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Pouria 10-14-2019 09:59 AM

Help 2jz swap M/T in Toyota 86 A/T
 
hey guys
I apologize if I didn't ask my question in the right place
i have a question about 2jz swap :search:
i have 2017 toyota 86 A/T
and i wanna swap to 2JZ Manual Trans
just i wanted to know what the problems would be in this swap
How's that?and how to ?
thanks guys

Greenbean 10-14-2019 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pouria (Post 3266706)
hey guys
I apologize if I didn't ask my question in the right place
i have a question about 2jz swap :search:
i have 2017 toyota 86 A/T
and i wanna swap to 2JZ Manual Trans
just i wanted to know what the problems would be in this swap
How's that?and how to ?
thanks guys

whats your budget? for the most part 30-35k is basically bare minimum.

Pouria 10-14-2019 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenbean (Post 3266720)
whats your budget? for the most part 30-35k is basically bare minimum.

thanks
but it's not about budget,
it's about the problems and how to solve them
because my car is an A/T and i wanna swap 2jz M/T
please guys help me and explain how to do this

DarkPira7e 10-14-2019 07:14 PM

If you even remotely understood the implication or context of your own inquiry you wouldn't be asking.

wparsons 10-15-2019 06:11 PM

Are you doing the swap yourself, or paying a shop? If you're paying a shop, you should be asking them. If you're doing it yourself, good luck, this will be one of the easier parts of the swap.

WORKS 10-15-2019 06:45 PM

There is going to be a lot of issues you're going to have to deal with. For the clutch system, you will need a new pedal assembly with clutch pedal. Then you will have to mount a clutch master cylinder and reservoir. After you've got that going it is going to be a fun project making a drive by wire system work. I'm not even sure how this would be accomplished. It may be easier to completely switch to a Tilton pedal setup as that would solve both of these issues so far. Of course, you will need a custom drive shaft and probably make a shifter cut out. Then there is the wiring. Thats going to be scary. I wouldnt even know how to begin with that. Getting diagrams for both engine and chassis would be a good start. Have highlighters and pens ready and get to matching wires. It is going to be a lot of hard work and even more money. Good luck with it all.

86TOYO2k17 10-15-2019 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pouria (Post 3266833)
thanks
but it's not about budget,
it's about the problems and how to solve them
because my car is an A/T and i wanna swap 2jz M/T
please guys help me and explain how to do this

Step 1. Sell car
Step 2. Buy M/T Supra
Swap complete.

On a serious note. The A/T to M/T conversion is the least of your concerns, since you will be buying a new trans, drivetrain, etc... already regardless. But the swap itself is a lot of work. So much so that the need to ask this question probably takes you out of the very very few individuals in this world where a swap like this makes sense.

Built FA20 shortblocks are pretty cheap if you can DIY everything yourself besides a tune you can be at a fun safe reliable 450whp for around $15k. If you want a M/T trade your car in for one. Or you can build the AT to handle 400ft lbs with clutch pack, valve body, torque converter for $3-4k more.

Pouria 10-16-2019 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17 (Post 3267165)
Step 1. Sell car
Step 2. Buy M/T Supra
Swap complete.

On a serious note. The A/T to M/T conversion is the least of your concerns, since you will be buying a new trans, drivetrain, etc... already regardless. But the swap itself is a lot of work. So much so that the need to ask this question probably takes you out of the very very few individuals in this world where a swap like this makes sense.

Built FA20 shortblocks are pretty cheap if you can DIY everything yourself besides a tune you can be at a fun safe reliable 450whp for around $15k. If you want a M/T trade your car in for one. Or you can build the AT to handle 400ft lbs with clutch pack, valve body, torque converter for $3-4k more.

Thank you for your information:cheers:
If I could buy M/T car, I'd buy it. But there are problems that make this impossible for me.
I know one Tuning Group doing this for a few other 86. But they were M/T
If I want to do it, I'll get help from them
btw thanks for your help

Quote:

Originally Posted by WORKS (Post 3267151)
There is going to be a lot of issues you're going to have to deal with. For the clutch system, you will need a new pedal assembly with clutch pedal. Then you will have to mount a clutch master cylinder and reservoir. After you've got that going it is going to be a fun project making a drive by wire system work. I'm not even sure how this would be accomplished. It may be easier to completely switch to a Tilton pedal setup as that would solve both of these issues so far. Of course, you will need a custom drive shaft and probably make a shifter cut out. Then there is the wiring. Thats going to be scary. I wouldnt even know how to begin with that. Getting diagrams for both engine and chassis would be a good start. Have highlighters and pens ready and get to matching wires. It is going to be a lot of hard work and even more money. Good luck with it all.

thanks a lot for sharing the info
yeah i know it's huge and needs hard and hard work and of course money
but i didn't do anything yet... I just started gathering info and experience
thanks:cheers:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 3267142)
Are you doing the swap yourself, or paying a shop? If you're paying a shop, you should be asking them. If you're doing it yourself, good luck, this will be one of the easier parts of the swap.

This is going to be done by myself and my friends (Tuning Group or shop)
thanks

Tcoat 10-16-2019 08:26 AM

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Lantanafrs2 10-16-2019 10:36 AM

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Greenbean 10-16-2019 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pouria (Post 3267328)
Thank you for your information:cheers:
If I could buy M/T car, I'd buy it. But there are problems that make this impossible for me.
I know one Tuning Group doing this for a few other 86. But they were M/T
If I want to do it, I'll get help from them
btw thanks for your help



thanks a lot for sharing the info
yeah i know it's huge and needs hard and hard work and of course money
but i didn't do anything yet... I just started gathering info and experience
thanks:cheers:



This is going to be done by myself and my friends (Tuning Group or shop)
thanks

as most people said, A/T to M/T should be the least of your worries i feel like you have no idea what you will be getting yourself into.

Tcoat 10-16-2019 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 (Post 3267353)
Troll thread

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86TOYO2k17 10-16-2019 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3267360)

Wait...
he says he has a manual in that thread, but auto in this? :confused0068:

86TOYO2k17 10-16-2019 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pouria (Post 3267328)
Thank you for your information:cheers:
If I could buy M/T car, I'd buy it. But there are problems that make this impossible for me.

I am not sure i follow.
What would limit you from trading in and/or selling your 86 to buy a different one with a M/T already in it? New and or lightly used BRZ/86 M/Ts are all over the place.

Leonardo 10-16-2019 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3267338)

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NWFRS 10-16-2019 11:49 AM

Even if I had a year of leisure and a fully equipped shop I wouldn't attempt it. I've been a metal fabricator, machinist, Tig, MiG, robotic weld-cell technician, finisher, fixture-builder, electrical assembler and theory, layout, hydraulics, pneumatics, R&D, etc, for the last seventeen years. The longer I'm in the industry the more aware I become of the potential technical challenges and expense. I might have phrased your question the same way fifteen years ago when I was full of optimism. Having been down that road before my advice is don't do it. Move forward with your career, make bank, and pay for someone else's project when you find one you like. The kind of project you're proposing will suck the life out of you if you're here asking that kind of question.

Tcoat 10-16-2019 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 3267377)
Even if I had a year of leisure and a fully equipped shop I wouldn't attempt it. I've been a metal fabricator, machinist, Tig, MiG, robotic weld-cell technician, finisher, fixture-builder, electrical assembler and theory, layout, hydraulics, pneumatics, R&D, etc, for the last seventeen years. The longer I'm in the industry the more aware I become of the potential technical challenges and expense. I might have phrased your question the same way fifteen years ago when I was full of optimism. Having been down that road before my advice is don't do it. Move forward with your career, make bank, and pay for someone else's project when you find one you like. The kind of project you're proposing will suck the life out of you if you're here asking that kind of question.

There are thousands of these "easy" swap projects for just about any car imaginable sitting behind garages covered with tarps for every completed one.


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