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Somebody is bitter...
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Yep, jack has just resorted to trolling because he didnt get picked for the first86 contest. And then furthermore, Toyota refused him a car. Im pretty sure Jack is a 20-something go-nowhere-in-life blogger with little in the way of social life anyways. That blog post of his made me honestly laugh out loud.
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Some of his metaphors had me laughing. :clap:
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"I can buy an STi for similar money, crank the boost, and humiliate the FR-S"
ahh.. really? because last time I checked, the STi was a lot more money. |
2007 STi's here are selling for the same as a new FR-S is. I'll take the new car with 0 miles.
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Ohhh I get it now, he's a comic, not a journalist of any sorts. :clap: |
As a recent college-grad living with his parents and leasing an FR-S while paying student loans, I take offense to this review >_>
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Does he post on here at all. I've got a question or two for him.
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I want to see what he said but I don't want to give his website any traffic if it's as bad as you guys are saying
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I too wish it was 100% Toyota and wished Subaru had nothing to do with it. |
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The guy says too many negative things about the car and the people he perceives to be driving them for me to consider this an impartial review. Clearly he has a bug up his ass, and the previous posters have provided a plausible explanation. He doesn't HAVE to like the car, but at least provide an impartial review.
Oh well, I'd say the overwhelming majority of reviewers loved it so I guess I won't second guess my preferences. |
He just needs to get laid. Wait a minute, my FR-S has totally helped me with that! He should buy the FR-S, then get laid and then write a beautiful review on how the car got him some poon poon. :lol:
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The guy even posted a video, he's wearing a 70's porn jacket, and was complaining about how hard it was to drift the car??? REALLY did the idiot even turn track off?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=CVmpoT6RbHk guys off his rocker. He's 10 times more bitter than the article. |
Genesis Coupe R-Spec is $27,375.
They say it's $25,149. They also say FR-S costs more than $25,149. FR-S costs $24,930. |
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In the states the pricing is much closer, which is why all those cars that we go 'huh? that thing costs xxxx amount more than FRS/BRZ" is in the comparison. |
He's not a journalist. He's an asshat with a keyboard. $20 says he's still a virgin too.
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Probably one of the only negative reviews I've read. Screw em!
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Im still looking for an Sti that costs less than an Fr-s. Last time I checked they start at 10k more.
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I think I will trust Randy Pobst a little more than this guy. Him and many other real automotive journalists have said the Gen Coupe, even with the Brembos, has braking issues and the gear shifter basically sucks.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...or_comparison/ It's unfair to compare used cars to new cars. Of course a 5 year old EVO or STI would kill the FRS and could be had for the same money. But you get 0 warranty and it will have quite a few miles. |
If you don't want the douchebag "writer' to get anymore traffic, here's the article...
Boomerang Basement Bolides — Third Place: Scion FR-S By Jack Baruth on August 7, 2012 “This car,” Derek Kreindler told me as we grabbed third gear down Toronto Motorsports Park’s front straight, “is like a GT-R for a guy who lives in his mother’s basement.” He had a point. Some American subcultures practice what I think of as immobile ambition — think of all those McMansions with no furniture and a double-income couple anxiously hoping someone will stop by and be impressed by the bridal staircase and crown moldings. Other subcultures are all about getting out in the street and showing off your clothes, your ride, or your woman. The men of Generation Y aren’t marrying hopeful little starter wives, buying hopeful starter homes, and having hopeful little parties the way their parents and grandparents did in their twenties. Instead, they’ve boomeranged back to the stucco-fronted McMansions of their teenaged years so they may contemplate their student-debt-to-likely-career-prospects ratio at their leisure. Their culture is a mobile one. It’s about getting out of the house, which doesn’t belong to them. What better way to do it than with a $25,000 sports car, paid for with Mommy’s mad money or an afternoon shift at the Barnes & Noble record counter, mostly spent furtively spinning a Ra Ra Riot disk instead of the recommended Diana Krall Christmas album and checking Facebook on one’s iPhone? And after twenty-five years of receiving awards for participation and surfing along on a wave of grade inflation, Gen Y has enough self-esteem to view a full-priced sporting car with a healthy dose of ironic contempt. A Corvette is “trying too hard”, and trying too hard is something one simply never does, you see. That’s the rather labored social context of the FR-S: all the mad tyte JDM dopeness one can finance for $425 a month. It’s a perfect fit. The problem comes when one views the FR-S in a different context: that of its readily available competition. In the end, it’s the pricing context that will determine the fate of the little Toyobaru. At $17,500, the FR-S would have been the hottest new car in years. At $33,000, it would fall into the kind of deep dealership sinkholes that used to capture cars like the normally-aspirated 300ZX and Supra. We chose to compare the FR-S with two cars which have found a happy home around the $24,955 “Scion Pure Price” which your despicable local Toyota dealer will no doubt envision as the top line of a long dealer-added-equipment list: the Hyundai Genesis 2.0T R-Spec ($26,500) and the Mazda MX-5 PRHT ($27,540). The venue, as previously noted, was Toronto Motorsports Park. We shared cars and facilities with our sister publication AutoGuide for the test. Using a “DriftBox”, AutoGuide’s time-trial driver Dave Pratte entered what he calls “attack mode”, recording a lap time of 1:26.2 for the FR-S and a 1:25.0 for the Genesis 2.0t R-Spec. These times were so outrageously good — up to seven seconds better than what other publications had recorded under similar conditions — we didn’t bother to try to beat them. Instead, I called on my friend, TrackDAZE senior instructor and Camaro-Mustang-Challenge champion Colin Jevens, to help me put the Scion, Mazda, and Hyundai into their proper places. We put dozens of laps on the cars, compared notes, and discussed various arcane aspects of suspension tuning until everybody around us was wayyyy past ready to pack up and go home. If you’re able to read a headline, you can see the results of those discussions: the Scion finished what Motor Trend would probably call “second runner-up” but what TTAC calls DFL. Why? First things first: your humble author kind of loves the FR-S. I tried to buy one, even. I like the way it looks, inside and out. I like the proportions, the size, the interior. I like the sound of the boxer four. I even like the Scion brand and philosophy, enough so that I would pick an FR-S over a BRZ even though from my perspective the price difference between the two is nonexistent and the BRZ has more stuffs. I have personal reasons to want an FR-S as well. Nearly thirty years ago, my father borrowed his girlfriend’s “sports car” so I could check it out. It looked exactly like this: That’s right: a black 1984 post-bowtie Celica GT-S. Black velour bucket seats. Graphic equalizer. Fender flares. Five-speed manual transmission. Hidden headlights. I wasn’t a stupid twelve-year-old; I’d already driven a few cars myself thanks to my mother’s easily-charmed female friends and I knew the Celica was slow even by the standards of the era. But it looked sooooo cool. The interior was a dark, private cave that could easily contain not one, but three yoga instructors. It may have been all show and no go, but the show was pretty good. I couldn’t even bring myself to tell the old man it was a sled. To this day, I’m reasonably sure he thinks it was a Supra. The FR-S is totes the Celica GT-S coupe for the modern era. It’s stylish, it has a completely blacked-out cave of an interior which calls to the basement-dwelling teenager in all of us, and it is likely to be popular with the ladies due to its Scion badge and lack of spine-crushing acceleration. If you want to buy one just because it’s an FR-S, you have my blessing. The problem comes when you make two comparisons. The first one, ironically enough, is to that ’84 Celica. That Celica had the famous 22R-E Toyota engine. Keep it maintained and throw a chain in it from time to time, and that Celica will last forever. The FR-S, by contrast, has a Subaru engine. I don’t want a Subaru engine in my FR-S. To some extent, that’s like putting a Northstar in a Lexus: hey, it’s boring, but now it will blow up and die! I don’t want to become an expert at swapping head gaskets. I don’t want to do all my maintenance from underneath the car. I want the engine from the dearly-departed last-gen Celica GT-S. Or the turbo engine from the All-Trac before that. In fact, I’d just rather have a JDM last-gen All-Trac, or the CALTY-designed bar-of-soap All-Trac which preceded it. Hell, give me a first-gen All-Trac. Know how much power the ’89 All-Trac had? As much as the FR-S. Where’s the progress? I want a Toyota engine in my Toyota. I want the car to last forever, with no hassle. It’s part of the promise of buying a Toyota. The FR-S, by those standards, breaks the promise. If I am willing to do my own head gaskets, I can buy an STi for similar money, crank the boost, and humiliate the FR-S both down the freeway and on the racetrack. Our second comparison happens on the racetrack, as fate would have it, and that’s where the FR-S should shine. It’s a great steer, in the literal sense. It’s nice to steer around. It’s about as “neutral” as a street car gets and it does whatever you ask of it. As long, of course, as what you ask doesn’t include going quickly. The Genesis simply eviscerates it. Dave Pratte’s super-quick lap times don’t adequately demonstrate the difference between the two cars. The Genesis is much faster down the straights and in the turns the actual corner speed is pretty much the same. An FR-S with a Genesis-matching two-liter turbo engine — which is to say, an FR-S that Toyota could easily build in their sleep, from the parts bin, and eliminating Subaru from the equation to boot — would be preferable to a Genesis on-track. That would be the car to have. Get the drivetrain out of the last All-Trac, crank the boost a bit, forget the crap about the center of gravity, and let’s have a great car, okay? As delivered, the FR-S is not quite a great car, and the boxer is to blame. Half of the time, it can’t even get the “Toyobaru” up to track speeds where the infamous all-season tires would feel loose. It doesn’t give any sense that it’s making the rated two hundred horsepower. It’s a bunch of sound and fury signifying that you’re about get passed by a Hyundai which costs less. Ten laps in the Hyundai will absolutely spoil your FR-S enjoyment, because the Hyundai simply motors away everywhere there’s a chance to do so, and it can play the ’84 Celica Game too: it’s also a deep, dark Oriental cave of a closed coupe and it also looks sporting from a distance. Why buy the FR-S when the Genesis is available? Because it’s a Toyota and therefore reliable? Well, it’s a Toyota with a Subaru engine. At this point, if you’re part of the FT-86 owners club/clique/Facebook page, you’ve no doubt constructed an elaborate mental response about how the FR-S is lighter, and more nimble, and a far better driver’s car than the Genesis, and how a true driver, a guy who knows anything about cars, would, like really see that. A real driver would prefer the filet mignon of midcorner adjustability to the high-fructose syrup of an overboosted turbo. Guess what? A real driver prefers the Mazda Miata. Compared to the Miata, the FR-S feels a thousand feet wide and two tons heavy. The visibility is dismal. The engine feels no stronger than the little four in the Mazda and it doesn’t respond as readily to small changes of throttle position. The steering, sublime when sampled individually, seems to be a little short of the Miata’s. All of a sudden, you realize that the FR-S isn’t the “Miata coupe” that some Internet player-haters called it when the specs came out. It isn’t that good. A true Miata coupe would run rings around the FR-S. A true Miata coupe would make the FR-S obsolete overnight. It’s within Mazda’s power to render the FR-S as irrelevant as Rick Springfield’s entire career. Even against the hardtop Miata however, the FR-S is still second best, and in my opinion (although not the opinion of Colin Jevens, who believed it to be slightly more fun overall than the R-Spec) it can’t match the Genesis either. It’s too slow to beat the Hyundai and too limp to match the Miata. The English phrase “falls between two stools” applies here, but where the Scion really falls, in the end, is in last place. Yes, you can mod the hell out of it and have a great time, but as we will show you in a special “Zeroth Place” supplement at the end of this series, there are better choices for that, too. It’s back to the basement for the Future Toyota – Eighty-Six. |
Hmm who do I trust, the guy in the sparkly jacket or......
Jeremy Clarkson comments on the Toyota GT86: ‘I’m sorry, Ford, Vauxhall and Suzuki, but the Toyota is just better at corners than all of you… It’s a real-world hero.’ ‘…hand on heart, this was one of my favourite cars. It’s not slow – it really isn’t – it’s just that you have to work to get performance from it, but is that a problem? It sounds sweet, is smooth and has the best throttle response of anything here, 911 included. ‘This is hysterical. It’s so much more powerful than you’d think. At £25,000 it’s extremely good value for money.’ ‘The Toyota is dainty and maximises the benefits of its layout and low centre of gravity. It’s a car that asks why you need to go round a corner at a zillion miles an hour. You don’t. Even pottering around, it’s different and interesting. ‘Acceleration is fun, but the noise is as important as the kick in the back, and I’d rather spend 30 seconds wringing the GT86 up to speed than three seconds being pummelled by the McLaren. ‘Our seven testers had the McLaren, 911 and Exige in a photo finish for second place, with the GT86 out in front. The Toyota isn’t big, it isn’t especially clever, but it’s fun. ‘The Toyota was the car everyone kept jumping into for “one last quick go”, and the one they got out of with the daftest smiles on their faces.’ |
Hah, at least it was entertaining because I didn't learn anything new. I've seen these same arguments played out a dozen times on here and I still think they're missing the point. Not every Toyota sports car has to be one of God's chariots.
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What he seems to have failed to realize from his own Celica comparison is that Toyota wanted it to be like the Celica in that it looks fast but isn't very fast for the day. Success!? :bonk: |
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I read that in his voice. JC forever. |
Lol, me too ^^
If he was a true journalist none of that crap in the first part of the article would have been in it. Also, any reference to himself either in the here and now or in the past should have been omitted. Just because someone gives you a check to write an article doesn't mean that you are a journalist. Especially since he is violating rule #1 of being a journalist. |
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Did that sob just insult Rick Springfield?!?!? That's going too far!!!
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Jack is a strange bird. He used to be a car forum junkie and then got a job as a car reviewer. He's a good driver though, and his comments make some sense. He was in the CTS-V challenge a few years ago which was pretty interesting.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...s-v-challenge/ But at some point you're always splitting hairs. If a Miata is 100%, a FR-S is 95% and a Corolla is 10%, and I can't live with a 2 seater convertible, does that make the FR-S a horrible choice? No. Also, I didn't see 1 mention of the GC's numb steering/shifting which is pretty much universally acknowledged. One of his other "against the grain" articles talked about how great a Jetta GLI (FWD, no lsd) was as a pure normal person drivers car vs a track star. Again, good points. :burnrubber: |
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I know it's not a big deal but @30 years old I don't know if I'm "Gen X" or "Gen Y"!!! Those labels really p!$$ me off. I feel like I'm in generational limbo. Wikipedia doesn't help either.
On topic, TTAC has always been this way. It is his opinion and I see nothing wrong with it. "Truth about cars" name is ironic if you guys haven't figured it out. Second to last, the term journalist doesn't really exist as you all know it. It's not you either are or you aren't, its how colored the news is by opinion. It just happens to be colored a lot in this piece. Lastly, he said he "kinda loves" the FR-S. I think the author really built up this car in his head and in the end, it didn't meet his expectations. |
This was a pretty entertaining read.:clap:
However there is something intangible about the FR-S. If I wanted a Miata or Genesis I would have bought one. |
Guys, he is just another bogger, no need in getting worked up over his oppinions. If Jeremy Clarkson likes it, then nothing a blogger says matters.
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-hold a job -don't live with your parents -step away from facebook for weeks at a time -light a fire without accelorant -hold a face to face conversation with a stranger -survive a few days without a phone then you can join me in claiming Gen X. |
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Bitter schmitter.
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Bugs Bunny read that article:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo"]What A Maroon! - YouTube[/ame] |
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