Leftover 2019
 

Hi everyone,
I have been a fan of the BRZ since they first came out. I came close to buying one a couple of times over the years but never managed to pull the trigger. First time around I ended up with a 2012 wrx, then in 2017, I ended up with a GTI. I kick myself for never having driven one yet!

Anyway the time has come to either put some money into the VW or trade up and I came across a 19 limited with PP and manual of course for the right price. What kind of financing is Subaru offering on the leftover new vehicles? How is it as a daily, real world gas mileage? How about the comfort?

Thanks all!

I would hold off for the new gen that's coming out next year. Honestly for me i wish i had bought back a mk7 gti instead of the brz. BRZ is king of handling out of all the the cars I've owned but most days when i want want power and comfort it's not here. I own a 2016. These cars rattle a lot when daily driving. If this is a weekend warrior by all means do it (again wait for that fa24 tho).

Pros for me:
Wheels and tires make a huge difference.
Handles amazing on the twisties.
Shift is great with some modifications (kinda of a toss compared to a diesel geek ss in a gti)
Mods are endless.
Honestly it breaks necks.

Cons for me (which are not a lot)
Lacks power even with a header and tune.
Noise box everything rattles.


These are all my opinions. So take it with a grain of salt.


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Ask Subaru what deals they have not a forum. Different regions and dealers can have different deals.

Hold out for what next gen? The one that may or may not show up at all? The one that nobody knows a single real detail about?
It could pay off big or you could be making the mistake of your car buying life. Major crap shoot at this point in time.
If the deal is good buy. If not then wait for the right one to come along but waiting for a total unknown is a gamble.

This. Waiting is absolutely stupid considering we know absolutely nothing about the next gen. Everything about it is purely speculation right now.

I still laugh at the people back in 2014 and 2015 who kept saying to wait for 2016, then 2017 for the inevitable power increase and update that never really came. Instead, all they got were 5hp and a final drive change along with some bumpers lol. And while I believe the 2017+ is the better car, to think that people waited 2-3yrs thinking they would get a radical change and were left with minimal changes just shows that waiting doesn't always pay off.

There will ALWAYS be something bigger and better to come along. You can spend the rest of your life waiting only to be disappointed.

Depends on credit. Check Subaru website, then with your credit union and compare rates. I average like 24mpg, driving 99% city streets and being pretty nice, with the occasional pull from 1st to 3rd/4th gear. Comfort is ok but definitely a noticeable step down from a GTI. VW spent more of their money in the interior comfort and quality. Toyota/Subaru spent more on chassis development. Everything is a compromise.

If you lilke it, buy one now. With regards to the new model coming (IF it comes), worst case scenario is you end up liking it more than the one you just bought. I would still recommend waiting 1-2yrs at that point to let the bugs get sorted before buying a new model. Meaning if you bought a 19-20 now, and the new car came in fall of next year, the earliest you would look at trading to the updated model would be like fall/winter of 2023.

Compared to the BRZ, the GTi wins in every practical category you can name. Gas mileage, HP/torque, comfort, NVH, practicality... as it should since it was designed to be an all-rounder. However, the BRZ outshines it in the one aspect you buy the car for - driving fun. If I have the means, I would keep both as they are very different cars.

I agree to a degree. GTI's are fun cars to drive. The torque alone is what makes it fun.

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To answer OPs other questions...

Real world mileage differs by how you drive even more so that what you drive. I have a heavy foot, so I get about 24-26 mpg around town. If you are gentle like you are driving with grandma in the car, it's usually over 30.

Reliability is actually pretty good for me at least. I only have 45000 miles on my 2013 but no issues at all so far. Plenty of folks well over 100k with no issues either.

It will be less comfortable than a gti for sure and the rear seats only work if you chop off people's legs first. It would be pretty tight even then. If you are concerned about comfort, stick to the gti.

I am still loving my 2013 since day one! 80k miles and 1 valve spring recall later, I've never had to do more than scheduled maintenance. Okay, spark plugs are annoyingly short-lived... I have averaged 29.3 mpg lifetime.

The BRZ is the most fun you can have in a car. Coming from a GTI, you're going to love the handling with -~250lbs and a much lower/more balanced car. The BRZ is efficient and comfy too, and I love it for a daily. Agreed with @Joveen that you can't beat it on looks. Yes, the GTI is the most practical car ever, but fold the backseat down in the BRZ and you can get a full set of track wheels+tires in there. Did I mention having a backseat is the best?

i daily'd mine for 2 years before i had the space for a secondary vehicle that took over daily duties. the main reason i wanted something else was to preserve the car a little from getting parked out in the sun all day to bake during the summer, and also to get away from the salt/corrosion issues of the winter. i love driving it.

it's tight to get groceries in, but can be done. it's not very friendly for going out with friends in one car, but you didn't need those bums anyways. going camping for a weekend is a game of tetris. the trunk fills up faster than a 'hungry' sorority/diva girl at a barbecue. it's comfy to sleep in on long road trips, at least until people start knocking on the windows.

oh, and i average somewhere around 20-22mpg according to the readout, which considering how i drive, is an incredible achievement of modern mechanics... my last car, a 3.0 v6 eclipse averaged around 9-10mpg under similar conditions.

I had a GTI MK6 and it was fun and practical but the BRZ is a lot more fun and fairly practical too. I could easily find the suspension limits of the GTI with spirited suburban driving. But never with the BRZ

I’ve driven half a million VW miles and I got tired of the maintenance experience. The GTI had some drivetrain issues at 55,000 miles. That was the last straw after a lifetime of sensors and irritating issues.

When I had my wife’s Subaru in for its interval maintenance, the finance guy presented a nice deal on the BRZ. This was a car that often sold for $3-$5 thousand above retail in that first year.

My 2013 has been a good runner. No engine recall for it. I did get door gasketscreplaced under wArranty and I did have a catastrophic throw out bearing failure. They made a production change on that part and shouldn’t affect 2019 cars

Mileage is usually 24 suburban. But as little as 19 an as much as 34 on the freewY.

I like to get off the line quickly and goose it around turns and keep revs where the car is more responsive. Mileage isn’t the reason I bought the car .... If it was 16 city21 hiway id probably pass. That kept me out of a Legacy Spec B when I got the GTI instead.

seems a little high. my mom's surburban gets about 5mpg when i drive, and 15-18 when she does.

Financing - as Tcoat said, ask the dealer, but Subaru seems to be offering 0% of most cars right now.

Comfort - depends on your age. I find it much more comfortable than a Miata, and have taken mine on several 500+ mile drives (and I'm in my 60's). But if you want luxury/plush, this isn't it.

Gas mileage - comparable to other small 4 cylinder car, but if fuel economy is an important priority for you, you probably shouldn't be buying a BRZ/86. There are less expensive cars available that get better mileage.

As a daily driver - if your location of 'NH' means New Hampshire, think about the winters in your neck of the woods. With dedicated snow tires it would probably be OK, but not the optimal choice compared to FWD or AWD.

Whether or not to wait for the 'next gen' - as Tcoat said, don't hold your breath. You might have noticed that there's a global coronavirus pandemic going on. All economic bets are off. The next gen car might never happen. If it does, it might be substantially delayed. If it ever does come, it might not be something you like.

I was in a similar situation last year, before the pandemic - buy one of the remaining BRZs now, or wait for the next gen? For me, I liked the current car very much, and knew I would enjoy it (and am, tremendously). I didn't want to lose out on the chance to buy one of the last remaining new BRZ's, only to find out that the next gen car was delayed, or never going to happen, or was something I didn't like as much as the current car. IF the next gen car ever actually happens, if I like it so much more than my current car, I'll buy it (these are not expensive cars).

But I doubt that will happen. I'm having plenty of fun with my 2019. If you've found a new leftover 2019, it's probably one of the last new ones left (production has stopped). You can probably get a great deal on it.

So it's actually pretty simple: if you like it, go for it.

winter tires are an excellent point that must be factored in.

if you drive in/on snow at all, you need to change the tires--either for all seasons, or account for having the space for a set of dedicated winter tires.

the factory tires are summer only. i genuinely tried for the first snow fall in 2014(it was less than 0.5" snowfall that day, barely a dusting), figuring everyone else was a much more incompetent driver than me. i made it in to work by shear luck that the entire drive there was flat or downhill from my house. and then immediately got stuck in the middle of all the parking spaces where the asphalt just barely pitched together(so gradual i had never noticed it pitched until that day) for drainage to a manhole cover 100' away. the summer tire rubber hardens and becomes the equivalent of pvc pipe on top of snow. despite it looking like there's grip from the mild tread, there's just nothing-- no amount of feathering the clutch, enabling/disabling traction control, trying a different gear, or working it back and forth got me even a half inch further.. i got out while in first gear and watched the car turn the rear tires at idle for a second while i called my brother with the tow rope to get me back home until i could order some different tires. because the trip back home was more uphill, we ended up leaving the tow rope attached the entire way back. and it was good to. i would have been stuck at least 3 more times...

After owning mine for over a year now, here's a couple things you should know:

This is not a quiet, torquey, plush, soft riding car. It's completely fine as a daily, but if you value these things over what I'm gonna say below, this is probably not your car. That said, a test drive never hurt lol

The experience. That's with this car is selling you. Lightweight, rwd, manual transmission. Handling over power. You can drive the hell out of this car, and it will reward you. The engine is happiest near redline, and the chassis is very communicative at the limit. The transmission seemingly shifts smoother the harder you drive. And what's great about only having 200hp is that you can use all of it on the street without killing yourself or getting a ticket in 5 seconds.

Here's a tip if you go for a test drive: put aside the performance numbers and just see if you like the car.

Oh and I average 28mpg btw

This here is the problem - most people wanting a sporty car are actually looking for the "highest trim with the most powerful engine" car. The Twins are nothing like this. They are dedicated sports cars first and foremost.

This!

It's sure does sound odd, but I agree 100% - my best shifts are at 7000 RPM with full throttle.

So much this - more power is useless if you can't actually use it and enjoy it! Plus this car is super fun at low speeds, so you don't really need more power.

I know it's really weird. Honestly I think the trans is very underrated as far as sports cars go. Yeah it's a little clunky around town, but damn is it good when you get everything spinning.

Thanks for the replies everyone. After searching i found a semi local dealer offering a 2020 limited PP 6 speed MT for 26800, I may go check that one out. It’s silver, was hoping for WRB, but the price is good I think.

Very well said! That's the best advice ever, for any car and especially for the BRZ!

I was going to buy a last year new car in 2018 it was a 2017 gray one no pp. I got the dealer down to 23400 and went to finance it and they did not honor the 2018 promotional percentage (expected this) but they wanted to give me a 9.8% apr.. I had almost excellent credit. I think the promo was 0.9%?

I walked and went 95 miles away to get my 2018 50th anniversary pp for 27658 out the door and 2.4% apr.

I suppose ymmv with the dealer you are trying to make a deal with. I knew the first dealer was a pos for a long time.

As for the car I averaged 28/29 with bald tires and 25/26 when I got new tires. I do not try to get good mpg. I pull hard from most traffic lights and daily drive 80 miles. Of which 20 is pure mountain backroads (kept at high rpms) and 60 is a highway (a lot of hard red light pulls to just above the speed limit) and a bit of interstate. The car handles amazing on the backroads I push it harder everytime I take the hairpin. There is a transition from a patch in the road which causes a bump mid corner and the car acts like it isn't even there. You feel the bump hard (thanks pp suspension) but the tires never notice the difference.

I have driven 500 miles round trip in one day to buy a fuel tank for a na miata. It wasn't super comfortable but it is fine. I've never had real issues with trunk space I've carried gun cases and a tool bag and large socket set most of the time. It will fill up quickly but I've never had issues taking the garbage to the dump or carrying anything I needed for my construction job I had.

Not my car is not a daily driver because I have a company van for my new job so I find a reason to go for a drive instead of taking care of the things I need to do around the house. I miss driving it everyday.

Wore the stock tires to literally bald in 27k honestly they were shot around 25k never had issues with the rubber at cold temps but the coldest it gets is around 19°F once or twice a year. Not much snow here but when it did it was difficult but not impossible to get around.

I've put a catback on it and the transmission bushing. The car sounds mature not raspy or anything I found a greddy v3 for 360 bucks used.

I put some stats from fuelio. I have recorded every fillup. And yes I know the fuel pump in the car must hate me because I fill up 11.5gals most of the time. But if it dies then I get to start putting bigger fuel parts on [emoji48].

Anyway I bought the car on July 8th 2018 and have loved every day of it. Now it is a weekend warrior. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d56b1c26d3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...97acb822ff.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...dd4bbe4ae6.jpg

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Looks great �� love the snow pic!