TorqAmp 2017 Toyota 86 install
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ANYEgolsU&t=83s

Hey FT86!!

I am starting a new project to install a Torqamp on my 2017 Toyota 86 auto.

It has catless headers, catless downpipe, and Invidia Q600.

I have two vids out so far, as it will take a long time to get the Torqamp. I am also going to be installing it with Torqamps control box to have better control over it.

Have a look!

Very cool. Looking forward to it. You plan to provide pump and e85 Dyno numbers

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Thanks!

I am haivng it tuned on the dyno so I will be providing numbers for sure.

First tune is going to be on 93, but after that I plan to also tune with E85.

Email today from Toramp: :)
 

"Dear Michael,

With this email, we want to inform you about the progress of our production and delivery time of your order.

Unfortunately Corona is causing more unexpected delays then initially predicted by us. There are two main reasons for delays: 1. production delays, 2 non available flights for shipping the parts to us. Basically all shippers are delaying because of the limited amount of flights currently.

Some parts are ready to be sent to us. Some still need to be produced since our production partners are waiting for components.

To give you an impression, I included the status of some items.

Bypass tubes: awaiting shipment towards us,
Bypass internals: inhouse,
Powerbox batteries: inhouse,
Powerbox chargers: to be produced,
Powerbox enclosures: expected to be delivered week 22,
Cable sets: awaiting shipment towards us,
Compressor housings and wheels: awaiting shipment towards us,
Electric motors: ready for assembly,
Motorcontrollers: awaiting shipment towards us,
Control boxes: inhouse.
Obviously there are many more parts, but this is just to give you an idea.

We expect to receive everything by the end of may/beginning june. Then we can start our assembly and our test procedures. So we expect we can ship out at the end of june or in July.

We know this is taking long. But unfortunately we have many components which are produced all over the world. This makes it even more influenceable by Corona.

We want to emphasize that we are doing all we can to get your order ready.

In the previous update we indicated that everyone will receive a more compact powerbox. To show what you can expect, I attached a picture of the enclosure to this email.

If you have any questions, remarks, advice or want to discuss in more detail the progress of our production, please do not hesitate to call me or send me an email.

Thank you and with best regards,

While you have time, I would cancel that order and buy a proper supercharger. Edelbrock or Jackson Racing are my suggestions. Jackson Racing kit keeps the modifications as minimal as the Torqamp, gives more power, and as efficient as the stock engine (same mpg for normal driving, if you can drive normally after that :)), and comes with a great tune.

Well said. You would cancel the order. Other ppl have other goals. Jsckson racing does not keep modifications to a minimum. It would take a little more than half hour to go back to n/a from this. Nevrmind the stack of heat exchangers causing all kinds of issues. Other ppl having issues with the rotrex unit. To the OP, I am rooting for you. This is something I want to do. To bad for the delay

Thanks for the suggestion! I am going to keep with the Torqamp, it fits me a little better, and I am excited to be able to be the (documented) person to install it on this platform.

I considered the Torqamp but went for the Phantom ESC instead (for now). One thing that worried me was how to fit the control box (battery) and a 12V start battery at the same time.

Now you say the control box has been shrunken some. Do you think you can fit an Odyssey PC680 beside it in the engine compartment?

Good luck to you. I am sure many others will be looking forward to your posts/videos.

Great someone's doing it.
I'm quite interested in this.
What about Software? Ecutek, OFT?

u sure?
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...postcount=5474

For me these electric superchargers hit the sweet spot. What I mean by that if you look at the Dyno runs from jrsc, vortech, and Edelbrock. On the low boost pulley's, 7-9psi on 91 oct they all roughly make around 250whp/180wtq. If you go e85 you get around the 285whp/235wtq at that point your just around the threshold of the stock block. When you upgrade to the higher boost pulley's well then you really need to consider upgrading internals which means more $$$$. The benefit of these systems is that on e85 you'll get a bit more power than the low boost pulley's these conventional superchargers make and you won't quite make enough power to have the need to purchase supporting mods. This puts it right in the middle in my opinion. Now if the torqamp is any better than the phantom. Well Fenton was able to get 245whp/215wtq on his system. Given that the torqamp runs on lithium rather than the AGM batteries the phantom uses and it pushes it more psi. You can only assume the torque curve with be much higher and the hp will increase slightly higher as we'll

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You found the information I tried to hide so carefully. Have fun guys!

mrjj Torqamp did not provide the actual size of the new box, but as soon as it arrives I will measure it and let you know!

I might be wrong but I think torqamp designed the power box to sit in the trunk

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Honestly, I’m intrigued. In for back to back dynos on 93 octane.

We appreciate the effort you are putting into installing, testing and documenting your setup. We can all understand that COVID-19 has affected lots of different aspects of our lives, and your project might be taking a hit on the overall priorities list. Hopefully, it will take off eventually, and those of us that have subscribed will get our share.

Any updates on this?

Yea dude, we’re amped for updates!

Agree this is gonna be one cool setup.

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COVID sucks! I'll give thread another bump just in case.

Update to Torqamp shipping:
 

Hey all, got this yesterday from Torqamp:

Hi Michael, we expect the final parts will arrive next week. Off course depending on customs etc.

Then we can finalize the TorqAmp kits and start the testing, run in procedure and shipping

So hopefully this will go fast and without any unexpected problems. Then it could be shipped in the order of some weeks

Damn
It's almost like Rob moved to Netherlands and is now managing Torqamp. Back in the day it took awhile to get your Phantom ESC but it wasn't this long. I hope the wait is worthwhile.

By the way, the wait to get the Phantom was completely worthwhile. Mines been runnnig great for about 6 years now and I wouldn't want to drive the car without it.

This is good news I got my bypass valve from torqamp about two weeks ago and I got to say by the look and feel of the bypass valve itself. They really are making sure everything is of good quality I was really impressed in the just that part alone. So given that I'm sure everything is gonna look professional. Good luck man [emoji106]

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Imagine if Rob had collaborated with the guys from torqamp. The torqamp is loosly based of the phantom they even have a phantom themselves and did alot of testing and comparison between both units.

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Looking forward to see how this goes!

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Has there been any progress? Are you still waiting on parts?

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subbed... good luck with the build!

are there any mass airflow figures / compressor maps for the Torqueamp?

can't see any on their site
looks like it may run out of flow about the 250g/sec mark looking at the other engines that are tested

you should email the company jelke is pretty good at replying. I've had full conversation with him back and forth on my build. And he is very insightful and willing to help.

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Hey man, what ever happened with your TorqAmp install? It's been like 6 months since the last replay and nearly a year since your original post. I was considering buying one for my Kia Optima and am really curious how it's working for you.

Any updates?

Just any FYI:

https://torqamp.com

Anybody interested can check that website. You are trying to encourage others on something you are not sure for yourself. When I recommend to go get a real supercharger, there is immediate reaction from so-called enthusiasts who wants others to try first. Isn't there a leader who can lead the way and show others how it works? Or you guys will keep hiding behind each other and pushing them forward?

There is already an electric supercharger, phantom supercharger. The data and results are posted all over. It definitely works but don’t expect Full blown FI power. You’ll get FI low/mid range torque but slightly above NA top end.

Now from what i can gather torquAmp should make about .5-1psi more across the entire powerband vs the phantom supercharger, exact same powerband torque curve only slightly better. The other difference it looks to come with everything needed as a full self contained unit, phantom needed 2 extra (3 total) batteries to be used. Overall the torque amp Is basically the final fully polished version of what phantom should have become.

The idea and concept has already been proven with phantom. Look up those results add about 3% across the powerband, look at the price of the torque amp and what’s involved in installl (looks much simpler than any real FI setup) and decide if it’s worth it.

No need to wait on anyone else to do first it’s not really groundbreaking. If you’re interested just do it.

At almost $3,000 it's just too expensive IMO.
I got my Phantom ESC back in the day for I think it was $1200 which I think is well worth it. But more than twice the price for much less than twice the performance to me just isn't worth it.
I'd get a conventional supercharger instead.
But I would definitely get some sort of FI.

You can buy anything at any price used.

Wasn’t phantom v3 like $2,500 new and then you needed dump batteries so it ended up being $2800+ ?

And now i see tons of the phantoms popping up with failures and issues but the guy who made them is MIA so they’re all paper weights now?

$3,000 for the performance it has compared to a traditional FI kit from a power to price stand point might seem a little steep although not outlandish.

But once you factor in all the supporting mods needed with a traditional FI kit the power to price ratio isn’t really far off.

The torque amp could be installed on an otherwise stock vehicle or added on to a FBO + E85 setup with no other supporting mods like catch cans, oil coolers etc.. needed.

I think it’s a reasonably priced product that fills a gap between NA and full FI. It’s easy to install and quick to remove in a pinch.

For a standalone FI application, I think the Control Box is a must. The on/off switch can be cheap but getting a sudden full boost after a threshold does not sound like a good driving experience. I would prefer the boost to be proportional to throttle level for a consistent driving experience. I also don't know how long the power box can sustain the full boost. It wouldn't be fun to wait for the next boost available after each charge. Though, I would think the battery charge will be a problem if the compressor runs continuously proportional to throttle level. And, when charge is not available for boost or compressor is waiting for switch to turn on, there should be a bypass valve so that natural air flow is not restricted by the dysfunctional compressor. If the price comes closer to $4000 with tuning and cost of Control Box, Edelbrock or Jackson Racing packages are definitely better deals. This is more suitable for working as a supplement in sync with turbo to eliminate the boost lag instead of a stand-alone FI solution.

The complete kit + control box is $3,000. The bypass is another $200 not really needed though it’s more for twin charging or larger engines. On the FA20 its not a restriction at WOT even at redline. It could be useful in off boost scenarios but with the control box it would be a non issue I think, similar to what phantom did to combat this.

Charge capacity and recharge rate I can’t find much info on that would be my main concern. The phantoms seemed to make peak numbers for about 25-30sec and IIRC recharged at a 2:1 rate so 30sec use 60sec recharge. Not a good option for the track, but autox, DD, back roads should be good. Assuming the torqueamp has similar charge capacity and recharge rate. Could reach out to them and find out for sure.

With a tune yeah about $4,000. The phantoms and this kit actually make more low/mid/peak torque than the JRSC with normal pulley obviously JRSC makes way more top end, and has pulley options / larger SC unit option. But add in tuning to that, and then if you read the 137 different recommended FI supporting mod threads your looking at closer to $7,000 for a decent supercharger setup.

Then add in install time/difficulty the torque amp may be a lot easier for a beginner DIYer vs paying $1,000 for supercharger install (non factor for some but big factor for plenty). so it could quickly become a $4000 vs $8000 comparison.
And then ease and time to remove kit if you wanted to go back to stock for warranty work or part out later. If you paid $1k for install probably $1k for uninstall too.

There’s also a lot of people who are too scared and don’t want to take on the risk of a real FI setup so they stay NA, but maybe would be willing to take on the risk of this kit if they just wanted another 5-10% top end and some mid range. Seems a little pointless to do real FI for only 220whp. This could be a good cheaper alternative for hitting that goal. I believe you can turn the boost down with torqueamps controller so you could turn down mid range a little if that torque hit down low was too risky/scary for you and just do like 3psi peak tapering off to 2psi at redline. Would save the battery charge too and still add a good 10% across the entire powerband. Remember this kit generates no parasitic loss and no real heat so each psi adds a lot of power, and no lag from intercooler piping etc.

When really broken down, doing as fair of comparison as possible I think it can make sense for a lot of people. Mainly those only wanting another 10% ontop of a FBO NA setup.

I agree that everyone's interests can be different and there seems to be some appeal for some drivers.

A couple things I need to add though. My modding experience was not such a challenging one.
- I installed the JRSC myself in one day and it wasn't hard at all. Nothing drilled or cut, I can just go back to stock with a single day's work. (I might have lost some parts since never thought about going back to stock)
- The parasitic power draw of the compressor is only significant at high rpm. Normal driving at low rpm does not even change the mpg.
- I have only added an oil cooler (JR dual radiator) for supporting mod. I have installed that myself too without any cutting/drilling. So cost wasn't high.
- Finally, it has been 40K miles, 4 years now. The only problem was valve springs replacement which is a common problem regardless FI.