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Payload 01-25-2020 02:31 AM

Scion gt86 owners 2013-2019
 
Has anyone yet began to unlock the stock potential of there gt86 vehicles ecu with an "Openflash Tablet" provided by RomRaider written software updates, or Ecu-Tek hardware..??? Please note that this doesn't apply to owners of force induction FA20 engines, explicitly meaning without the use of a turbo-charger or super-charger bolt-on to the FA20 engine block...

bfrank1972 01-25-2020 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293466)
Has anyone yet began to unlock the stock potential of there gt86 vehicles ecu with an "Openflash Tablet" provided by RomRaider written software updates, or Ecu-Tek hardware..??? Please note that this doesn't apply to owners of force induction FA20 engines, explicitly meaning without the use of a turbo-charger or super-charger bolt-on to the FA20 engine block...

Yes

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Payload 01-25-2020 02:20 PM

Cool, so have you approximated and determined your performance results. If you don't mind me asking what are your guesstimated power and torque out-put ratings from the fly wheel..😀

I have an idea of where my performance ratings stand ;even though I haven't dyno tested the car.. I'll share my values and tell you how I arrived at my guesstimated numbers..

KR-S 01-25-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293536)
Cool, so have you approximated and determined your performance results. If you don't mind me asking what are your guesstimated power and torque out-put ratings from the fly wheel..😀

I have an idea of where my performance ratings stand ;even though I haven't dyno tested the car.. I'll share my values and tell you how I arrived at my guesstimated numbers..

This is going to be good... :popcorn:

strat61caster 01-25-2020 03:43 PM

+5 hp tune
+5 hp header

Payload 01-25-2020 03:50 PM

I guess this was all you did so far..
Did u try uploading tunning software yet ?

I have done the following :
1. Performance equal length headers
2. Permance Full cat back exhaust
3. Aluminum drive shaft
4. Turbo fuel pump that can displace fuel at 365Lph I think I gotta re-check that spec.
5. K&N drop box air filter
6. Openflash tablet tune, I just started customizing my own tunes for this hardware like 2 years ago, after learning more.

KR-S 01-25-2020 04:01 PM

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I just caught this gem:

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293553)
This FA20 engine is capable of over 300 hp on just tuning the software via "openflash"or "ecu tek" without any force induction bolt-ons, I did some research with other forums discussed about this matter and just to make sure what I read was accurate I did some checks and checked out some numbers with an online fuel injector calculator, after using it myself I can provide some valid testimony to this subject matter myself.. The only the problem with a tune for this car minus any bolt- on force induction system is the torque rating.. Your not going to pick up extraordinary torque rates in the low rpm tech region say btwn 2,000-3,000rpm gauge until you get to about (X~>4,800)rpm or past it, the force induction has an advantage at high torque out-puts in the very low rpm region, that maybe the sole purpose of even using force induction. It's a waste of time of doing force induction just to say that your car can do 300+ hp because a stand alone tune will give the same power output in the higher rpm region of the techcometer..That's probably why Toyota reps took so long to even consider a turbo.. The power gains are solely in the users tunning capabilities for 300+ without using any force induction bolt-ons to the engine... Based on what I've noticed, force induction for a stock FA20 engine would only make sense if your trying to put on extra 200hp to the fly wheel or drag racing purposes.. Enjoy my friends����

300hp with just a tune

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Lantanafrs2 01-25-2020 04:03 PM

Oh lord

Payload 01-25-2020 04:09 PM

What is that image in your reply box ??

KR-S 01-25-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293569)
What is that image in your reply box ??

The Twitch emote OMEGALUL, a twisted image of the late John Bain aka TotalBiscuit, whose original image is also used as the LUL emote on Twitch. Used to express when something is really, really funny.

Millenial/Zoomer humor, basically.

JD001 01-25-2020 04:21 PM

This is like 'Back to the Future' but without the 'Future' bit..

NWFRS 01-25-2020 04:40 PM

Does ECU-TEK offer financing?

DarkPira7e 01-25-2020 04:56 PM

I can't believe so many of us wasted our time with stupid turbos and Superchargers. The answer was within our reach this whole time- methamphetamine!

KR-S 01-25-2020 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3293591)
I can't believe so many of us wasted our time with stupid turbos and Superchargers. The answer was within our reach this whole time- methamphetamine!

Looks like all the tuning shops gotta start opening meth labs and hire some science teachers.

Tcoat 01-25-2020 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293466)
Has anyone yet began to unlock the stock potential of there gt86 vehicles ecu with an "Openflash Tablet" provided by RomRaider written software updates, or Ecu-Tek hardware..??? Please note that this doesn't apply to owners of force induction FA20 engines, explicitly meaning without the use of a turbo-charger or super-charger bolt-on to the FA20 engine block...

Don't think anybody has tried tuning before. What is this
Romraider" and "echotech" stuff you speak of?


FFS

JD001 01-25-2020 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3293599)
Don't think anybody has tried tuning before. What is this
Romraider" and "echotech" stuff you speak of?


FFS

I think we have been infiltrated by the Honda Civi Si appreciation society...

Tcoat 01-25-2020 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 3293602)
I think we have been infiltrated by the Honda Civi Si appreciation society...

Maybe the Anti-Mensa Society?

KR-S 01-25-2020 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 3293602)
I think we have been infiltrated by the Honda Civi Si appreciation society...

Note to any Civic Si owners: Our engines don't come close to yours, please don't get your hopes up. Thank you.

JD001 01-25-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3293604)
Maybe the Anti-Mensa Society?

Or the 'Mensa-Anti Society'...

Payload 01-25-2020 06:16 PM

Buy the hardware on the ft86 website... Its only about $500 for the hardware.. You can pay someone to help you manipulate the mappings and others software settings that it comes with.. Or you could just look up forums with those whom have YouTube videos and others who give details on how to use the software for performance tunning..

Yup that's why they refused to offer this engine a turbo for soooo many years.. Besides the stock air fuel compression ratio is 12.5/1.0.. Which means for every 12.5 grams of air per sec the engine allows 1.0 gram/sec of fuel for a combustion..
Since the amount of air that can be compressed is set at such a high rate by stock standards. Technically it's already a very considerably high induction of air.. Our stock compression ratio is equivalent to those compression values of a supercharged force inducted engine..

Payload 01-25-2020 06:38 PM

Yea, so by default the compressor in the FA20 engine literally provides the air quality of a supercharger and turbo charged engine. Toyota just didn't want to give us a better ecu mapping of the software because their motto is to concentrate on making engines that are more reliable and safe, hence by default of those guide lines buyers suffer on performance output, but if you think about it Toyota saved us money on our insurance policy because they could have easily given us 255 hp if they tweeked the ecu software settings with this FA20 engine without the use of Force inductions air compressors.. So to help us enjoy this gift of an engine investors put out tunning hardware to help market the potential of this car.. Notice how these tunning hardwares were almost released around the same time this car was available to purchase.

Lantanafrs2 01-25-2020 06:39 PM

If you ain't a troll, my deepest sympathies

DarkPira7e 01-25-2020 06:42 PM

This is so good. Maybe the reason nobody is unlocking the potential is because everyone has the Subaru variant of the FA20, instead of Toyota's?

Payload 01-25-2020 06:44 PM

You can buy the tunning hardware on the link provided.
www.ft86speedfactory.com

Payload 01-25-2020 06:45 PM

Nah, it's the same engine, but it's introduced with Toyota's d-4s technology.

soundman98 01-25-2020 06:50 PM

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...s_going-vi.jpg

soundman98 01-25-2020 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293561)
3. Aluminum drive shaft

5. K&N drop box air filter


i'm going be ROFLing if these things are claimed to be worth 20 hp

Payload 01-25-2020 06:54 PM

Toyota can do the same thing Honda and Nissan do but they purposely don't tweek the ecu to make it a high performance engine when purchased. They usually leave it up to the user/ buyer to make the changes to the maps to make it a more competitive performing car.. Were as Honda and Nissan focus more on performance so its more likely that they tweek the ecu a little more and alot more in some cases for there performance cars.. Toyota will more likely only concern themselves with quality and reliability of the engine design before they decide to tweek the ecu to make there cars more performance oriented to provide to their buyers..

soundman98 01-25-2020 07:20 PM

but subaru developed the ecu. subaru knows how to tune and tweak ecu's to develop decent power out of the box.

The Red One 01-25-2020 07:20 PM

What are you using to dilute the water or is it strait from the tap?

Kodename47 01-25-2020 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293561)
6. Openflash tablet tune, I just started customizing my own tunes for this hardware like 2 years ago, after learning more.

Did all the research on how to remap a car, learnt nothing about how an engine works and make power......

soundman98 01-25-2020 08:11 PM

show me "dyno sheets"!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MMgx1QcSQUQ/hqdefault.jpg

KR-S 01-25-2020 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293640)
Yea, so by default the compressor in the FA20 engine literally provides the air quality of a supercharger and turbo charged engine. Toyota just didn't want to give us a better ecu mapping of the software because their motto is to concentrate on making engines that are more reliable and safe, hence by default of those guide lines buyers suffer on performance output, but if you think about it Toyota saved us money on our insurance policy because they could have easily given us 255 hp if they tweeked the ecu software settings with this FA20 engine without the use of Force inductions air compressors.. So to help us enjoy this gift of an engine investors put out tunning hardware to help market the potential of this car.. Notice how these tunning hardwares were almost released around the same time this car was available to purchase.

You're either a troll, you've just now started to get into the car scene, and/or you're actually 14 and don't own an FR-S and are just making shit up to sound cool.

Please tell me where this so-called "compressor" is in the FA20, and please tell me more about how Toyota didn't have time to tune the software since apparently they were responsible for the development of a Subaru engine.

Lantanafrs2 01-25-2020 09:45 PM

Most manufacturers leave it up to the customer to destroy their vehicle.

DarkPira7e 01-25-2020 11:38 PM

Honestly, I'm sure he's waiting for someone to send him a private message asking where to buy the tune, and then will scam the poor bastard who is ignorant enough to believe him.
Something to the effect of
"Ah, well I can sell you an engine chip with the tune. It plugs right into the obd2 port and programs automatically"

NoHaveMSG 01-25-2020 11:50 PM

Please research "volumetric efficiency" before posting anymore.

On second thought, don't. This is more fun :D

Mr.ac 01-26-2020 12:39 AM

Oh boy it's been a while since a troll came along.
We forgot how stupid they sound compared to "some" members posts. Know what I mean?

ElijahF 01-26-2020 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Payload (Post 3293628)
Buy the hardware on the ft86 website... Its only about $500 for the hardware.. You can pay someone to help you manipulate the mappings and others software settings that it comes with.. Or you could just look up forums with those whom have YouTube videos and others who give details on how to use the software for performance tunning..

Yup that's why they refused to offer this engine a turbo for soooo many years.. Besides the stock air fuel compression ratio is 12.5/1.0.. Which means for every 12.5 grams of air per sec the engine allows 1.0 gram/sec of fuel for a combustion..
Since the amount of air that can be compressed is set at such a high rate by stock standards. Technically it's already a very considerably high induction of air.. Our stock compression ratio is equivalent to those compression values of a supercharged force inducted engine..

Nothing special about the high compression ratio except that my wallet is empty from buying premium fuel.

soundman98 01-26-2020 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ElijahF (Post 3293825)
Nothing special about the high compression ratio except that my wallet is empty from buying premium fuel.

if you think that's bad, try dailying a pickup truck.

20 gallons, even at regular cost goes pretty quickly at 5-9 mpg!

Payload 01-29-2020 08:28 AM

Wait, guys I'm trying to scam any of you.. I'll show you guys a link on how I estimated what my hp should be valued at. This is the manufacturers site of the fuel pump I purchased... It has a fuel injector calculator, it uses other parameters that you can plug in the tab spaces to estimate hp.. I'll post the link with this message, so you can overview it.. You can decide for yourself, as far as tunning we can discuss what I have done. I'll be willing to share it, at that point you can dyno my tunes and discuss your results, I my self would like to know how accurate these calculated values are compared with a dyno. This link is easy to use.. Since I don't have dyno sheets I think its only fare that you guys see how I've estimated my alleged hp values.https://www.deatschwerks.com/fuel-ca...tor-calculator


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