This dude in Germany made an electric 86
 

It's electric.. boogie woogie woogie

https://insideevs.com/news/394797/to...san-leaf-swap/

IDK of that will end up clickable, but there you go.

Sure, he fixed the torque dip...

But he still needs 50 hp more!

was really hoping for more build details...

Great, now I am looking at salvage Leaf's AND Twins :bonk:

Well, if we are going to take the article seriously... yes, I would love to know what weight distribution was achieved- from the scant details it would seem to be biased to the rear... I suspect negative impact to handling. The article basically implies the car has not really been driven- just moved in short distances under its own power.

The 295 foot pounds of torque is nothing to sneeze at though.

But...

A rough search says that:

The stock engine weighs in at about 350 pounds.

The Leaf engine and batteries come in someplace around 800 pounds.

The weight distribution of the batteries is based purely upon convenience of available space. The thing will be grossly butt heavy. Nice for traction but truly horrible for steering.

The thing has an 80 mile range which would just plain suck.

Fun project car but really no "improvements" made.

Converting cars not designed from the ground up to be EVs rarely results in a great vehicle.

i don't want details for a future project, just a curiousity-- as tcoat said, converted vehicles aren't extremely good at much, converted ev's using air-cooled leaf parts even less..

Well I thought it was pretty neat but you guys are right, #totalled...

Yeah no- it's still pretty neat :P . Functional no, but neat nonetheless. I would like more build details though. That "acceleration pull" was at least very obviously done with the wheels off the ground: If the door wasn't open I'd think he was trying to say it could do that on pavement.


Random:
Hey OP, your sig made me think of this for the first time in at least 10 years. Gave me a chuckle.
youtube.com/watch?v=WjElZ-O9EpM

Edit: Hmm, I really didn't mean to take over the whole page with that Youtube link.

Weight distribution is easily addressed with ballast, although it's not adding so much power that you would really want to start bolting on pure weight.

It's just interesting to see how electric vehicle technology is changing the modification world.

This kind of stuff is like nails in the coffin for the world where you can stuff a 350 in basically anything. In 50 years, what will the electric equivalent of that be, I wonder?

Why not like put a big engine in a Tesla or something and pull a big switch-a-roo?

And make sure you go way back in tech!

https://car-from-uk.com/ebay/carphot...ebay711629.jpg

Original 2JZ?

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Bigger! Badder! Back to the the days when American muscle ruled the roads.

And further back even yet.

Ya want torque and a light body - we had it back in the 50's - :D

https://youtu.be/e58NJU5B3v8

(that song ought to drive ol @Tcoat back underground)

Actually, that race was on the Old Spiral Highway, coming up from Lewiston, ID.

:burnrubber:


humfrz

Nah I am fine with tat. Doesn't have that country twang or three bar beat.

There are a number of mid- and rear-engine cars that might suggest otherwise...

For most people that would easily get them to and from work during the week and handle most weekend trips as well. Yes, longer trips are kind of out of the question, but so what, this is still cool and for me, even with a 55-mile commute, it would serve 90% of my street-car needs.

I worked at an EV company for a while and rode a ~400cc equivalent electric motorscooter most of the time in nice weather. Never having to stop for gas was a nice benefit I hadn't really considered.

whats your opinion of the leaf battery pack then? in my research, it's got generally poor reviews due specifically to being an air cooled pack, which severely limits it's cold and hot weather range contrasted with liquid cooled packs that can better adjust to temperature extremes.

edit: let me rephrase that a little-- the leaf pack, being what it is reviews like it has more range issues because of it's cooling method. i'm seeing reports that the 80mi is perfect weather. get into near freezing or above 80 degrees, and it's range more consistently drops to somewhere around 30-50 miles.

yes, that's still plenty for most people, but it's enough of a dramatic shift to alter the usage viability.

Maybe but they have suspension designed to handle that distribution. Go put 200 or 300 pounds in your trunk and get back to us.

The 80 mile range is based upon the Leaf. The probability of this thing getting that is remote. People are concerned about the 300 mile range on electric cars so why would a probable quarter of that be fine.

I rode a bicycle and took the bus for years and never having to stop to plug in was nice.

I didn't say it wasn't a fun little project I said it was not any form of improvement on the IC base car. Designed and built as one could be a whole different matter.

I don't know enough about the Leaf battery pack. Thermal management is a big deal to maximize performance and life out of big battery packs though, so if it's lacking there, yeah, that's a big hit.

For sure a Tesla pack and motor would be preferable but more weight, more $$$...

Average speed is also a huge factor, drive a little faster and lose a ton of range potential... I would take back-roads to my work 35 miles away to avoid high speeds, side benefit was much less stress and nice scenery!

Yeah, unfortunately if you have to have one car to do it all, including road trips, electric isn't the best solution.

Easy enough to put stiffer springs in back and softer in front to balance the handling. Stock car is woefully front-heavy anyway, IMO...

"People"? Yeah, a lot of folks need to be able to go a lot farther than that. But a lot of people don't. No, a car like this isn't for everyone.

??? Irrelevant. I rode my electric bike just as I would ride my ICE motorcycle. You would have had a time doing my commute either on a bicycle or via public transportation.

It is an improvement in terms of emissions. And weight distribution ;)

I hope that before we go to all autonomous cars we at least have an era were there are smallish/fun rwd electric cars for a bit. Not counting on it... Still it's great to see projects like this.

FWIW here's my electric SV650 motorcycle I built with some help from my friends:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkTcbaMjF9A[/ame]
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM33sk7rBI4[/ame]

Price.

Sure you could add heavier springs and compensate for the weight but that changes the dynamics even more. You could also work at spreading the batteries out instead of just using the space that is already there from the ICE design.
It is fun that both the new Subaru Global Platform and Toyota Architecture are clearly stated to be easily adaptable to hybrid and electric vehicles. You may get your wish of a proper electric sports car sooner than you think.

I think that at some level we actually agree in most points and I am just trying to say that this particular set up is not practical or really beneficial. It is just baby steps towards the future of modding.

Adjusting front/rear roll stiffness with the change in front/rear weight distribution would be an improvement, not a detriment, to handling dynamics. I mean, that would be the whole idea of it.

Yeah, it would be a lot better to have those batteries back behind the rear wheels in the spare tire area relocated to the rear seat area instead. IMO the increased polar moment is a bigger deal than the altered front/rear weight distribution.

Speaking of which, my "electric SV650" indeed handled like a 2-wheel tank because of weight distribution (two heavy packs in added-on saddlebag structures). This would be way less noticeable in a 4-wheeler but yeah, not ideal...

Yeah, I'm with you. For sure this is more of a home-built project and not a holistically engineered car. But STILL, I think it's pretty cool! Really really really hope somebody'll engineer and build a real production EV like this...

Sigh. I do miss my’69 Roadrunner...


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Props on the SV in any case.
Don't even break with installation of super mods.
2 wheel cockroach. Still love mine.

https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/_xF...00716045-l.jpg

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/30431/...ema-swap-ready

it's really only a matter of time before they do the same thing with a 2jz.

That's amazing.

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That article is merely a super short summary of this thread.

There's all the build details.

I'd agree more HP is not the answer with 295 ft-lbs at 0 rpm on tap.
Power-to-weight ratios are awfully focused on HP. I think it becomes more impressive if it changed to torque-to-weight ratio.

All the HP and torque in the world is of no use at all if you can effectively put it to the ground. Just becomes a numbers game after you reach a certain threshold.

Power to weight gives you a good idea of acceleration performance. Torque to weight by itself tells you nothing... Massive torque at very low rpm will not accelerate quickly...

BUT.


Is it faster than a minivan????

I was going to post the same thing but with this article https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/e...c-crate-motor/ I'm seriously contemplating a way to make a conversion like this happen in a few years.

There are some great old cars that I've always wanted but stayed away from because of terrible fuel economy, they're terribly underpowered or wholly unreliable. Something like this might make some of those more feasible. Think Jaguar or some of the big land barges from Caddy, Olds or Buick in the 70's...


Don't forget that you'll also be losing the weight of the cooling system, gas tank and a few other minor things but yeah it would still be at least a few hundred pounds heavier. A bunch of batteries could actually fit up front where the radiator is and then I'd think where the gas tank is would be a good place for them too and that would put the weight in the right place.

There are some updates to the build thread, anyone wanna guess what the 0-60 time is?

What is it?

7.2

From here

So about stock lol

And just as loud lol

Or if you have to slow down for the turn while I'm still accelerating...

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