Has anyone actually seen any test-mules for the next gen cars?
 

The rumor mill says the next gen cars are due in 2021 ish - but I've seen zero evidence of any actual development. Have there been any test mule spottings at various tracks or in different areas? Maybe a next gen car camouflaged as the current gen?

I’d like to hear where you heard 21ish How do you guys do this?

If Toyota makes and announcement they’ll have my attention.

Oh, no I haven’t.

The rumor "mills" are full of shit.

What really is happening is: Someone's cousin who knows someone else, heard someone talking to someone that it will be built on the new global Toyota platform using the new 2.5ltr dynamic force engine mated to the TH-S hybrid system.

Transmission is the 10 speed auto shit.

I could go on, but for sanitys sake, I won't.

I’ve been on here long enough to know that’s a rag mag lol

The equivalent of The Enquirer...:sigh:

There have been so many of these threads, but sadly; we know nothing..

I remember Bestcar or some other publication posting a picture of a BRZ testing at some track within the past year or so. It had different aero and no badges but it could have easily been a Subaru modified “test mule” for a future STI edition or absolutely nothing at all.

We still haven’t seen the new WRX/STI testing as far as I know, either..


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Has anyone actually seen any test-mules for the next gen cars?
 

In 4 more years we’ll be like the Nissan fans waiting for a Z34 successor for the past 72 years...

380Z, 390Z, 400Z? 370ZX?

this just in! next model year is going after bugatti!

Yes. 100% confirmed.

I’ve read 2020 for the WRX and 2021 for the 86/BRZ, probably from the same publication that doesn’t seem to be too popular around here. You’d think the WRX one might have some truth to it as it’s based on the Impreza and the new one has been been out a few years now. I know it’s a stand alone model, but it’s still really a tuned Impreza. Interesting to see if anything comes out of the Tokyo motor show next month.

According to motoring au it will have an automatic and manual transmission at the same time?
https://motoring.pxcrush.net/motorin...pect=fitWithin

Automatic gear buttons reminded me this vehicle:
https://galeri3.uludagsozluk.com/183...iye_195724.jpg

Sweeeeeet

-Upgraded FA20 making 250hp and 185lb/ft of torque with no dip. Redline set to 8000 RPM.
-All niceities so no 'stripped down' interior looking cheap model and includes all the safety sense type stuff.
- (Dual HVAC, steering wheel controls, That's all standard equipment and will cost less than 25,000
-8 speed auto + 6 speed manual
-Weight will remain at around 2700lbs
-will be a four seater but have a back seat delete in higher 'race' spec trims.
-17" standard wheels with 18" upgrades.
-Uses a shrunken TNGA platform used with the Toyota Crown.

you heard it here first folks!!!!


*I can verify the accuracy of these claims. Accurately pulled out of my butt.

LOL!! Lots of funny replies in this thread. [emoji23] It looks like Toyota/Subie will be switching to a MR setup. Sweet!!! [emoji16]

But for serious, I really really really hope there will be a 2nd gen. This car is too damn awesome to end it.


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Has anyone actually seen any test-mules for the next gen cars?
 

I’d be okay with another refresh like in ‘17. If that keeps the car alive, make small revisions all over that add up in the end. Although I doubt they can make that engine pass emissions without a turbo (no chance) or a mild hybrid setup (Tada has mentioned this in interviews in 2012/13).

Again you read speculation not fact. Subaru has not released a single thing about when the WRX/STi will go to the new platform. What we do know at this point is that it will not be the 2020 model as claimed by so many sites.
They are also guess at a new BRZ coming out in 2021. There is not one single OFFICIALY document source that supports that date. Could be but it could also be 2025 for all we really know.

The way it works nowadays, buyers don't care if the car has no platform, as long as they get Apple Carplay, Android Auto with a 12" screen, 16 way adjustable heated and cooled seats with AWD. Manufacturers will figure out by 2020 the best selling "sports car" is your living room attached to wheels and it can go from 0 to 60 in under 4s.

I'm sure they are slowly examining the next gen...throughout the last couple of years while they were running the supra mules at the nurburgring, there were plenty of 86s with manufacturer plates on them. plus toyota just created their own private mini-nurburgring testing course, who knows what is being driven in secrecy over there ^^

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with the current design. I still have people complimenting my car's looks. It has a timeless quality that would be hard to improve upon. I mean, you can stick a bunch of vents on it, or add profile lines, etc. I'm happy with how it looks right now.

https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.ne...ting-brake.jpg

K, here's some stuff for next gen.
-They're still working on design on paper, so highly doubt they're in Mule testing things out.
-A lot of online article claiming next 86 will have FA24. Again, they're still working on the paper, so FA24 isn't only engine option on the table.
-HP increase? Some article claim, it'll have 220 or more hp... I wouldn't hold my breath on it.
-2021 isn't official release date. That's guestimate from online "car-expert" claims and nothing official from Toyota or Subaru.

Lil Off-Topic, but article about how Toyota is working on MR2 with Porsche. That's a false. Tada-san stated "Would be cool to work with Porsche to make new MR2." and nothing about they're working with Porsche to make new MR2.

I think this is going to be it... Forget the idea of a 2 door coupe from Subaru...

With some real headlights added I would buy that in a heartbeat!

I would consider it too.. my wife thinks it looks like a Merc.... It looks like it's carrying some serious bhp..

To all the disbelievers


https://media.tenor.com/images/7c330...14e2416dea/raw


The car sites make money by clicks. If they can get people to click by writing fiction they will write fiction. It has already been proven that much of the "insider" info on the original FT86 concept came from this very forum and was speculation and rumour presented as facts. Those "insider" facts were very very wrong. It doesn't matter who they claimed said what since they will take sentence out of context and twist them around until they get what they think people will want to hear. Once one site makes something up the rest will run with it since they want clicks as well. Sure in the scheme of things it isn't a big deal but people believe this stuff and make decisions based upon it even when their data is all false.

Probably a render with zero HP

So do the twins...

I'm guilty of stirring the rumor pot any time I stumble across sites speculating or even "confirming" a next gen car. But I like the platform and I like to dream.

October 24th the Tokyo Motor Show kicks off and what shows up and doesn't show up will answer a lot of questions.

Now I'm going to wait 5 minutes and go read about rumors of what might appear in Tokyo next month based on this thread. :bonk:

Yeah you’re right, I read it somewhere and it’s pure speculation. BRZ/86 no idea or gut feel as to when the next gen of that one will come out. IMO/gut feel, I think the WRX might next year as the current shape Impreza came out in 2016 and next year will be the 7th year of the model cycle.

Disclaimer: Just my opinion with no basis of fact, just past history and where its donor car is in the model cycle.

Impreza came out in 16 as a 17 model. My wife has one of the very first ones. I am very interested in seeing how the WRX/STi will be transformed by this new platform. Her Impreza is... well impressive. The model cycle for Subaru is sporadic at best so trying to watch trends is complicated. The WRX/STi dropped the pretext of being Imprezas years ago and Subaru has officially said they will be stand alone products in the future (even though they may share many parts bin parts). This of course means that whatever stage the Impreza is in means nothing for the WRX/STi. AlthoughI do agree we will see something next year it may not be a 2021 model year car.

Yeah I like the look of the new Imprezas and with the WRX kit on it, I think it will be one of the best looking ones to come out since the first gen (here’s hoping they don’t stuff it up). How does the Impreza handle with the new SGP? Do you think it will translate well to the new Rex?

Should be wonderful. Hers is the sport so has the torque vectoring and better suspension so if they up that it should be excellent. It is a larger car than the older ones of course but they managed to not make it feel bloated.

I disliked my 15 so much I sold it and got a 86

The 86 is a much more enjoyable car IMO

The STI reminded me of a Kia or Hyundai every time I looked at it

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/03/...-brz-86-tokyo/

More rumors. I don’t know what to think until the show happens.


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Geez, they look pretty good in “stock” Impreza form. It should look pretty cool in WRX form.:w00t:

There "unnamed" insider stated that is easier to use the Toyota platform for RWD than AWD.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but a AWD platform is already set up to turn its back wheels, isn't the new Toyota platform they keep talking about a FWD base?

Unless the plan is to put the seats in backwards and make it rear engine, RWD with rear wheel steer, sort of like a fork lift?????

"°:°"

Was it really that bad? Just curious as I always thought it’d be cool to own one, one day.

it will be when they put a useful engine in it, not the hunk of crap they made for the USA that stinks.

It looked like every other 4 door Hyundai or Kia, except for the big wing, stock it wasn't quick at all, tuned to 300hp and it was average, handling was average, it weighted about 1550kg, wet weather traction was its only high point really.

On the other hand, my 86 looks great, with some tyres, coilovers and camber solutions the 86 is way more fun to drive, even with just a Ecutek tune.

But, as I type this, the 86 is in the shop getting a AVO turbo kit installed, it didn't really need it, but meh, it seemed like a fun thing to do.

So, in the end, I can have a 86 that handles better than a STI, is quicker than a STI, looks 100 x better than a STI and still cost less than an STI (even after the mods and turbo).

Only downside is the Mrs preferred the STI because it was a 4 door and not as low as the 86 to get in and out of, again, meh.

I agree for the most part. Sold my 86 for a 16 WRX and have pretty much missed the 86 ever since. But, at the same time the WRX with a tune and downpipe is plenty fun enough for DD driving and was certainly way cheaper than it would have been to purchase and Turbo the FRS. Not to mention it hooks way better than the FRS ever would have with the same power. Also, I like being able to still drive it in the winter, while I drove my FRS with winter tires, not sure it would have done so well with a turbo added to it unless it was big enough to stay out of boost. With that said I'll be selling the WRX to get a new C8 soon anyways.

Toyota DOES have a RWD version of the TNGA.
The Lexus models exclusively use the luxury variant (TNGA -L variant) , while the lone Toyota using RWD TNGA is the jap only Crown (I think it might be a derivative of the L version, but I don't think its the same L version used in the lexus cars). The Crown isn't a small car though, but TNGA should be scalable....I mean that was the whole purpose of TNGA wasn't it? Streamline the shared components and make them scalable to fit the market segments? Its the only thing that really makes sense if Toyota was to use TNGA for a next gen 86.