FactionFab Twin Muffler Titanium Catback, any experiences or reviews m
 

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/fact...l#.XQujc2QpCh-

Saw it on their YouTube video, and the fact that it's 17lbs has me sold!

Of course, not even close to owning a BRZ yet, so more studying, asking and observing at this point.

Thanks in advance,

Rogue

Just looking at that price i can tell you its not worth it. Sure its titanium and thats probably why the price is high, but catbacks hardly gain you much power on this platform. Its better to spend that money on a quality header and tune and go from there...

Oh, I know from experience that Catback's are more aesthetics and weight savings, but I'd get it for the latter, as well as a CF drive shaft (hear there's less issues with it than Aluminum)

It'd be one of the last mods I'd do, but again, solely for the light weight

What most catbacks are for - for specific sound/aural pleasure. Slight performance increase/slight weight savings/a bit better looks .. that all is secondary (unless purpose built racecar). After all, for most, if result will sound s**t, if it will drone bad, if unbearably loud or much too quiet, if unpleasant note, one will much more probably think of switching it out to something else imho. Even if one to switch to will weight extra 10lbs, even if tips will be of less good looking finish, even if one that was not to liking provided extra 2-3whp.
And i have doubts if many very light titanium catbacks are also very good at that primary function and are not droning queens.

Also interested in hearing some sound clips

if you care that much about weight just get a tomei t60s... its a single exit full titanium and it weighs 14lbs. The t60r (with less muffler) is only 10 lbs. they're bothe $500 less than this

Oh God... Didn't think about the drone, my Audi is terrible at cruising speeds (75-80)

[ame="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HHj3NrD2T_4"]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HHj3NrD2T_4[/ame]

10.85lbs and sounds nice without drone:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8ny7Y0R4J8[/ame]

mav1178: from setup description: "Factory header/overpipe, factory front pipe..". Will it sound same with no drone if paired with eg. catless header and aftermarket frontpipe? Given titanium exhaust premium price i guess their market niche is way smaller then that of "normal" SS aftermarket exhaust bits, thus harder to find recordings with combinations with different other exhaust parts like header for performance, to ensure good sound and no drone, to tell for sure if more expensive purchase won't result in lemon. Recordings aside .. even at eg. meets or trackdays .. probably there also will be harder to find ones that paid that premium for titanium due high cost/little return, so to listen in person how they sound, hopefully in other then paired with stock combinations.

What Churchx said

If it's still drone free after everything, then I'm sold

This is the open-ended question...

The short answer is, who knows?

The long answer is, it really depends on what you want to get performance-wise out of the car, and to what extent you want to sacrifice sound for performance.

Not everyone is the same, just because it is "best bang for the buck" doesn't mean it works for everyone...

Here's the same exhaust with a Berk front pipe with HFC:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ4biMTDZL4[/ame]

Here's the same exhaust with an Apex'i header/OP/FP setup (with HFC + large resonator):

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcofHkS-qp0[/ame]

Here's the same setup with just a Fujitsubo front pipe (dual resonated no cat), stock header/OP:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7BECUlOtxE[/ame]

I keep going back to the same talking points: namely, catalytic converters (by themselves) are not an indication of whether an exhaust system is quiet or loud. Rather, it's a combination of 1) the size of the resonators (a large enough catalytic converter acts as a resonator), and 2) the overall effectiveness of the exhaust system to mitigate excessive/annoying sounds via the catback portion of the exhaust.

If you just buy one piece of the exhaust at a time, then you will get the "one piece at a time" end result: a setup that may or may not give you the tone you are looking for.

If you, say, get a header system that has a large resonator built in (Apex'i for example), you are paying a lot of money for essentially an improvement over factory that will be close to stock sound-wise. This gives you infinite options for catback exhausts, because whatever catback you get (by itself) will just sound like you did a catback exhaust mod, nothing else.

I'm interested to hear this catback with an UEL header (preferably stock FP). Is there anyone that have this combination? 10x

Just leave your laptop at home. Dont carry coins. Keep your gas and washer fluid levels low. Its 100% NOT worth it to save weight with an exhaust. Its also so low to the ground, its not the 'bad' kind of weight.

They uploaded sound clips for it already:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW3FaEsAhU4[/ame]

Can't justify $1,500 for something that's just makes the car sound better. For that money, you could buy decent headers, a tune, and a drop in filter. If you care THAT much about saving weight, just get a single exit for a fraction of the cost.

I've seen the clip but it's with stock header, I'm interested to hear it (and if it is droning or not) with some UEL header.

Those are the exact mods I already have (Tomei UEL header, OFT stage2+, Blitz SUS drop in filter). A CB is next :)

For $1500��.......yeah not worth it. All of the Tomei's cost $1000 and weigh less. You can use the extra $500 to buy a front pipe and overpipe.

If Tomei would build an dual-exit titanium CB, I would be the first in line. I have their UEL header and it's incredibly well built...

what if I told you that the "Tomei" exhaust and this FactionFab exhaust is probably built at the same factory in China...

this is probably the closest you'll get to a twin exit Tomei exhaust. there's nothing special about the products that Tomei USA currently produces, people just can't see past the brand.

I've first heard of Tomei few months back when I started searching for a header, I'm not an american and by no means a Tomei fan :)

I'm just saying that I ended up with a very high quality piece of hardware and I'll buy their products in the future based on my experience with their product.

That being said, the overall quality of this product would count for nothing if it's droning or it's raspy...and this is still unknown :(

https://toyospec86.com.au/product/to...uffler-86-brz/

They do. Some Facebook group had a guy posting about being the first one in america with it lately. It sounded ok. Not my preference, but definitely not the worst option out there.

you find me a lighter full exhaust and I'll but it, as long as it doesn't end up as loud as Anthony's. I don't care how it sounds, I just don't want to be a cop magnet.

If there is some cut rate titanium exhaust manufacturer or someone doing something with traditional materials that is somehow even lighter, I'm all in.

I'm sure you can find a competent, local-ish fab shop to make you a custom titanium exhaust.

but will it be lighter?

I can pay for a lot of track days for what that cat back cost :burnrubber:

Yeah but his car is going to sound just slightly better than yours :thumbsup:

So the FactionFab is descent quality?

A stock car sounds better then mine :bonk:

Well I just ordered it with their black Friday sale! 1275 shipped

I will be pairing it up with my Ace headers/overpipe, Hooker FP

Before I install I am looking for a different front pipe. The Cat in the Hooker Front Pipe was rattle a while and sounded like it eventually blew out.

Im thinking of the ACE FP since its designed for the headers, I know with this Ti exhaust it will be loud as Fk.

I currently have the Borla catback which is decent but I want ultimate weight reduction. Without being as loud as a single exit Ti setup

OOooohhhhh I very curious as to how this works out! :thumbup:

JDL ultra quiet FP with cat and resonated or stock FP with the little resonator removed and a aftermarket welded into it's place.

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I think im going to test it with my blown out hooker Headers FP which is basically a test pipe with a Helmholtz resonator on it and go from there.


-Stock FP is out of the question, I want to stay 2.5" piping all the way through, no bottlenecks. Plus keep it fresh for putting on for inspection.


-Considering the JDL dual resonated pipe. Want to avoid the cat this time since it may just blown out again. Had a HKS dual res fp and loved it but its only 2.35" ( this will be my 4th exhaust setup try)


- If I can tolerate the sound with my current FP, first choice will be the ACE FP since that works best with ACE headers

Jdl I am sure would make you a custom dual resonated 2.5inch FP.

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Got my FactionFab Titanium Exhaust in today so here are the individual pieces to it weighed. Including the bolts, clamps ect comes to exactly 16.97 lbs. Its advertised at 17 WOW!

Also the inside diameter is 67mm (~2.64") Which makes its bigger than the 2.5" its advertised as! But not too big

Most stainless 2.5" exhausts are closer to 2.38" on the inside

The Tomei 60S is 14lbs with 60mm piping one muffler. So for 3lbs more you get a whole side of piping, another Muffler, Tip with 67mm piping with this.

https://i.imgur.com/pMa5FtO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/d1qki1l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KE1KD46.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/prhMy5z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ic1Ij0g.jpg

Stumbled upon this the FactionFab looks exactly like the topspeed TI exhaust, even the packaging of the gaskets is the same. The Topspeed one has been around awhile and they have the sizing correct at 70mm piping.


https://topspeedauto.com/scion-frs-s...xhaust-system/

Got the exhaust installed today! I am really impressed with this I was scared it would be too loud. Fitment was perfect

Keep in mind the cat on my Hooker Headers front pipe was rattling/then clogged/ then blew partially out within the last month. I stuck a plumbing snake up there and something is still intact.

Will most likely take a gamble now on a catless 2.75"/70mm front pipe soon

Currently:
Ace350 Headers
Messed up Hooker Headers catted front pipe
FactionFab TI exhaust
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_0dc7MRg_I"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_0dc7MRg_I[/ame]

Ill be honest there is more cabin bass than the Borla after driving it. But its only at low cruising speeds, at highway speeds its fine, and sounds amazing and smooth at full throttle.

I will be passing on the straight front pipe idea and getting something 70mm with a resonator

Thanks for posting. Expected it to be a bit raspy, but it sounds great. I think the resonated front pipe is a good idea. Which one were you looking at?

Interested in hearing more clips and possibly drive-bys once that front pipe gets fixed! Definitely sounds different.

the Ultimate Racing 2.75"/70mm since that will mate up with this exhaust diameter, and larger FP have shown to benefit the Ace350 headers.

With that said I ordered a 2.75 straight pipe since it was only $75 shipped just to try it