Revving after 10 mins idle from cold start
 

Hello, I recently got my 86 back from ceramic coating. I have a dash cam and played back the video. The car was fully cold, then was started and at idle for approx 10 full minutes. After that the shop guys smacked the rev limiter while parked a couple times.

I always wait after 10-15 minutes of normal driving before I get anywhere near redline. Would this have caused any damage in terms of lack of cylinder lubrication? Is 10 minutes of idle warm up enough to thin down 0w-20 oil? Granted the car was inside the shop so cold temp was probably 10 degrees Celsius. Thanks

I'd be more intersted in getting the clowns who did that fired.

I doubt it did any damage. Ten minutes should be enough to warm it up.

By "ceramic coating," are you talking about a body treatment or a coated header?

I would probably contact the owner of the shop, show him the video and inquire 1) why they left your car idling in the first place and 2) why they felt the need to rev your motor. I would then gauge his response to decide whether to write this entire thing up in reviews on Google, Facebook and any place else I could find to review his shop. Bad reviews can seriously damage a shop's business.

If it's a coated header, I could see why they would want to get it hot to start burning it in and check for CELs. I'd probably even let the rev limiter thing go if that's the case. But I can't imagine why they would need to do either of those things for a body treatment.

Unfortunately it was the actual owner of the shop.

It was for the body of the car. And it was definitely just for their pleasure. They were revving another car prior to mine based on video/audio.

Time for some negative reviews then. Call 'em out on it publicly.

i'd contact them for a full refund. don't bother threatening about the reviews. pending the situation of the refund, i'd leave a review for them. if full refund, they get 5 stars note your ceramic coating was free because they love to cold-rev motors. if no/little refund, same note just different star rating.

While far from ideal, I really doubt bouncing off the rev limiter a couple of times would harm the engine, especially without load.

That being said, I would 100% ask for a compensation and / or write a review explaining your experience. Not only for you, but also so that other people know what to expect.

"Turbo all cars"
"MORE POWER"
"Tune, header E85 rocks"
"Wider wheels are bestest"
"Redline every shift"
Drive it like it is meant to be driven"
"OH MY GOD they idled and revved it? CRUCIFY THEM!!!!"


For crying out loud people it is just a car. A few minutes idling and a couple of revs isn't going to hurt it. Some of these responses are just plain stupid.

I redlined and bounced off the limiter when cold, before the so called break in period was done, I was doing drifts on the way back from the dealer the night I bought the car with 14 km on the odometer (yes fourteen), and it's fine - not a drop of oil burned or anything else 40K miles later. 10 minutes of idling is plenty, trust me

Well it’s not ideal to only let the engine warm up by idling and then pegging the rev limiter. 0W20 does basically flow like water so that helps get all the critical parts lubricated quickly. I would show the manager of that shop your video. There should never have been a reason for them to rev your engine that high.


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Can you really blame them? Imagine you're in their shoes. Awesome car comes in their shop, they're all car guys (and/or gals), they wanna hear it blip, I say let 'em. I know some places even go for a test drive just to make sure everything went well.


My preferred local shop loves me for that. :party0038:
I knew my WRX sounded badass, I didn't mind if they had a little fun with it (i.e. no clutch dumps, nothing mechanically taxing/destructive, etc). We're on a first-name basis now. You'd be amazed how far being friendly takes you.


On to more serious notes, what kind of dashcam do you have?

The number of people who say "no big deal" is astounding.

The number of people worried about something so trivial is astounding.

:iono:

A lot of keyboard warriors for sure lol. At least it's amusing

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The difference is that it's your right to drive your car however you want.

But the shop doesn't own the car and shouldn't be taking liberties with it.

My suggestion to post a negative review isn't about potential damage. It's about the disrespect involved in handling a customer's property. It's fair to let potential customers know that the shop doesn't respect you or the property you entrust to them.

Exactly! It's about respecting other people's property. It probably didn't do any harm but, what if it had? Or, what if something happens down the road.
Definitely contact the business owner and register your displeasure. Then follow it up in writing. If it's like the coating I got, I have to return the car every year for inspection and a surface treatment to keep the warranty valid. If this guy wants to keep your business and not get bad press he should be willing to own this.

Must be a boomer thing. How can you not give a shit about someone doing this to your car, even it it's harmless? Some are just fucked in the head, I guess.

Okay vroom-vroom-vroomer.

So extortion?
Much over reaction.
It is a couple of revs for Christ sake. They didn't take it into a demolition derby.
Bunch of whiny little prissys.

I'm curious. Suppose you took your car to a shop, and when you got it back out of nowhere the owner said, "Hey, fuck you Tcoat. You're an idiot."

Would you take your car back there? Would you give the place good reviews?

No I wouldn't but the shop didn't do that. They reved a car a couple of times. Whoope shit. You guys want to blow it out of proportion then fine but it just is not that big a deal no matter how you want to spin it.

a little annoying for sure, but certainly could be worse and I agree that the revving in all likelihood did nothing...car was not under any load, not in gear (no random launching/clutch dump), etc..

if something like this happened to me, I probably wouldn't say anything unless the actual job I paid for came out like trash then I would use it as extra proof that they're clowns. I hate confrontations with folks like that, would rather just use it as a learning experience and find someone more respectable/reputable.

Why not? The insult wouldn't do any damage. It's just a couple of words for Christ's sake. It's just a little disrespect.

Sure they did. They looked at the car and thought it would be fun to disrespect the owner. It's not really any different from the camera capturing them calling the guy an idiot behind his back.

Do you think they would have bounced it off the rev limiter in front of the customer? Somehow I doubt it. I wonder why. Could it be that they would know that kind of behavior would be considered disrespectful to the customer?

In all seriousness, if it bothers the OP, he should casually mention it to the owner, something like "hey so I saw you guys revving it and bouncing it off the limiter, you probably shouldn't do that". If the owner replies "shit man, sorry, you're right, we're just car guys and get excited, won't happen again" then it's all good. If it's some snarky reply, or any indication that the owner is failing to understand why this is important to the OP, proceed with the negative google review and don't go there. The business lost will be ample punishment I think.

This ^ This is all it needs to be.
Pack up the lynch mob and go home.


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NO, not an over reaction. A measured response to the way the business owner treated a customer's car.
It doesn't matter if it was a couple of revs or some other mistreatment. It was not his car. He should treat it and his customer with respect.
I have had personal experience with a$$hats that have cost me time and money because of similar "I don't give a crap, it's not mine" attitudes. For example:
I had taken my car in for service. After I picked it up I noticed it didn't run as good. A week later I pulled the plugs and three where fouled badly. I also noticed it was down on oil. I kept records and found that it was now using/burning a lot of oil. Every time I'd put my foot into it there were puffs of blue smoke. I took it back to have this problem looked into. I was told that the motor was about gone and I'd have to pay for an engine rebuild. The car was under warranty so I tried to get GM to cover it. While I waited a couple of days for the GM service rep to make a decision I heard a story. It appears that mechanics at a GM dealer were using customer's cars for running around and would drag race one another. One of the cars fit the description of my car. The story placed this around the time I had my car in for that first service. It turned out that my engine problem was caused by one of those mechanics missing a shift while racing my car. It had nothing to do with me. There was an investigation and GM came good for the engine which was done at another dealership. Oh and that first dealer ended up losing their GM franchise.
I stand up for my rights and I encourage others to do the same.

Super disrespectful and at least as unprofessional. I wouldn't make a big thing out of it, but I wouldn't go back either *shrug*.

Hell, I don't hand my keys over to just anybody anymore... I've got my local shop, the dealership, and that's about it (I'm not really into mods, mind you). People don't know how to drive stick "these days", and a good few times I've heard undercoating etc guys revving the shit out of my car and burning the clutch just trying to get it on the damn lift. One time I went over to the counter and offered to drive it on myself, because I was about to chew a hole in my fucking cheek!

Best answer so far. Modern cars warm up pretty efficiently so there was probably no harm done. It's also in Ontario though so I guess you guys are like in the 30-40 F amp. temp. range right now.
In FL where we are like in the 70s currently, I wouldn't have really dwelt on it much. Doesn't it take like 20+ minutes to get to operating temp in that cold though?

If the guy is apologetic, then let it slide but still let what happened reflect in a review but if he shrugs it off, let him have it.

But... @Stephen W. made a good point though. Later down the line if some issues come up with the engine it will always be that thought this incident this caused it or just exacerbated it greatly.
This went through my mind when I bought mine with 3.9k miles on the odometer but it was a risk I knew of. That's why this is a rotten situation, it's just some jerkhole doing it and not the previous
or current owner who had/has the right to do so.

@Tcoat also brings up a good point with his Stretch Armstrong gif. That would make a simple fun gift for Christmas and it's cheap too: https://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Smalle.../dp/B01D1WKCVU

Chances of damage? No.

Publicly shame them on social media so they offer a full refund? Yes.


To everyone saying "no big deal", stay beta.

millennial here.

mechanically it's no big deal. the motor will be be fine.

customer-service-wise, it's a respect issue. it boils down to 'if he doesn't respect others enough to treat their property nice, does he respect his job enough to do a good job?'

the only way to determine that is to talk to the guy.

Oh come on now. All the other highly intelligent and rational responses have convinced me that this is wrong.
Obviously the car has been totally destroyed. They are made of glass and two high revs when only 85% warmed up spell doom. The least they should do is ship it back to Japan for a full tear down and engineering review to determine the level of damage. The shop could also just buy a brand new car to replace it since god knows that it would never have had the engine revved while cold during the transportation process.
The lack of respect by the shop needs Imeadiate and extreme action from the internet. Simply talking to the guy and expressing your concern is such and old fashioned Boomer thing that the whole concept is out dated and is what has ruined the world. Those two revs were such an insult that it is easily the equivalent of spitting in the OP's face while kicking his dog and screwing his wife in front of him. It requires a pound of flesh as reprisal to teach him that messing with such important people will result in extreme retribution. This is the OP's opportunity to get some free shit since he is so totally entitled to it for the slap on the face he received.

<in a Nepoleon Dynamite voice> That's what we are TRYING to do, GAWD!

Revving after 10 mins idle from cold start
 

Ok so if I remember correctly why this thread started, the OP took his car in for ceramic coating right? Nothing engine related, no tuning or engine mods being added. (Even then the car should be properly warmed up before zinging to redline)
Anybody that says they would be ok with a detail shop doing that to your car is lying, or you don’t care about your possessions. Bringing it up with the shop manager seems perfectly acceptable. I mean it’s possible their employee’s foot slipped, or he didn’t realize it’s a manual transmission in Neutral, or he has seizures and leg spasms. AT THE VERY LEAST it shows you took some action. Let the shop manager take it from there, this might not be the first time this dude has done this. Speaking up for yourself, your family, or the things you spend a lot of money on (like your car), is never wrong.
A sort of related story, after we purchased our home I noticed a blue minivan that never seemed to move from its spot on our front street. I asked some neighbors and they all kind of shrugged like “yeah it’s been there a while, what can you do?!” I documented how long it was sitting there without moving, took pictures of the flat tire and the way out of date registration sticker, and contacted the police. That MF’ing van had big orange stickers slapped on it, then it was towed away. And there wasn’t an eye sore on our street.
My moral of the story, speak the f*** up and don’t be afraid to take a stand. And yeah you might have to put a little effort into it. https://media2.giphy.com/media/Mp4hQy51LjY6A/giphy.gif


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To me, someone hopping in my car and redlining it for no reason is like someone slapping my girlfriend's ass.




Boomer.:party0030:

you're absolutely right.



BURN HIS CAR TO TEH GROUND, PEE ON IT, AND SEND THE VIDEO TO HIM IN AN ENVELOPE OF COCAINE THAT YOU REPORT TO THE POLICE.

NOTHING SHORT OF JAIL TIME WILL SATISFY ME

is your girlfriend a news reporter by chance?

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