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MJones_RB 12-27-2019 06:01 PM

WRX #1, FR-S #2
 
10 vehicles with the most speeding tickets per driver, in descending order:
  1. Subaru WRX
  2. Scion FR-S
  3. Volkswagen GTI
  4. Hyundai Genesis coupe
  5. Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
  6. Ram 2500
  7. Dodge Dart
  8. Infiniti G37
  9. Subaru Impreza
  10. Hyundai Veloster

Also:
  • WRX drivers have 2.29 times the number of DUIs and 1.82 times as many at-fault accidents as the national average.
  • The FR-S came in at 1.72 times the average for at-fault accidents, but 25% below the national DUI average.
  • GTI accidents were 1.72 times average, DUI 1.43 times.

Hmm...

beltax90 12-27-2019 06:04 PM

i thought these cars were slow

86MLR 12-27-2019 06:10 PM

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Relative to?

Tcoat 12-27-2019 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJones_RB (Post 3286225)
10 vehicles with the most speeding tickets per driver, in descending order:
  1. Subaru WRX
  2. Scion FR-S
  3. Volkswagen GTI
  4. Hyundai Genesis coupe
  5. Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
  6. Ram 2500
  7. Dodge Dart
  8. Infiniti G37
  9. Subaru Impreza
  10. Hyundai Veloster

Also:
  • WRX drivers have 2.29 times the number of DUIs and 1.82 times as many at-fault accidents as the national average.
  • The FR-S came in at 1.72 times the average for at-fault accidents, but 25% below the national DUI average.
  • GTI accidents were 1.72 times average, DUI 1.43 times.

Hmm...

OK so now link to where this "data" came from.
If it is the insurance institute one it is very skewed because it is just drivers that applied for new insurance not a true picture of all drivers.

HKz 12-27-2019 06:12 PM

the lower DUI part is sorta interesting, first time reading that, but the ticketing part hasn't been news since the times of the boomers


..and admittedly, I added to the ticket & accident stat (though the latter was the other party's fault)

beltax90 12-27-2019 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 86MLR (Post 3286227)
Relative to?

santa claus lookin a little different this year

isn't funny how everyone thinks this car is slow / needs more power and here it is getting the most speeding tickets?
isnt that not funny? you know, irony? yeesh didnt have to bust out the albert einstein memes

MJones_RB 12-27-2019 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3286228)
OK so now link to where this "data" came from.
If it is the insurance institute one it is very skewed because it is just drivers that applied for new insurance not a true picture of all drivers.

"according to a survey by insurance shopping website Insurify."

Impureclient 12-27-2019 07:42 PM

Feel like a broken record for always saying it but getting a decent radar detector will almost ensure you never get a speeding ticket again.
If you're being unfairly targeted out there, do something about it. It happens with this car as it attracts polices eyes on it.

Tcoat 12-27-2019 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJones_RB (Post 3286239)
"according to a survey by insurance shopping website Insurify."

Yep That is the one. Totally bogus numbers based only upon people shopping for new insurance. Not even a basically accurate snapshot of the big picture that probably only shows that those car owners shop for insurance more than others. Not even a coincidence that an insurance shopping survey would have people with higher numbers of tickets and DUIs. That is the very reason they are shopping for insurance!
Makes a great clickbait headline though.

Tcoat 12-27-2019 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3286244)
Feel like a broken record for always saying it but getting a decent radar detector will almost ensure you never get a speeding ticket again.
If you're being unfairly targeted out there, do something about it. It happens with this car as it attracts polices eyes on it.

Or you could always not speed. If you have a detector then you have the intent to speed so what is unfair if caught?

Impureclient 12-27-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3286246)
Or you could always not speed. If you have a detector then you have the intent to speed so what is unfair if caught?

Nah, doesn't matter. It is fair if I'm caught though....as unlikely as that is. I'm not complaining about getting caught driving like a maniac, just your every day going over PSL we all do.
Saying radar detectors are a intent to speed is the same as saying getting high performance tires or a big wing is intent too though.

This article better explains how I drive better than I could:
http://www.sehinc.com/news/truth-abo...ained-engineer
I'm just doing out there doing my best to be a safer driver.

soundman98 12-27-2019 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3286244)
Feel like a broken record for always saying it but getting a decent radar detector will almost ensure you never get a speeding ticket again.
If you're being unfairly targeted out there, do something about it. It happens with this car as it attracts polices eyes on it.

i tried that for 2 years once. the last straw was when it was inconsistently going off for 25 miles of open road where i had clear line of sight and no other cars, then 10 minutes after it stopped going off, the first vehicle for miles that turns up turned out to be a cruiser that was checking speed. it never blipped, even once when the cruiser was visible.

i gave up on radar detectors after that.

beltax90 12-27-2019 10:12 PM

would prob make a good decal/psa

https://s5.gifyu.com/images/dirft.gif

Impureclient 12-27-2019 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3286264)
i tried that for 2 years once. the last straw was when it was inconsistently going off for 25 miles of open road where i had clear line of sight and no other cars, then 10 minutes after it stopped going off, the first vehicle for miles that turns up turned out to be a cruiser that was checking speed. it never blipped, even once when the cruiser was visible.

i gave up on radar detectors after that.

Weird. Could have just been a bad egg from the carton. It happens sometimes, I also look in https://www.rdforum.org/ here and there and see that happening.
I get completely opposite results of what you experienced. It will be a little noisy around certain newer cars but I have become accustomed to ignoring it when it's clear that's what is going on. It really is an unfair advantage I have with that thing now. I use a Uniden R3, a little spendy but, so worth it. Ran a Passport 8500 X50 before this but this is just is a totally unreal tool to reach very far out there. Miles away before I even see them now. Even in heavy congested areas it's still getting them past a mile out.
I don't advocate ignorant speeding but when we are driving with the "speeding" flow of traffic or in my case below the PSL because I was watching him tail me to see what he was doing, it really makes driving much more enjoyable since I'm not looking over my shoulder waiting for some silly 5mph over ticket since the car looks fast.
Last ticket was like 15ish years ago before I had one. It was a speedtrap in Virginia going from 65>55>45 so quick letting off the gas wouldn't have stopped them from giving out tickets. Virginia...the craphole only state in the U.S. where radar detectors are illegal. Gee, I wonder why.... Haven't come close to getting one since. Other than that last doofus that pulled me over last year lying about my speed that is. Schooled him on the laws about concealed carry and made him look stupid so he took off embarrassed without even a warning as it was a bogus stop to begin with. I mean I love cops for putting their lives on the line but man a few bad ones out there really screw up the reputation for the rest something terrible.

Just looked and the R3 is now down to $300 since the R7 now recently came out. Three bills is just one speeding tickets worth of electronics that will make driving much more relaxing.
Anybody thinking about getting one should have that R3 at the top of the list. Not for fast and furious driving but peace of mind.

Tcoat 12-27-2019 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3286263)
Nah, doesn't matter. It is fair if I'm caught though....as unlikely as that is. I'm not complaining about getting caught driving like a maniac, just your every day going over PSL we all do.
Saying radar detectors are a intent to speed is the same as saying getting high performance tires or a big wing is intent too though.

This article better explains how I drive better than I could:
http://www.sehinc.com/news/truth-abo...ained-engineer
I'm just doing out there doing my best to be a safer driver.

Not the same thing. The ONLY purpose a radar detector serves is to warn you there is radar so you can go the speed limit and avoid a ticket. You can try to spin it any way you want but it is like saying you carry a full burglary kit just in case you lock yourself out of the house.

Impureclient 12-27-2019 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3286286)
Not the same thing. The ONLY purpose a radar detector serves is to warn you there is radar so you can go the speed limit and avoid a ticket. You can try to spin it any way you want but it is like saying you carry a full burglary kit just in case you lock yourself out of the house.

Wizard!! How do you know about my burglary kit!! It was a Christmas gift from my sweet ol' grandma and it also just so happens purchase and possession of lock picks is legal in the State of Florida.
No Prima Facie Evidence in FL, no sir. And just in case you seen any full face ski masks too while you were snooping, I am about to go on a skiing trip to Vermont!

beltax90 12-27-2019 10:49 PM

wheres that popcorn emoji

ToySub1946 12-27-2019 10:54 PM

No wonder my insurance is $1300 a year...even though I'm 73 yo.


Time to trade my FRS for a BRZ.

soundman98 12-27-2019 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3286286)
Not the same thing. The ONLY purpose a radar detector serves is to warn you there is radar so you can go the speed limit and avoid a ticket. You can try to spin it any way you want but it is like saying you carry a full burglary kit just in case you lock yourself out of the house.

i do actually have a full lockout set in my toolbox for the random occasion.

and i know at least 5 ways to get into any house. varying in destructiveness.

Impureclient 12-27-2019 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToySub1946 (Post 3286292)
No wonder my insurance is $1300 a year...even though I'm 73 yo.


Time to trade my FRS for a BRZ.

Insurance is all over the place. Sometimes it really seems like they have this big wheel of fortune wheel thing and spin that thing and hand out rates.
I will say though that after getting my credit score pretty high high up there, that seems like it made a huge difference. 3 vehicles including the FRS and I'm at about $1k a year.
I'd imagine if you really pushed them for an answer they would just give you the old standby "California is a high risk state" excuse.

Will BRZ 12-28-2019 12:44 AM

Meh. True or false, really don't care. Insurance is what it's going to be. Still going to continue to follow the speed limits and respect the law. Doesn't make a difference who's "#1" on anything because it depends on SO many things.

Also, I'm with Tcoat on the radar detector thing. Why spend hundreds of dollars on a devise to avoid tickets when you could go the speed limit for free? :iono:

Dave-ROR 12-28-2019 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3286285)
Weird. Could have just been a bad egg from the carton. It happens sometimes, I also look in https://www.rdforum.org/ here and there and see that happening.
I get completely opposite results of what you experienced. It will be a little noisy around certain newer cars but I have become accustomed to ignoring it when it's clear that's what is going on. It really is an unfair advantage I have with that thing now. I use a Uniden R3, a little spendy but, so worth it. Ran a Passport 8500 X50 before this but this is just is a totally unreal tool to reach very far out there. Miles away before I even see them now. Even in heavy congested areas it's still getting them past a mile out.
I don't advocate ignorant speeding but when we are driving with the "speeding" flow of traffic or in my case below the PSL because I was watching him tail me to see what he was doing, it really makes driving much more enjoyable since I'm not looking over my shoulder waiting for some silly 5mph over ticket since the car looks fast.
Last ticket was like 15ish years ago before I had one. It was a speedtrap in Virginia going from 65>55>45 so quick letting off the gas wouldn't have stopped them from giving out tickets. Virginia...the craphole only state in the U.S. where radar detectors are illegal. Gee, I wonder why.... Haven't come close to getting one since. Other than that last doofus that pulled me over last year lying about my speed that is. Schooled him on the laws about concealed carry and made him look stupid so he took off embarrassed without even a warning as it was a bogus stop to begin with. I mean I love cops for putting their lives on the line but man a few bad ones out there really screw up the reputation for the rest something terrible.

Just looked and the R3 is now down to $300 since the R7 now recently came out. Three bills is just one speeding tickets worth of electronics that will make driving much more relaxing.
Anybody thinking about getting one should have that R3 at the top of the list. Not for fast and furious driving but peace of mind.

Eh. In 26 years of driving I'm gotten one speeding ticket 20 years ago. I've owned a radar detector for about 0 days of my life.

And yes I do "normal" speeding every single day (speed of traffic).

soundman98 12-28-2019 01:29 AM

this is what i've learned over the years.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/nail...t-28780839.jpg

beltax90 12-28-2019 01:45 AM

what i learned in the 90s

https://media2.giphy.com/media/hxc32veg6tbqg/source.gif

WNDSRFR 12-28-2019 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 3286336)
Eh. In 26 years of driving I'm gotten one speeding ticket 20 years ago. I've owned a radar detector for about 0 days of my life.

And yes I do "normal" speeding every single day (speed of traffic).

Yeah
Around here everybody speeds. The actual speed limit is considered to be 5 miles an hour above the posted limit. The posted speed limit on I-95 is 70 MPH. But everyone (including the cops) goes at least 75 MPH. And I noticed the other day that when my speedometer indicates 75 MPH, I'm actually going 77 according to the GPS.
And this doesn't seem to be a local phenomena. It seems like everywhere I go the rule is the same. (Maybe not in Canada, I don't know, never been there.)

soundman98 12-28-2019 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3286372)
Yeah
Around here everybody speeds. The actual speed limit is considered to be 5 miles an hour above the posted limit. The posted speed limit on I-95 is 70 MPH. But everyone (including the cops) goes at least 75 MPH. And I noticed the other day that when my speedometer indicates 75 MPH, I'm actually going 77 according to the GPS.
And this doesn't seem to be a local phenomena. It seems like everywhere I go the rule is the same. (Maybe not in Canada, I don't know, never been there.)

my cars are all 2-3mph slower on gps than indicated.

which is a good thing for me.

DarkSunrise 12-28-2019 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3286372)
Yeah
The actual speed limit is considered to be 5 miles an hour above the posted limit. The posted speed limit on I-95 is 70 MPH. But everyone (including the cops) goes at least 75 MPH.

I actually tried arguing this with a cop years ago when he pulled me over for 45 in a 40. Didn't work haha. At least it was just a citation and not a ticket though.

JesseG 12-30-2019 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3286372)
Yeah

Around here everybody speeds. The actual speed limit is considered to be 5 miles an hour above the posted limit. The posted speed limit on I-95 is 70 MPH. But everyone (including the cops) goes at least 75 MPH. And I noticed the other day that when my speedometer indicates 75 MPH, I'm actually going 77 according to the GPS.

And this doesn't seem to be a local phenomena. It seems like everywhere I go the rule is the same. (Maybe not in Canada, I don't know, never been there.)



Same exact thing around here, going the PSL actually feels dangerous at times. Like you are about to get steam rolled if you aren’t going at least 10 mph over. I do feel like I’ve actually slowed down a little with the FR-S compared to my 2019 Corolla Hatchback. With the FR-S I like to try and keep the RPM around 3,000 - 3,500 on the highway in 6th gear, which equals about 65-70 mph. In the Corolla with a CVT it was much “easier” to go faster on the hwy. It’s not a faster car, just easier to speed on the freeway. [emoji28]


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finch1750 12-30-2019 04:53 PM

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[LIST][*]WRX drivers have 2.29 times the number of DUIs and 1.82 times as many at-fault accidents as the national average.
Guess those vapes have a little more then some flavored juice in them

YamahaR86 12-30-2019 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 3286372)
Yeah
Around here everybody speeds. The actual speed limit is considered to be 5 miles an hour above the posted limit. The posted speed limit on I-95 is 70 MPH. But everyone (including the cops) goes at least 75 MPH. And I noticed the other day that when my speedometer indicates 75 MPH, I'm actually going 77 according to the GPS.
And this doesn't seem to be a local phenomena. It seems like everywhere I go the rule is the same. (Maybe not in Canada, I don't know, never been there.)


I think the general rule is 75 mph in the "pass lane". I always go that speed and never gotten a ticket. Limit is 65 on 408 expressway here and on shitty I-4 it's 55. Of course I get on 417 expressway and people are blowing by me doing 85-90, think speed limit is 70.

JD001 12-30-2019 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJones_RB (Post 3286225)
10 vehicles with the most speeding tickets per driver, in descending order:
  1. Subaru WRX
  2. Scion FR-S
  3. Volkswagen GTI
  4. Hyundai Genesis coupe
  5. Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
  6. Ram 2500
  7. Dodge Dart
  8. Infiniti G37
  9. Subaru Impreza
  10. Hyundai Veloster

Also:
  • WRX drivers have 2.29 times the number of DUIs and 1.82 times as many at-fault accidents as the national average.
  • The FR-S came in at 1.72 times the average for at-fault accidents, but 25% below the national DUI average.
  • GTI accidents were 1.72 times average, DUI 1.43 times.

Hmm...


Subarus are 'gansta' cars.. UK soap has established the link too...

https://youtu.be/im7dFSsjH5I

Th3rdSun 12-30-2019 05:49 PM

I haven't owned a ton of cars in my many years of driving,but my FR-S is the only car that I've ever owned that I've never even been pulled over in.

*knock on wood*

Funny thing is that of all the cars I've owned,it would seem like I would've been pulled over in it more that all of my other cars.

Dave-ROR 12-30-2019 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 3286919)
I think the general rule is 75 mph in the "pass lane". I always go that speed and never gotten a ticket. Limit is 65 on 408 expressway here and on shitty I-4 it's 55. Of course I get on 417 expressway and people are blowing by me doing 85-90, think speed limit is 70.

I pretty much go 75-80 on I4 across the state if traffic allows. Along with everyone else it seems..

DarkPira7e 12-30-2019 05:57 PM

The article should be titles " Enthusiast forums most likely to embellish and re-port this article"

Tcoat 12-30-2019 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3286958)
The article should be titles " Enthusiast forums most likely to embellish and re-port this article"

This has to be at least the 6th time this has been posted. It is a nice clickbait title that grabs attention just like it is supposed to so every time somebody stumbles across it they want to share this "great info".

FRSBRZGT86FAN 12-30-2019 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 3286956)
I pretty much go 75-80 on I4 across the state if traffic allows. Along with everyone else it seems..


Same here, I read a study showing in great detail that speed limits have a percentage of "lee-way" where the safety factor isn't effected due to cars around you also following that speed. Sadly in the U.S. the speed limits don't seem to be full adjusted to that.

soundman98 12-30-2019 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseG (Post 3286910)
Same exact thing around here, going the PSL actually feels dangerous at times. Like you are about to get steam rolled if you aren’t going at least 10 mph over. I do feel like I’ve actually slowed down a little with the FR-S compared to my 2019 Corolla Hatchback. With the FR-S I like to try and keep the RPM around 3,000 - 3,500 on the highway in 6th gear, which equals about 65-70 mph. In the Corolla with a CVT it was much “easier” to go faster on the hwy. It’s not a faster car, just easier to speed on the freeway. [emoji28]


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around 4 years ago, the illinois state highway patrol launched a massive "drive 45" initiative in construction zones during the summer construction season. they said they were going to be out in force more then ever before.

so once, i tried. i agreed with what they were trying to do, and i agreed people need to slow down in construction zones. so that time, as i entered the construction zone, i got over to the far right lane, and set cruise control at exactly 45mph. i might as well have been pedaling a bike at the indy 500.

after nearly dying more times than i could count in 10 minutes, i gave up and sped up to traffics 60-70mph. paying even a $5,000 fine for going the speed of traffic was better than seeing my picture on the front page "local driver cause of multi-car pile up when he takes semi up ass"

JesseG 12-31-2019 02:01 AM

^ [emoji23][emoji1787] Doing the right thing usually ends up being more dangerous, because of all the crazy people around us. There is a street close to where I live with a 35mph speed limit, which I always follow. There are several apartment complexes and a subdivision, so it’s meant to, you know, make life safer for everyone, keep you alive and stuff. I’ve been passed on that road more times than I can count, several with a one finger salute or horn honking. People are fu**ing nuts. [emoji2957]


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Audio 12-31-2019 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKz (Post 3286229)
the lower DUI part is sorta interesting,

FR-S handles better. Duhhhh!!!!:iono:

Audio 12-31-2019 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3286264)
i tried that for 2 years once. the last straw was when it was inconsistently going off for 25 miles of open road where i had clear line of sight and no other cars, then 10 minutes after it stopped going off, the first vehicle for miles that turns up turned out to be a cruiser that was checking speed. it never blipped, even once when the cruiser was visible.

i gave up on radar detectors after that.

They don't always have there radar on. They are able to turn it off, which renders the detector useless. But that's where Waze comes in!:bonk:


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