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Greaser 08-08-2012 08:48 PM

Is it worth it?
 
Hey guys! Soo.. Im about to trade my car for a Scion FRS. The question is.. Is it worth it?
Does the FRS live up to the hype?
Is it worth the $31,000 (after taxes)?
Does it have any issues (engine/chassis/interior)
Hows the power on it?

Ill add more to the questions once i think of more

Greaser 08-08-2012 08:49 PM

Tell me the goods and the bads aswell

FRSowner 08-08-2012 08:51 PM

You found this website.


Read the threads.


Make a decision.

hav0c 08-08-2012 08:52 PM

Take it for a test drive. Test drive other cars in the same price range with the same features you are looking for. I feel my car is worth it, but some have been unhappy and went for a genesis coupe/370z/used 1 series/etc..

Research and compare. This is the best way to avoid buyer's remorse.

jarviz 08-08-2012 08:56 PM

I don't know about 31000, but it's definintely worth the 27000 i paid.. why's yours coming out to 31k? The only compareable car in that price range is the genesis coupe r spec (in my opinion).

86_ZN6 08-08-2012 08:58 PM

a very good upgrade to the civic si

jt 08-08-2012 08:58 PM

Buy a Miata.

[/trollpost]

I think its a worthy consideration.

How many STX prepped NB's can you buy for an FR-S?

dem00n 08-08-2012 09:06 PM

I don't think a Lambo will come up next to you in a Civic SI or Miata and rev their engine to you... ;)


You will lose though, i did. :bellyroll:

ABQautoxer 08-08-2012 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 367910)
Hey guys! Soo.. Im about to trade my car for a Scion FRS. The question is.. Is it worth it?
Does the FRS live up to the hype?
Is it worth the $31,000 (after taxes)?
Does it have any issues (engine/chassis/interior)
Hows the power on it?

Ill add more to the questions once i think of more

I got the BRZ but yes I think it's worth it.

Yes it lives up to the hype in handling.

After all the bad things I heard on the power and my failure to do an aggressive test drive the first time, I agreed. A second and third test drive proved to me it should be fine and now after 5 days of driving it around I definitely think the power is enough and I'm a mile above sea level.

Mine has no chassis issues but with 200 miles on it hard to say how that will go.

If power is a major focus for you, pass on this car. If you could see yourself buying an MX5 because of how it drives, then yes this will work nicely for you.

Texas BRZ 08-08-2012 09:24 PM

All I can say is that for my needs, wants, and expectations... Yes, it's worth it.

rice_classic 08-08-2012 09:54 PM

ha ha ha.

On the FT86 forums asking if it's worth it. It's like going to the drum circle and asking, "do you enjoy marijuana and the grateful dead?"

But other than that, yeah... It's totally worth it!

wallace03 08-08-2012 09:56 PM

31,000 for an almost 25k msrp fr-s? the limited brz i ordered came out to be 30.4k after TTL. do your homework before purchasing. unless youre ballin, then do what you want.

Edit: nvm i see you live in canada. iirc its more expensive there? just drive down to one of the NE states to buy it and drive it back.

FBaxteR-S 08-08-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jarviz (Post 367928)
I don't know about 31000, but it's definintely worth the 27000 i paid.. why's yours coming out to 31k? The only compareable car in that price range is the genesis coupe r spec (in my opinion).

Everyone please remember that people post on this site from all over the world. Before someone goes ape-shit over price after taxes and delivery, keep in mind that in Canada we pay significantly more tax than most (if not all?) states. In Ontario it's 13%, add on freight, etc. and we're around $31,000.

Comparing other cars from other countries after tax to our FR-S after tax is like comparing a nipple to a baby bottle. No comparison. Genesis Coupe R Spec is going to be subject to the same 13% tax and charges...

oops86 08-08-2012 10:21 PM

I crossed shop this car against the v6 Mustang, 2.0T Hyundai Genesis, Mazda Miata Sport, as well as various used cars from 80's gm bodies to SN-95 Mustangs. I feel like I made the right choice.

Greaser 08-08-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FBaxteR-S (Post 368092)
Everyone please remember that people post on this site from all over the world. Before someone goes ape-shit over price after taxes and delivery, keep in mind that in Canada we pay significantly more tax than most (if not all?) states. In Ontario it's 13%, add on freight, etc. and we're around $31,000.

Comparing other cars from other countries after tax to our FR-S after tax is like comparing a nipple to a baby bottle. No comparison. Genesis Coupe R Spec is going to be subject to the same 13% tax and charges...

Well said man. Our taxes here in vancouver is 13%. And yes to the guy up there, i did my research and test drove it aswell. Even talked to the salesman and including taxes, its sittin at abt 31g. And i went to this forum to ask the people who drive the car daily to know more abt it. I got to drive the car fr abt 30 mins and thats it. U guys drive it everyday. So i think its just right for someone who doesnt hav the car to ask people who has the car

|-Goku-| 08-08-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 368132)
Well said man. Our taxes here in vancouver is 13%. And yes to the guy up there, i did my research and test drove it aswell. Even talked to the salesman and including taxes, its sittin at abt 31g. And i went to this forum to ask the people who drive the car daily to know more abt it. I got to drive the car fr abt 30 mins and thats it. U guys drive it everyday. So i think its just right for someone who doesnt hav the car to ask people who has the car

We can praise this car all day and all night, but it really does come back to you. Did YOU enjoy driving it for the 30 minutes? What did you like about it? What didn't you like about it? The next big question that you haven't answered yet is, what kind of car are you looking for? Power? Style? Handling?

roddy 08-08-2012 10:43 PM

I'm from Ontario, and paid what you stated. Hell yeah, the car is worth it! Is it perfect? No. Does it have a lot of power? No, but it really doesn't need it. This car doesn't need a lot of power to be fun...it's like driving a big go-kart, and it never fails to put a grin on my face. I have a supercharged Mustang as well, and to be brutally honest, I don't think I've put 10 miles on it since I brought this one home.

I'm not sure what year your Si is, but I got to drive a '12 Si back to back with an FR-S on track, and the FR-S was more fun, hands down (and I really like Hondas).

yormaX 08-08-2012 10:50 PM

The Bad:
-No i-VTEC.

Pbrown 08-08-2012 11:01 PM

And i went to this forum to ask the people who drive the car daily to know more abt it. I got to drive the car fr abt 30 mins and thats it. U guys drive it everyday. So i think its just right for someone who doesnt hav the car to ask people who has the car[/QUOTE]

It rained tonight at 6 pm in Ottawa. I washed it at 6:30 Drove to the gas station for $10 worth of gas to fill it up at 7:10pm . I have 5400 km on the car and have loved every one of them. Can't wait until tomorrow. Pathetic for a 40 something isn't it.

wallace03 08-08-2012 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 368132)
Well said man. Our taxes here in vancouver is 13%. And yes to the guy up there, i did my research and test drove it aswell. Even talked to the salesman and including taxes, its sittin at abt 31g. And i went to this forum to ask the people who drive the car daily to know more abt it. I got to drive the car fr abt 30 mins and thats it. U guys drive it everyday. So i think its just right for someone who doesnt hav the car to ask people who has the car

did you not see the part that says "edit:" i immediately checked your location after i made that post, and changed it. There are lots of threads on the forum with people reviewing their cars after owning it for a while. pretty much everyone on this forum will tell you its a great car, theyre probably a member because theyre an enthusiast. however, the final decision is still yours.

Greaser 08-08-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddy (Post 368164)
I'm from Ontario, and paid what you stated. Hell yeah, the car is worth it! Is it perfect? No. Does it have a lot of power? No, but it really doesn't need it. This car doesn't need a lot of power to be fun...it's like driving a big go-kart, and it never fails to put a grin on my face. I have a supercharged Mustang as well, and to be brutally honest, I don't think I've put 10 miles on it since I brought this one home.

I'm not sure what year your Si is, but I got to drive a '12 Si back to back with an FR-S on track, and the FR-S was more fun, hands down (and I really like Hondas).

My Si is an 06 with modded suspensions. It drives pretty good and i compared it to the frs. And the frs drives better STOCK! I like the handling. I know it doesnt hav much power but neither does the Si and yet i still love it. I like fast cars but buying a fast car out of a dealership lot kinda contradicts with the fact that im a car enthusiast and i wanna build a car from stock.
And also im asking the forum cuz im 90% into buying frs. And im just looking for the goods and bads that i was not able to see in the 30 min window of fun Scion has given me.

pinoyplaya 08-08-2012 11:17 PM

My car has gotten so much attention and I've only had it for 3 nights and 2 days.

Definitely well worth it. Though, I'd get a BRZ and not an FRS for 31k. I dont know why the FRS is that high.

Go with the BRZ, get the luxurious feel for the same or less price.

whataboutbob 08-08-2012 11:22 PM

I love my car and have no regrets. As others have said though, it's your decision. If you decide to go for it, welcome to the club. :thumbsup:

mashal 08-08-2012 11:23 PM

You will pay 31 and change , and it's worth every damn penny.
You will love the car coz its a chick magnet and hate it coz it's a sausage magnet as well .

These guys followed me to my work my work the other day I thought I was going to get the crap beat out me , turns out they just wanted to take picture .

Greaser 08-08-2012 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinoyplaya (Post 368234)
My car has gotten so much attention and I've only had it for 3 nights and 2 days.

Definitely well worth it. Though, I'd get a BRZ and not an FRS for 31k. I dont know why the FRS is that high.

Go with the BRZ, get the luxurious feel for the same or less price.

The brz starts at i think 30g here man :(...

MY13FRS 08-08-2012 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 367910)
Hey guys! Soo.. Im about to trade my car for a Scion FRS. The question is.. Is it worth it?
Does the FRS live up to the hype?
Is it worth the $31,000 (after taxes)?
Does it have any issues (engine/chassis/interior)
Hows the power on it?

Ill add more to the questions once i think of more


For 31K CAD, yes it is worth it. I benchmark it against my old S2000 and I can tell you $31k CAD for this car is worth it. It has enough power for fun, seems OK quality, no major issues for me so far. It's a budget sporty car with cheap material that can beat Hondahs and Corrollas.

What car are you making a comparison against? $31k CAD mean different things to different people. If you're in Alberta and make $100k/yr, then 31k is a steal.

And don't mind our Yankee friends, they don't realize we Canuck ballers likes to pay more for our cars, gasoline and fast foods.

:happy0180:

rikdrt1 08-09-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 368232)
My Si is an 06 with modded suspensions. It drives pretty good and i compared it to the frs. And the frs drives better STOCK! I like the handling. I know it doesnt hav much power but neither does the Si and yet i still love it. I like fast cars but buying a fast car out of a dealership lot kinda contradicts with the fact that im a car enthusiast and i wanna build a car from stock.
And also im asking the forum cuz im 90% into buying frs. And im just looking for the goods and bads that i was not able to see in the 30 min window of fun Scion has given me.


pretty sure stock FRS handles way better than any Si and ill say no matter how much you throw away on Honda mods.... definitely FRS is more fun hands down too

Snozzberries 08-09-2012 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 367910)
Is it worth the $31,000 (after taxes)?

WHAT!?!??!?!?!?!

* Oh did not see this was CAD, muh bad :)

leonwood 08-09-2012 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 367910)
Hey guys! Soo.. Im about to trade my car for a Scion FRS. The question is.. Is it worth it?
Does the FRS live up to the hype?
Is it worth the $31,000 (after taxes)?
Does it have any issues (engine/chassis/interior)
Hows the power on it?

Ill add more to the questions once i think of more

I had 2008 civic si coupe with me for 4 years. After switching to frs, i start to miss the exhaust note of the si 's. Compare stock to stock, frs's exhaust is just too quiet. Also I'd say those 8000rpm ivtec sound and rush will be miss! Steering wheel volume control, armrest will be missed. Frs still a great car compare to si. Think of it's getting more attention when driving out down the street, as of for now...:)

Greaser 08-09-2012 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leonwood (Post 368507)
I had 2008 civic si coupe with me for 4 years. After switching to frs, i start to miss the exhaust note of the si 's. Compare stock to stock, frs's exhaust is just too quiet. Also I'd say those 8000rpm ivtec sound and rush will be miss! Steering wheel volume control, armrest will be missed. Frs still a great car compare to si. Think of it's getting more attention when driving out down the street, as of for now...:)

Yeah id definitely miss the exhaust sound. That thing sounds beautiful. And im not worrying about the steerig wheel volume control. Mine doesnt work cuz i have a dvd player and i dont hav the steerig wheel module. Does frs have cruise control?

FRSjeff 08-09-2012 03:07 AM

After reading this forum every day the past month I was becoming a little hesitant about going through with buying it. Well, I did buy it--- yesterday.

This car totally exceeds my expectations. It is a dream car - plain and simple! I LOVE my new red stick frs! (and I think it loves me ;) )

leonwood 08-09-2012 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greaser (Post 368555)
Yeah id definitely miss the exhaust sound. That thing sounds beautiful. And im not worrying about the steerig wheel volume control. Mine doesnt work cuz i have a dvd player and i dont hav the steerig wheel module. Does frs have cruise control?

Yeah it has cruise control locate at 4 o'clock position, it seems kind of getting on the way when turning the steering wheel compare to si 's

leonwood 08-09-2012 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MY13FRS (Post 368284)
For 31K CAD, yes it is worth it. I benchmark it against my old S2000 and I can tell you $31k CAD for this car is worth it. It has enough power for fun, seems OK quality, no major issues for me so far. It's a budget sporty car with cheap material that can beat Hondahs and Corrollas.

What car are you making a comparison against? $31k CAD mean different things to different people. If you're in Alberta and make $100k/yr, then 31k is a steal.

And don't mind our Yankee friends, they don't realize we Canuck ballers likes to pay more for our cars, gasoline and fast foods.

:happy0180:

I always rank s2000 higher up since I've never own one. Other than the high price, it revs higher, more horsepower & material wise it seems just better than frs...

But frs is just a budget car that with the body that looks so, exotic for now...... since it still new

roddy 08-09-2012 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinoyplaya (Post 368234)
My car has gotten so much attention and I've only had it for 3 nights and 2 days.

Definitely well worth it. Though, I'd get a BRZ and not an FRS for 31k. I dont know why the FRS is that high.

Go with the BRZ, get the luxurious feel for the same or less price.

That $31G is all in, and out the door price. $25,990 is the price before tax, freight, etc. The base BRZ would be 2-3Gs more than that.

Greaser, there really aren't many negatives. Some people have had some issues, but it is a first year car, and most of them are pretty minor. It looks like Scion is working with customers on most of them. Check the technical topics section under Issues/warranty/recalls&TSB for any bad stuff.

Greaser 08-09-2012 11:23 AM

Any cabin issues? Road noise? Room for passengers in the front/back? Driver leg room? Ride comfort?

MY13FRS 08-09-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leonwood (Post 368658)
I always rank s2000 higher up since I've never own one. Other than the high price, it revs higher, more horsepower & material wise it seems just better than frs...

But frs is just a budget car that with the body that looks so, exotic for now...... since it still new


Yes, the FRS is a cheaper version of the S2000...in fact, the little sister I like to call it. In fact, i am 99% sure Scion/Subaru used the S2000 for a mentor. The FRS sure drives and feels like my S2000 from all standpoints....

And just for our US friends, some of us actually paid $55K CAD (and more) for a S2000 in 1999. :party0030:

Leonardo 08-09-2012 02:46 PM

I love my FR-S. But miss the the power that my GS400 had. I also miss the sound my ap1 s2000 made at 9000rpm. But I am getting 34.5mpg avg and it is dead sexy!

rice_classic 08-09-2012 02:47 PM

WA State must get their cues from their Canadian neighbors. Our sales tax is 10% and this applies to cars. I paid $2400 in tax on my FRS.

CheesusCrust 08-09-2012 02:50 PM

Can you come to America and buy it? Also, only 3% tax here in VA lol

MY13FRS 08-09-2012 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheesusCrust (Post 369571)
Can you come to America and buy it? Also, only 3% tax here in VA lol


Not worth the hassle as after the exchange rate and taxes we need to pay on the way back, wouldnt make the purchase a good deal. UNLESS....the car is a high end car, say 911TT...80kUSD vs 120KCAD. (note I dont actually know the exact price of that car, just posting to make a point)


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