Trade 17 86 for a new Corolla?
 

I've been hearing on the radio how the Corolla has lots of HP, handles well, makes women want you, and has an 8-inch television in front of your face.

I've yet to hear anything for the 86.

WTF.

I genuinely thought you were GrantedTaken.

All of the above is true. And you can fit more kids in a Corolla. Why would anyone want an 86? The Corolla also has better cup holders and QI charging

I'd say, yeah, trade up my dude.

JFC, I forgot cup-holders. Heading for dealer now.

Ouch.

If this is your idea of drifting, then the Corolla is a viable choice over an 86.

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I actually own a 19' corolla hatchback, bought it for the wife. I think it is pretty fun to scoot about in. I do say after driving it a while it makes me really appreciate my FRS.

The 6 speed transmission is not bad, great for learning to drive manual on. The giant display is annoying. The engine I do like, it is very easy to work on, fairly straight forward, nice power delivery, although a little too quiet and revs up slower than I would like. I guess it is more powerful than previous corollas, but my 6 year old FRS easily feels much faster in terms of acceleration and obviously in another league in any sort of corner.

One crappy thing about the corolla is Im getting about 23-25mpg which Im disappointed with, it is the manual version, and sure I slam through gears and drive it with gusto but still my FRS which I drive similarly maybe a little more spirited I get like 22ish mpg. The engine in the corolla is one of the most thermally efficient engines on the market so I expect it will last a while. It also does all the normal hatchback stuff the wife needs, so not a bad car but no where near as cool as my twin, but also cost a decent amount less. I use it as my grocery fetcher and it is fun to do errands with, and yeah I peel out in that thing and it does put a smile on my face even with FWD, just not as big a smile as the FRS.

i've only ever seen 1 ad for the 86. i think i threw something at my tv when i saw it.

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toyota/subaru finally make a car that handles better than anything else they claim has "great handling", and then they drop the ball advertising it's handling characteristics...

Any flagship model needs no introduction. I don't think I've ever seen a Corvette commercial, besides a billboard that read "We called your wife, she said it's okay."

You're welcome.

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Aussie ads, sorry for poor linky skills.

Toyota 86 goes drifting

Japanese drift legend Keiichi Tsuchiya creates a racetrack in the sand in the Australian outback for Toyota's new 86 TV commercial.

https://youtu.be/7d3We7kvgPM

Basically the twins drift mad......on dirt

Marketing at its best

I had a Corolla loaner recently and didn't like it much. Lots of roadnoise, interior felt cheap, and the steering wheel was oddly canted so that one side was closer to the driver.

If you're going to trade-up for something, at least go with a Civic :D

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Advertising is expensive so it is reserved for appliance cars (or trucks really) where they want to sell them by the millions or top tier luxury cars where they only want to sell a handful and make scads of money off them. The 86/BRZ fall into a sort of marketing no mans land where they really don't want nor need to advertise them. The internet does all their marketing for them so why spend advertising dollars?

You must do a lot of city driving! [emoji848] I was averaging about 37 mpg in my 2019 Corolla. I get about 32 in the FR-S which I’m very happy with. I do a lot of highway driving with stop and go mixed in.

The new Corolla Hatchback is a really nice improvement for the Corolla brand. It handles nicely, has decent power, should be fuel efficient, and rides on a great chassis. The hatch has very small back seats and cargo area unless you fold the seats down. I think the sedan addresses those issues.


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Advertising for the twins has been pretty much non-existent. I guess Toyota and Subaru assume anybody that will buy one already knows about it, so why put advertising dollars towards it. It’s still so weird they haven’t used it to at least show they are capable of making a fun car. But instead they make a mini movie commercial for the new Camry TRD trim. Show off the damn 86!!! [emoji28]


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@JesseG quoting was not working for some reason.

I don't drive that often on the highway and it is mostly around town. I am a spirited driver, so I'm a little more aggressive driver than most. When I did a long trip in the corolla I got pretty good mileage. If I backed off the throttle and went super slow around town I bet I could get pretty good mileage but my area around town has high speed limits and long stretches of roads that go up hill as well as tons of traffic lights so that doesn't help me with the mileage, those factors plus the way I drive = not so great mileage but I think it is worth the extra cost to really enjoy the car how I want.

That makes perfect sense, the smiles are worth the lower fuel economy. [emoji3][emoji106]
My Corolla had the CVT and I found it to be AWESOME for highway cruising, it’s really in its element there. For everything else it kind of sucks.
I think the 86/FR-S can get really good mileage if you want to, especially if you have a 6 speed. It’s always tempting to rev the car out though. I have a fairly long commute and I always try to find an opportunity to let the FR-S play [emoji16]


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And yeah we don’t have hills here, it’s flaaaaat
Honestly the perfect car for north Texas is a Hellcat or Demon. [emoji48]


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The American dream, fat and ugly.

Trade 17 86 for a new Corolla?
 

I just took delivery of a 2019 Corolla hatchback (6MT, XSE). While it definitely isn’t in the same performance league as my old 2015 FR-S, I really am enjoying it for what it is. Handling is nice, engine is peppy, and it is a great looking little car. The tech is quite cool, too. Bonus: I actually get to drive it when my wife and daughter are along. I’m still eyeing an FR-S or Miata for a track car, but the Corolla is legit a great daily driver. My wife thinks 4 cars is excessive. [emoji1787]

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Bring it, mortal [emoji48]
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I'd agree had they not released a flood of Supra tv spots.

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Please don't

^ you're right. blue is nice on these new corollas (reminds me of neptune blue for the 86) but black on white wheels would def be better. or black on black / murdered out would be sick. that front grill is so mean. also i sat in one of these a few weeks back at the dealer, toyota interiors have gotten pretty good recently. based on what everyone says about it being great to drive/good handling, i wouldnt mind having one of these as a daily.

The Supra is a Toyota halo car which (contrary to what people would like to think) the 86 is not. They are not advertising them to try to sell more they are just trying to get people to visit dealerships so they can sell them a nice Camry or Tundra.

This. They are placing more stock on a sporty brand image to make their cars seem more of what's trendy.
Sometimes putting a lemon on a plate of spinach makes it appealing. They know you don't want the lemon, but it makes the spinach more attractive.

Him - "Let's go down and look at the new Supra"
Her - "OK"
Him - (at dealer) - "WOW I want one"
Her - "It is too much money, the dog won't fit and there is no place for the car seat but look at this beautiful Prius over here"

And the Supra is brand new where the 86 is largely unchanged since summer of 2012. There are still people out there unaware the Supra is out. Anyone interested in the 86 won’t be swayed one way or another by TV ads and there are beaucoups of used versions available. There just isn’t much bang for buck advertising for the 86 at this point.


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Can't quote you there Quentin,
Yep. There were a few TV ads when the FRS first came out but mostly it was marketed on the internet. The whole Scion advertising style was predominately web based though so the lack of TV ads was not surprising.

Back in College, around the release of the FR-S, there was an ad posted on every bus that ever came onto the campus grounds. The ad also displayed the recent graduate rebate of 1000$ off... That ad taunted me daily...

I'd say they hit their target audience well enough, considering the amount of young owners and young dreamers of this car.

same here! And those ads is what eventually led to my buying the car

Yep. I HAD to have one.

After doing all kinds of research on it, it only made wanting one into needing one.

Well the number of "young" owners has increased proportionally with the drop in price of the used ones.
If you consider the "young" group to be under 25 years of age then they only account for 3% of the combined new sales. The "old" group of 65 and older more than triples the youngsters. Of course the bulk are someplace in between the two extremes.
I doubt that this has changed much with the 86.
The forum sort of skews the perception of the age groups a bit since as the cars can change hands several times the used buyers greatly outnumber the new ones.
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Ironically enough I had never seen an ad, TV commercial, web ad, or an actual car before I stumbled across mine in the show room. I read something that they were thinking about building them back in 2009 or 10 and that was the last I ever heard. This means I never lusted after one since I had no idea they existed. I literally (in the true meaning of the word) bought the very first Twin I knew existed or ever saw in either real life, print or a screen.

See this graph is interesting because does it equate for parents that buy their children cars, or that have primary ownership of the vehicle (Keyword: Registrations)? I am the exception out of a lot of people that I know that has actually owned(owns) a new car in my own name, everyone uses their parents car or was given a car by their parents. Could also just be the people I know and have met?

Most definitely though any, or at the very least, most owners I've seen in person is of the age of 20 - 35~; there are always exceptions of course.

I remember this story, and think it's crazy. Among the post secondary young people, a lot of them seemed to know what they were. It's almost as if they relied on those people sitting in the bus loop to generate hype (which is a down right silly thought).

@Tcoat story is the same as mine, except with the '85 MR2. I went to the Toyota dealership to buy an SR5 p4x4 pickup, saw the MR2 on a vehicle carrier getting ready to be offloaded, and basically bought it on the spot. It was the first one the dealership had received, so was in the first shipload to make it to the US. Before that day I had never seen it, heard of it, or even knew it existed.