Epic Slapped With Lawsuit For Making Fortnite Addicting
 

*sigh*
https://hothardware.com/news/fortnit...-too-addictive
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...fortnite-game/

hell hath no fury like that of a middle aged stay at home suburban house wife!

i remember a time where when kids used something that their parents didn't approve of, the parents would take that thing away, instead of suing the company for making that thing...

Lmao well guess they don't have many worries in their lives.

Untitled Goose Game

Honk

*Walkietalkie Honk*

Yes let’s blame anything and anybody but ourselves and our bad parenting skills. Makes sense

That's laughable and sad. Not only is it a misconstruing of the biology (everything that makes you feel good/rewards you triggers a dopaminergic response, ultimately creating good or bad habits, shit's more or less indiscriminate), but misses the actual problems with the fact it's a shitty business model. At least the EU was correctly focusing on the fact that these platforms serve as virtual gambling which entails actual repercussions.

There's a point to be made about game design deliberately being designed to addict, being a low investment high reward skinner box, but throwing around shitty science and centering it around kids is just moronic.

i think i need an explainer for your post...

are you talking about the loot box stuff? i vaguely remember something about the people wanting to get rid of those because of the gambling aspect. i hate loot boxes though, hated the idea since i first ran into it.


if any digital game/place is cutting into reality so much that people want to sue the creator, it's more a sign of people's level of personal accountability. and while it doesn't surprise me any more, it doesn't make it any better.

of all the things we need more of in this world, more laws, and more litigation aren't it.


that's enough internet for now, i'm going to go enjoy this nice 60 degree day and wash the cars!

Karen? Is that you?

Oh, you put a waaaay lot of thought into that post - :thumbsup:


humfrz

Fortnite and all these "free to play" games are specifically designed to be addicting. Young brains are targeted. I can see it in my son. It's why his laptop is currently locked away.

So...
1. Games ARE addicting.
2. That's what good parenting is for.

Also I was once a full-time, paid video game reviewer, so I have a little perspective. I started gaming at home with the INTV.

Came back recently from a chilly afternoon drive myself!

I'm not good at making this short and simple, but this is a topic that brings in multiple subjects that involves hard science with a lot of legal shit, and much of the stuff I'm talking about isn't mutually exclusive to one side or another. I'll break it down piece by piece.

Basically: the science stated in the article (and presumably the legal foundation for this lawsuit) is incorrect and flawed. It's not terribly complex but I think it'd be best if we didn't go into it for the sake of simplicity.

I used the example of how some EU nations enacted regulations regarding gambling/lootboxes in games actually resulted in improvements for consumers. I suggested that this improvement was the result of the legislation focusing on tangible things (AKA, money and how lootboxes are essentially gambling), things easily regulated and defined. This was an example of a GOOD usage of legislation and laws.

I argued in contrast that, this lawsuit of kids and addiction is focused on something intangible and cannot easily be regulated. Even if they lose, it might give these companies free reign to continue their bad business practices due to legal precedent. It would be a BAD usage of legislation and laws.

I conceded that most games are naturally addicting and to some, CAN be a serious problem. However, the problem stems from the industry monetizing addiction (the act of buying/paying for shit in games is addicting to the people who support these games). Because it makes them so much money, they subsequently design the games around this monetization scheme which negatively impacts the game for every consumer, paying or not. Everyone loses in this regard.

Therefore, this lawsuit is focused on the wrong issues of the games industry (the symptom not the cause), using incorrect sensationalized, misinterpretted science, and would accomplish absolutely nothing or actively harm the industry and consumer base.

Ultimately IMO, behavioral stuff like this is solved with parenting 95% of the time, or with additional help from qualified people. There's no need to be chasing lawyers for this crap, and the wrong usage of science is especially egregious to me (I've done research in the past regarding this.) The industry (especially large publishers) deserve to be called out on all of these issues, but this is the wrong way.

Wow talk about bad parents. Nothing worse than bad parents with money.
How retarded are those people that can't set a limit on kids games.

nicely said. i've been trying to write something similar, but it kept coming off as less intelligent and whiny, so i gave up.

the part that bothers me the most lately about everything is a reliance on legislation and government to control or restrict products or people from specific actions instead of staying out of it and forcing people to live with the consequences of their own actions.

You have kids?

In Australia if one wants to keep a native lizard one has to get a license to do so. One has to demonstrate that s/he is aware of the necessities of keeping said reptile.


Unfortunately, there is not the same requirements for having children.

though in some cases, referring to certain children as native lizards is an accurate assessment.

Gaming today is sort of dead to me now, gaming's golden age was before the advent of "in-app purchases". Once that Pandora's box was opened, obviously that will always be game designers' top priority. Now there's little incentive to do anything creative or innovative that doesn't revolve around extracting the maximum users' money.

Having said that though, the lawsuit is still ridiculous.

A very weird time to be alive...

I would argue the opposite; there's still a lot of good games that don't rely heavily, or at all, on microtransactions. Cyberpunk 2077 comes to mind.

Still, have to agree that the majority of game publishers nowadays want to sell $60+ games that focus too much on microtransactions and loot boxes that supposedly give a sense of "pride and accomplishment."

If you want to get the game industry on something, get them on this instead of scapegoat topics like violence and "gaming addiction."

I don't give a crap about Fortnite, just came in to say I'm having a blast playing Ghost Recon Breakpoint.
If you like sneaking around and popping heads from hundreds of meters out, this game is for you.

Same, but Borderlands 3

Parents cashing in on lazy parenting. Only in 'merica

Except....anada, with a C

Cyberpunk 2077 isnt even out yet.... guaranteed there will be some type of DLC.

Yep we have morons up here too.. sorry.

I love bearded dragons!

Unless you're an old school recon fan like me... then it's just a run and gun looter shooter:/

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I'm thoroughly enjoying the game too except for one huge issue.



For no apparent reason my computer will reboot without warning. It happens randomly, once on loading, sometimes after a few minutes of play, sometimes after 3 or 4 hours.

If I had to guess I would say it's a psu issue except I'm using a 650 watt unit and as mentioned it happens randomly.

Both my grandsons (17 and 13) played Fortnite for about a month and then just got bored with it so their "addictive" programming doesn't work well for everybody.
They play far more Minecraft and there are no purchases involved. Can't for the life of me figure out what is so fun about it since every time I ask what they are doing the answer is always "planting corn and breeding cows".
Pretty much a farm simulator with bad graphics.
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650w with what components?
Brand/model of PSU?
Age?

Next time it happens take a look at the system logs in event viewer.
Should point you to the culprit.

EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W Modular Power Supply, 80 PLUS GOLD
1 year.


I've gone looking in the event viewer but haven't been apple to find anything.
Admittedly, I don't know what to look for.

What GPU/CPU/RAM/drives do you have.

If there is enough power for the computer, then maybe failing PSU.

Just fr clarification.
In event viewer.
Windows Logs>System

In there, look for errors/critical errors.
Click on them and see if anything in the "general" box points to something like a driver or memory issue.

Given CD Projekt Red's track record and the success of Witcher 3, I have reason to believe it'll be really good.


You're absolutely right, there absolutely will be DLC; however, if we go by how Witcher 3 went, I have reason to believe that 2077's DLC will have enough content to be worth the price. I'd hardly call it a microtransaction at this point, but regardless, it's probably more accurate to say that there are games that don't rely on P2W or a variety of cosmetic microtransactions.

Yeah it doesnt seem to be the heavy microtransaction model. I am still stubborn and hate that stuff is not unlockable with skill and they expect you to spend 200+ to basically get the "full game." FFXV was my most recent gripe because after the DLC it was almost 200 seeing as I got the ultimate version to begin with, then they drop a version that has all DLC included for less. I didnt even purchase the DLC but it's annoying that I missed out on some of the game.

Also fighting games....wtf. you used to have to unlock characters with skill, now you buy them. Their costumes etc.... gtfoh. Modern gaming is just plain greedy. Just sell me the whole thing for 80 bucks and let me unlock everything using skill.

Show them how to breed real cows. :thumbup: