buy another tune.

ls1ac 07-29-2020 02:27 PM

Did you buy it privately? Maybe you can find the previous owner.

EndlessAzure 07-29-2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by alex87f (Post 3352971)
I read somewhere that all these tunes do is open the throttle when the conditions are met, but they don't "aim" for a certain RPM based on target gear and speed like some modern cars do. It's up to the driver to "catch" the RPM at the right level.

Is that correct?

I'm not sure, but a tuner can also tweak the parameters to improve performance across the range if I'm not mistaken. The autoblip on my car is pretty reliable at any RPM and gear.

nicholaswhj 07-30-2020 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GCFSA (Post 3352907)
afaik the 86 doesn't auto revmatch. What I've notice happen though is sometimes when I brake and clutch in at lower rpms it'll automatically give it a bit of gas/rev up a little.

I think it's just to prevent stalling because in lower gears (not sure about higher ones) I've noticed during heavy traffic it'll actually still keep moving even if I'm not giving it any gas at very low speeds (10-15kmph?)

all auto will move when engaged in D bro.

GCFSA 07-30-2020 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nicholaswhj (Post 3353333)
all auto will move when engaged in D bro.

I was talking about the manual

frostyfrs 07-30-2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1ac (Post 3353109)
Did you buy it privately? Maybe you can find the previous owner.

I bought it privately, but the person I bought it from bought the car in the same state that its in already from a dealer. I dont think they even knew what they had.

Mykart 07-30-2020 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brz-123 (Post 3352941)
It has an ecu tune most likely by ECUTek. The easiest way to know if it has or not is pull your cruise control stalk towards you and the rev counter will move to 1,2,3 or4K RPMs indicating the tune options.
The above post is correct on when its activated but during tune, the tuner can set it to come above a certain RPM or more commonly above a certain speed , say 30 Kmph.

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Today I learned my car has an ECUTek tune.

Purist 07-31-2020 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3352903)

it's not customary to push on the brake when downshifting.


:)

I respectfully disagree. I would say that a very high percentage of drivers of these cars brake and downshift simultaneously. Some of them even learn to blip the throttle manually while doing so, which is what you will do when you disable the Ecutek autoblip. Enjoy your car dude :)

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TommyW 07-31-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3352903)

Second off, it's not customary to push on the brake when downshifting.


:)

It's called heel\toe downshifting and is a necessary skill on the track.

humfrz 07-31-2020 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Purist (Post 3353693)
I respectfully disagree. I would say that a very high percentage of drivers of these cars brake and downshift simultaneously. Some of them even learn to blip the throttle manually while doing so, which is what you will do when you disable the Ecutek autoblip. Enjoy your car dude :)

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Oh, that remark was directed to the OP, who is 18 and has only had his FR-S for about a week. What I meant by "customary" was the normal procedures followed by average drivers under normal driving conditions.

;)

humfrz 07-31-2020 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3353695)
It's called heel\toe downshifting and is a necessary skill on the track.

I say again:

Oh, that remark was directed to the OP, who is 18 and has only had his FR-S for about a week. What I meant by "customary" was the normal procedures followed by average drivers under normal driving conditions.

I wasn't referring to track driving - :)

Purist 07-31-2020 05:59 AM

Gotcha. I didn't notice his age.

Either way, the OP should disable the autoblip and learn to heel-toe, if he can't already that is...

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Th3rdSun 07-31-2020 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3353695)
It's called heel\toe downshifting and is a necessary skill on the track.

LOL,not anymore!

Purist 07-31-2020 10:44 AM

Autoblip: the scourge of millenial performance driving.

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TommyW 07-31-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 3353737)
LOL,not anymore!

LOL. May as well leave all the nannies on too at the track.

Tokay444 07-31-2020 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GCFSA (Post 3353335)
I was talking about the manual

If the engine is running, and you're in gear, and your foot isn't on the clutch, the car is going to move, or stall.

JD001 07-31-2020 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3352902)
So I have had my frs for about a week now, and when downshifting, If I am holding the brake, press in the clutch, and downshift, the car rev matches by itself. It only does it when around 30-40 and only when the brake is engaged. Is this something that all of them do or did the person previous to me make it do this?

My car has the EcuTek tune, when downshifting from high revs it auto-blips.

Th3rdSun 07-31-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3353823)
LOL. May as well leave all the nannies on too at the track.

Just in case anyone doesn't know what I mean,I was referring to most "sports" cars getting rid of the third pedal in favor of paddle shifters. Most of those cars come with auto rev matching,which is a sad thing that auto makers are making cars less "fun" and engaging to drive.

TommyW 07-31-2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 3353880)
Just in case anyone doesn't know what I mean,I was referring to most "sports" cars getting rid of the third pedal in favor of paddle shifters. Most of those cars come with auto rev matching,which is a sad thing that auto makers are making cars less "fun" and engaging to drive.

Driving is an art. You get into things like auto blip, nannies, etc and you end up with a paint by numbers mentality. There's nothing wrong with paddles if you're just out for lap times and have mastered H pattern and heel toe. It's like starting out on the track with a low hp car. You end up being a better driver in the long run when you have to master the fundamentals of why cars do what they do.

I will say though when you get into supercar territory then paddles and nannies are necessary to just keep the car on the track for most mortals. I remember when Walter Rohrl was finished testing the first 911 GT2 he said "You don't plan on selling these to the general public now do you?"

Purist 07-31-2020 10:04 PM

Eloquently stated, TommyW. I think it would be a shame to see the demise of the manual 'box, but only because I like to drive them. Can't argue with them being quick around a track.

Maybe in the future, gearbox types will be factored in to racing classes the way all wheel drive and capacity is.

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soundman98 07-31-2020 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3353695)
It's called heel\toe downshifting and is a necessary skill on the track.

i toe/toe, and i've never been on the track. i do it because it's FUN.

TommyW 08-01-2020 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3353957)
i toe/toe, and i've never been on the track. i do it because it's FUN.

I do it on the street also. Keeps me in practice

Th3rdSun 08-01-2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3353921)
Driving is an art. You get into things like auto blip, nannies, etc and you end up with a paint by numbers mentality. There's nothing wrong with paddles if you're just out for lap times and have mastered H pattern and heel toe. It's like starting out on the track with a low hp car. You end up being a better driver in the long run when you have to master the fundamentals of why cars do what they do.

I will say though when you get into supercar territory then paddles and nannies are necessary to just keep the car on the track for most mortals. I remember when Walter Rohrl was finished testing the first 911 GT2 he said "You don't plan on selling these to the general public now do you?"


I saw Matt Farrah on Joe Rogan and he said something that made more sense than anything that I had previously heard,regarding dual clutch. He said that after a car has around 500 hp,then it becomes legit dangerous to take a hand off the wheel,and becomes pretty scary.

NARFALICIOUS 08-02-2020 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 3353854)
My car has the EcuTek tune, when downshifting from high revs it auto-blips.

wut.

I'm the worst downshifter, maybe I need to run this tune.

JD001 08-02-2020 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS (Post 3354269)
wut.

I'm the worst downshifter, maybe I need to run this tune.

Heal and toe or auto blipping really comes into play when decelerating from high speed, and you are planning to select a gear (match engine speed to the lower gear) to drive through a bend. If you're slowing to a stop then no point going through the gears as the brakes are enough.

frostyfrs 08-04-2020 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3353697)
Oh, that remark was directed to the OP, who is 18 and has only had his FR-S for about a week. What I meant by "customary" was the normal procedures followed by average drivers under normal driving conditions.

;)

I've been daily driving a stick since I was 16 years old, I've always heel toe shifted

humfrz 08-04-2020 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3354764)
I've been daily driving a stick since I was 16 years old, I've always heel toe shifted

One never knows what experience the reader has had. - ;)

I didn't mean to talk down to you.

Well, you see, I've been driving stick since I was 5 years old (over 72 years now) and I have NEVER heel toe shifted - :iono:

FRSBRZGT86FAN 08-04-2020 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3354764)
I've been daily driving a stick since I was 16 years old, I've always heel toe shifted

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3354767)
One never knows what experience the reader has had. - ;)

I didn't mean to talk down to you.

Well, you see, I've been driving stick since I was 5 years old (over 72 years now) and I have NEVER heel toe shifted - :iono:


So much experience for a 16-18 year old that he couldn't use the search function to learn that the car has a ecutek racerom:bonk:


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