Toyota and Subaru Officially Confirm Second Gen 86! (September 27, 2019)
 

From Toyota today.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../29916271.html

Toyota and Subaru Agree on New Business and Capital Alliance

Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership.

Ever since concluding an agreement on business collaboration in 2005, partnership between Toyota and Subaru has included contract production by Subaru of Toyota vehicles and supply by Toyota of vehicles to Subaru, as well as joint development of the rear-wheel-drive Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ sports car models.

Also, with vast changes enveloping the automotive industry, which is being called on to respond to the new domains of CASE (connected, autonomous/automated, shared, and electric), Toyota and Subaru disclosed in June this year that they have agreed to jointly develop a platform dedicated to battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and to jointly develop a BEV model, both of which will employ Subaru's AWD technologies and Toyota's vehicle electrification technologies.

In this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation, by strengthening their bonds and aligning their capabilities, Toyota and Subaru aim to pursue driving enjoyment in the CASE era and to make ever-better cars beyond what either company has been able to achieve thus far. Furthermore, to deepen their relationship and to strengthen their ties toward advancing to the next stage while respecting the identity of each other's brand, the two companies have agreed that Toyota will increase its equity stake in Subaru and that Subaru will acquire shares in Toyota.

Details of business activities in the new alliance

1. In pursuit of making ever-better cars beyond that achieved thus far by Toyota and Subaru

1) Bringing together both companies' strengths to jointly develop all-wheel-drive models that offer the ultimate sensation in all-wheel driving
2) Joint development of the next-generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ

2. Expansion of the scope of partnership to survive this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation

1) Following the Crosstrek Hybrid*, expanding use of the Toyota Hybrid System in other Subaru models
2) Cooperation in the domain of connected vehicles and technical collaboration in the field of autonomous driving

Commenting on today's agreement, Toyota President Akio Toyoda said: "During this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation, even if CASE changes how cars will be, driving enjoyment will remain an inherent part of automobiles and is something that I think we must continue to strongly preserve. I, myself, am a rallyist, and, through my experience of training hard in an Impreza, I have felt in my veins the wonders of Subaru's AWD technologies. Meanwhile, we at Toyota have been going all out to hone our all-wheel-drive technologies by participating in the World Rally Championship, among other activities. Our companies, both of which have long pursued driving enjoyment, now want to pursue the possibilities of making ever-better cars suitable for the CASE era by bringing together our strengths and by further deepening our relationship."

Subaru President Tomomi Nakamura said: "Between our company and Toyota is an alliance that already has a history of 14 years. During this time, we have deepened our bonds in various fields such as product development, production, and sales, including through personnel exchanges. By taking our relationship one step further and mutually honing our technologies, we will strengthen our ability to respond to CASE and other demands, and will accelerate our shared aspirations for making ever-better cars. This new step in our alliance with Toyota will lead to enhancing 'Enjoyment and Peace of Mind' that Subaru is committed to deliver; and I am confident that our customers will love what we offer through these efforts."

Hey look at that actual confirmation a next gen BRZ/86 is going to be developed, and with Subaru.

Seems like there's going to be joint AWD cars in the future....perhaps a celica all trak revival isn't outside the realm of possibility?

I also wonder if Subaru and Toyota will eventually merge together?

Say whaaaaaat?!!! I will have to get a 2nd gen 86 if they put a flat 6 in it!! Maybe they are just doing a preliminary test to see how the car handles with a 6 cylinder??


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Thank you! REAL news.


Doubt they will merge.


LOL so now do people think they will see a concept car in October?
"Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership."

If they don't merge, perhaps Subaru just eventually becomes another subsidiary of Toyota? Like Daihatsu, Hino and Aisin?

Dopee

I’m working on a project that won’t get publicly announced for 2 years. They didn’t agree on this just today. They publicly announced it today.

Publicly announcing it today means nothing as far as them having been working on it. My current project won’t be announced for 2 years and will SOP a year later.

Great news! Yes, official word on this is a relief. I am skeptical of a Japan debut of a concept car, however, what better way to cement the new relationship than by showing off concepts for future joint projects?

Yes they have been working on it a while. The term they used was "agreed" today. There would of course have been background work going on while they were hashing out their deal but development of a new gen would not have gone very far until that deal was in place. I am not saying they weren't on it simply that the probability of seeing a concept in October is remote. Especially one built on a Toyota platform as the clickbaits were claiming their "insider" told them.

If we see any concepts in October it is more likely to be their AWD BEV.

Scion back from the dead as Subaru. :bellyroll:

I'm getting flashbacks from 10 years ago. It felt just like this when the first ft-86 concept was announced around this time. I feel young again.

Woohoo! I missed all the AWD twin turbo 3.0l flat-6 convertible w/ optional V12 upgrade speculation. Now the cycle can start all over.

My tinfoil hat was getting dusty.

Toyota also upped their stake in Subaru to 20% today.



Color me a little jaded. My car did not get through the recall terribly well. 6 months in the dealership and a complete replacement of everything under the hood except the transmission.

"Toyota and Subaru disclosed in June this year that they have agreed to jointly develop a platform dedicated to battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and to jointly develop a BEV model, both of which will employ Subaru's AWD technologies and Toyota's vehicle electrification technologies."

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh okay

Looking forward to see this new gen 86. Hope they will surprise us in a good way.

Agreed! All the click bait sites that reword the above official release to read as they wish will get dumped into this thread now. I think, and this is only my personal opinion, that it was a mistake to lock the old thread. However, I understand that was not my call to make.
Speaking of the old thread, was that link to the flat six sounding BRZ for real or was it a joke that went over my head? The youtube vid it points to is Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up".

[emoji28][emoji23][emoji1787] and don’t forget “MSRP Starting at $25,000”

How funny would it be to stuff a V12 in the 86?![emoji16] It would probably tip forward like a see saw. And change weight distribution from near 50/50 to 80/20. Still totally worth it.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling

They did. Those of us that actually read the real news would have seen it.
It is the future whether we like it or not.


https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../28377766.html

Yay, forget the zupra!

I didn’t click on the link, that would be cruel to hear ‘Never Gonna Give You Up’ instead of a prototype 86 with a flat 6. [emoji1787]


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But what if it was a prototype REVVING "Never gonna give you up"

Ultimate rickroll that would be.

My problem with electric cars has been lack of charging infrastructure where I live (Canada as a whole really) , uninteresting electric cars (They're either ugly econoboxes, or expensive luxury cars), or just too damned expensive (The go to argument for pro electric owners are "get a tesla it fits all your needs!....sure......if I could afford to spend 60-80,000 right now.....).

But my attention right now with electric cars is the Volkswagen ID Buzz. Good ol Hippie Van just for the cool factor!

Worth it for that V12 lyfe, bruh.

One can only hope. Would be a more sensible option than the MR2.

Anybody under the age of about 40 might as well get used to the idea of electric cars. It is GOING to happen and happen fast. The infrastructure will appear as the demand increases.
Don't believe me? How about Akio Toyoda


https://global.toyota/en/company/mes...tives/details/

Rickroll the Rickroll? Rickroll inception?

finally, real news.

Plus limited range and time to recharge. That's why the coming PHEV's are more realistic for most users at the moment. Expect to see PHEV RAV4 and Camry next year.

Depending on where you live and the traction battery capacity, they'll be eligible for up to $10,000 in direct tax credits for a few years until Toyota hits the US 200K unit BEV/PHEV tax credit limit as the law stands now.

Ok now that would be epic lol [emoji23]
Or maybe a deep fake of Rick Astley cruising in a new 86 singing ‘Never Gonna Give You Up’


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Zero chance. If anything, Toyota wants Subaru to stay viable to deflect charges of running a monopoly, something they've been accused of before that without maneuvering like this could lead to a breakup in Japan. The JV venture with Mazda is another part of that plan.

This is IMO essentially another Subaru bailout dressed up as progress.

What monopoly charges? Never heard of such a thing for them. (Serious question not just doubting)

More about the same:


https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ext-gen-86-brz

From the Tokyo show on 9/24:


Toyota chief engineer Tetsuya Tada said that they want to make “a new 86 that surpasses the Supra. This is what the customer expects”.


https://www.grandtournation.com/cars...z6u4xv2bObui4o


I sure hope they are right...if so it's time to start saving my pennies!

It goes back to the '80's after Toyota announced US production at the former NUMMI plant in Freemont, CA. Japanese unions went apoplectic at the thought of outsourcing production, resulting in civil unrest. Some Japanese politicians not owned by Toyota saw an opening to advance their interests and proposed breaking up Toyota claiming that it was a monopoly.

No he did not say that and they still have to wedge the crappy speculation into the story. Now it is getting a different engine compared to the stories before. Why would Subaru even be involved if what they are saying is true?


"Toyota's lead engineer on the program recently said the development team wants the next 86 to leapfrog the Supra in terms of driving enjoyment, which may seem like a stretch, but it doesn't necessarily imply that it will be faster or otherwise more capable.
What remains to be seen is whether the twins will continue to ride on a modified Subaru platform or migrate to the Toyota New Global Architecture platform. That decision will have implications for the choice of powertrain going into the next-generation car, as a boxer engine (which both cars currently employ) would likely only mate up to a Subaru-derived chassis.
Toyota has access to a longitudinal 4-cylinder, though it has only appeared in turbocharged applications thus far."

Why would they confirm this now if they don’t plan on showing anything in Tokyo next month? Genuinely asking.

Im not against it, I know its coming, and im definitely on board as long as its not my primary car (yet).
But like I said, I want interesting cars.
What is out there right now is pretty much an electrified version of a corolla (Leaf, Volt/bolt), or an electrified version of a BMW (Tesla range) , with a sprinkle of weirdness just to make things interesting....

Those don't really make me WANT them...but the electrified hippie van? sign me up!

Ahhhh. Not only did I miss read what you wrote as it being Subaru that was accused of monopoly (that did baffle me) but I had not heard of the Toyota issue either. If it was the 80s I would not have followed it since I didn't give one single F about Japanese cars at that point.