Looking at a Miata after the FR-S
 

I'm in the market for a new car, after my FR-S was flooded. While another FR-S/BRZ/86 is a possibility, it looks like I would likely have to get one with far more miles than mine had (6,100 when purchased, 9,800 when totaled, MY 2015), and possibly pay more to boot (paid $20K for mine). That feels like adding insult to injury.

The problem though is that I'm really picky about cars, and the FR-S was the only car on my short list last time. So the big question was, is there any other car out there that can thrill me for around the same price? I rushed out to test drive a Miata, because I was just looking for a quick yes or no on this question.

While I've heard great things about the Miata, I was still concerned because I've always heard you have to get it with a stick, which I have strong reservations about. My friend showed me how to drive a stick one day. And while I didn't want to go back to my automatic afterwards, I was far from fully confident with a stick, didn't try hills or traffic, didn't know about rev matching, and certainly didn't try heel toeing. And it was 15 years ago.

Anyway, I got into a 2019 Miata Grand Touring automatic, and my god, it was a blast to drive! Forgive me for saying this, but it was more fun than the FR-S. The FR-S is a super cool car, but it's only particularly fun above 5,000 RPMs or when taking turns too fast. The Miata is fun at all times.

Speaking just for myself, I feel that the auto FR-S has to be driven in manual mode, otherwise there's not much point of having that car. But I didn't get that feeling at all with the Miata. I kept it in D and while I sure noticed the peppy engine, I wasn't really thinking about the revs, but was focused on the handling and the open roof. I tried the paddle shifters briefly and they don't seem nearly as good as the ones on the FR-S, but I don't know if I would even use them. I'm still not ruling out the possibility of getting a manual, but the automatic is terrific.

While the Miata is my top choice right now, I had never considered one before. One reason was I don't find it much to look at, but that's less important to me now. I guess I got it out of my system, having owned a beautiful FR-S. Another reason was the price. While certainly affordable, it's a go-kart and I was expecting go-kart pricing, not for it to cost as much as a car.

Another reason is the attached, from the 2018 Consumer Reports auto issue. Please explain the poor reliability rating, as I always hear people saying it has great reliability. In the 2019 auto issue, it got a single green up arrow for reliability. Did something just go wrong in 2018?

The answer is always Miata.
If you love the roadster set up and don't need to carry people or luggage it's a no brainer.
While I find the idea of an auto tranny sport car is a joke, but eh to each their own.

As far as other cars to consider, your budget is something around $20k? A sport car obviously right?

But really you can't go wrong with a Miata.

I tried to look up issues with the '18 Miata the only thing that popped up is the auto tranny shift points.(sudden down shifting or laggy shifting) Pretty much just buy a manual and you avoid that issue is what every reviewer says.

If i were going to get a 2 seater, I'd probably go for a Cayman, Boxster, or Corvette. The Miata is a relatively boring car. New Corvettes can be had for under 50k, I hear. Used ones are much less. Cayman and Boxster are a lot of fun.

Plus I don't fit in a Miata.

Sports car, yes, under a broad definition of "sports car." For another FR-S my budget would be $20K, as I wouldn't want to replace my car with a more expensive, higher mileage version of itself. For other cars though I'd say I could go up to $25 or $30K for new or gently used.

I might get a Cayman or Boxster later in life, but I'm looking for entry level right now. I used to really like Corvettes but for some reason they don't seem as appealing to me anymore, and they have all kinds of problems.

There are a couple of used options that rarely get mentioned here because of a few subjective reasons but may suit your needs and price point.


Genesis coupe - Forget that it is a Hyundai and all the past issues that would mean. The last 10 years have changed all that and it is a more than capable coupe. Not a bad choice if you want to keep rear seats.


370Z - They haven't updated them much over the years but again a very capable car if you can get over those ugly ass door handles.


A last gen Mustang or Camaro in any of the engine configurations. The most recent versions (especially the 4 and 6s)are starting to be closer to sports cars than muscle cars. Down side is of course they are everywhere you look.

Assuming you fit. It really is the gold standard for "affordable, reliable, light convertible".

In fact, I've been looking around and there isn't another car that exists similar to an old miata in the last 30 years. Which frustrates me, since my knees hit the steering wheel, shoulder hits the door card and helmet would stick up well above the "roof". I've decided a 986-987 boxter is about as close as I'll be able to get, although they're quite a bit heavier, and a good one is about 4x as much money, hah.

If you fit comfortably though... I don't know many people who have regretted a Miata.

I went from 911 Turbo to Miata to FRS. The Miata just didn't grab me for many reasons. FRS ticked all the boxes for what I was after.

I too considered a Miata but can't get over the image.. cute girl's car or in the UK, they call it a hair stylist's car. Agree that its fun to drive. The open top and small size exaggerates the sensation of speed. Talked to most of my friends and they said they refuse to sit in the car with me.

Yeah if you can live with the small size then by all means the Miata.


I'm using my BRZ as a fun commuter, but when I went to look at the Miata RF the trunk space and the size of the car in general was a joke to me. the trunk is basically enough for a large backpack from what I saw.

You might want to consider a Fiat Spider 124. Built by Mazda on the Miata chassis, but with a turbocharged Fiat engine. Personally I like the looks of the Fiat better than the Miata, and the trunk is just a tad bit bigger. Now, that being said, there is the quite real possibility of reliability issues with the engine. Also, the Fiat dealers might not be as savvy towards the car's maintenance. I think you will find the Fiat drives a lot like the Miata. The top works the same. Finally, the price of the Fiat should be lower than the Miata. Boy, I think I pretty much talked you out of the Fiat! Anyway, it's another option for you. Thanks for putting up with this worthless post....

Kia Stinger?

I was about to take exception to this statement, but I checked and it's true. Weird!

I would highly recommend just getting it in a manual. It's not that hard to pick up and the learning and improving process is actually a lot of fun. I have taught a number of people to drive manuals and every one of them have become proficient for basic traffic within the first day.


As for the miata itself, I am like the guy who posted that guy with a bag over his head driving one. Not sure that I could personally handle the image issue, but if you are good with that it is a really great car. I put the corvette in that same bag over head category, just on the other end of the spectrum. To be fair though, the new miata looks a lot more masculine and there is a chance it will shake the 'hairdresser' car image with the newer generation. It's mostly just old guys (like me) who think of a miata as the cutesy pop up headlight 1st gen from the 90s.

I have never been 'attracted' to the Miata, I just think they are too "generic" and "bland" in design like a rolling bath tub, but the 124 I could live with as it has more character, particularly in the Abarth clothing...

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Not the pop up headlights that ever bugged me. It is that damned happy face grill that Mazda loved so much for so long.


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Well, if you are interested in a roadster, you can't do much better than a MX5.

mrs humfrz and I toured for 8 years and 88,000 miles in our 2006 MX5 before we got our FR-S.

As far as the car, what you see and feel is what you get. Yes, packing for long trips does take some adjusting to. However, we (in our late 60s) could carry enough stuff to allow us to tour for two weeks at a time.

It's surprising how much crap we think we need to take on vacation. Simple solution - custom fit luggage: Here ya go, sweet pea, pick three out of the five bags, when they are full, that's all you get to take. And then you know they will fit in the car - :thumbsup:


humfrz

I definitely prefer the 'look' of the flat, but have you driven one? I test drove these twice (new). On the first one, the engine seemed to be having some weird issues, bogging and such. This didn't happen on the second one, but both test drives the car smelled strongly of burning plastic afterwards. I know sometimes there are coatings on engines that make them smell when new, but this didn't smell like that.... Smelled like the turbo charged flat engine would be a nightmare.

That is Chris Harris.




Guys tracking the early ND's had transmission issues.

No, I haven't driven one. I looked at them, but by the time I get it configured the way I would by it, it's close to $40K. There's other cars (new/used) I'd rather have for that type of money.

Here ya go, Pops - :D

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humfrz

Nah, my Grandmother drove a Buick. I favor my Grandfather's choices. He drove a Cadillac, when he wasn't driving his pickup.


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Well, OK - as long as it has 4 doors, has an AT and is white - :thumbsup:


humfrz

For some reason, seniors seem to be the exception to this Miata image problem. If you are over 60 with grey hair, it just seems to be ok driving a Miata because people figure you are a retired oldie and you just want a car that's more laid back. At least that's my personal opinion.

Yep, gray hair, suspenders, cap and a sweater vest, to top off the image - :thumbsup:


humfrz

I would also suggest you take a look at used s2000s.

Miatas I think are cool. The idea of the drop top intrigues me. However the driving style is different, if you like how the twins have that tail out, keep pushing character. The Miata has a different character, one that doesn't push you to drive as aggressive, and instead be more laid back. The suspension doesn't have the on rails feeling the twins have and it is not as tail happy.

Also a diff is not standard on all Miatas, so if you get one make sure it has the diff and ideally the club suspension package or something similar to fix that rolley-polley feel. Also don't think for one second this car will be practical in any way other than good mileage. Your not going to costco with this thing.

Anyone who thinks Miata has an image problem or is a hairdresser's car has no right calling themselves an enthusiast. On any given weekend, there are more Miatas at racetracks than any other vehicle, by a wide margin.

They are superbly engineered no-compromise sports cars (and not parts bin specials like the BRZ/FR-S)

The previous generation cars didnt look that great but the current generation looks stunning, especially in that deep red color.

And the cherry on top? The 2019s are significantly faster than the BRZ/FR-S.



If I fit, Id have one instead of a BRZ. Hell I still may buy a 2019 when the prices come down in a few years.

Let's not forget Mrs Hum


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"diff" - ??

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humfrz

If that was mrs humfrz, we would never have gotten out of the motel room - :drool:


humfrz

Sure you would.


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Beat me to it!

Still "happy" on the trolley....

This photo sums up our lovely country lanes and the wildlife therein...

An 'image' problem has nothing do with the realities of the car, it is just the perception of the car. This is why I say it is a GREAT car, just not the best image. You can make an argument that someone who wouldn't drive one because of the image isn't an enthusiast, but you can't say acknowledging that image exists makes a person not an enthusiast. Really though, I would say it just makes a person not a purist or not fanatical. I have raced cars for 20 years and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if I wasn't enthusiastic about it, but there are some things beyond driving enthusiasm that impact my automotive purchase decisions including image - i'm human.

I guess your definition of "no-compromise" and "parts bin specials" is different than mine.

I'm not saying the Miata isn't a good car in its own right (I wouldn't own one, but there are a lot of good cars I wouldn't own), but they certainly aren't "no compromise" cars.

limited slip differential, which comes stock on the twins but is not stock on the MX5, you have to get the next trim up, the sport or club pack or whatever, I don't think it is worth it to get a MX5 unless it has the LSD (diff) or you plan on putting one in.

One would think it comes standard on a car like that but no it in fact does not.

-Convertible top is a compromise

-In the MX5 stock form you do not get an LSD, compromise performance for price

-Cup holders in the way of shifting... compromise

The MX5 is not a no compromise hardcore sports car, it is a cheap entry level sports car in the exact same tier as the twins. Just because the MX5 has no practicality does not equal no compromise. Both cars have compromises and both cars are not designed to be track monster sports cars. They both are not even that fast, they are both fun to drive entry level sports cars and that is what they are designed for.