The new GT4
 

https://newstv.porsche.com/en/

Now the question is ...is it enough to warrant me ridding my current gt4?

From a 3.8 to a 4.0, the same one in the current 2020 992 without the turbos bored from 3.0 to 4.0 tuned to 420 ps. Up 40 From previous Gen. sigh

Yes, you must upgrade. And sell me your current GT4 for a highly discounted price :)

Jokes aside, is there something your current GT4 doesn't do that the new one might? Another 30-40 HP could probably be attained with some well placed mods.

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Not too much physically. They said track times shaved some seconds overall but it gained quite a bit of weight.

In terms of value, you can throw that word out the window. As a Porsche enthusiast and tech whore, I want the updated infotainment and subtle body changes from the 718 models.

Assuming I can sell my 16 GT4 with 13 k miles for around mid 90’s, it’d still cost about 30k plus when all said and done. That’s a big pill to swallow.

No- I wouldn’t upgrade. Not enough of a difference to warrant it imo.

This coming from a guy that owned a voodoo gt4. Only upgrade to make would be to a GT3 (manual if you prefer) as the engine is phenomenal. I jumped into an 991.2 3RS and it’s worth the price of entry, despite it being steep. The new 4.0 from the GT Motorsport guys is gold.

I would expect the pricing on earlier GT4's to come down a bit now. Glad I sold my GT4 when I did.

I wouldn't sell a 981.1 GT4 for a 981.2 GT4. Especially if the large weight gain is true.

Seems like a very minor performance gain, if any.

Especially if it is a '16 GT4 with 13k miles. If it was really used, then it would make more sense.

Its all games played by car companies to appeal to people's ego. Merc's been doing it with their C63 and C63S and C63 Black. making high performance version of high performance cars with more bhp you can never use is just ridiculous. The only reason why you upgrade is so you feel like you are one up on the your neighbor. I do things because I like to, not because I have to be one up over the next guy.

GT4 pricing is just stupid. It's a tarted up Boxster with an old engine for 911 prices. If all you do is track the car, get a purpose-built track car like a Spec Racer Ford or a street car fully built with cage, HANS, fire, etc. If you mostly daily and track 10-20 days a year, get a 911 Carerra T. Hell, if I tracked 10 days a year every year, I'd still get a daily and a purpose-built track car. I saw a guy at the track once. He had a modern FWD Civic that had been in a spec Honda sponsored racing series that had gone defunct. He was happy as a clam, fast as a rocket, and safe.

Now if they can fix the gearing issue.

What Porsche needs to build: a legit small, lightweight, simple sports car. FT86-weight would be OK, lighter = better of course.

What Porsche does not need to build: another 3300+ lb. ego-stroking supercar...

Porsche seems to be oblivious to the buyer fatigue that dealers are seeing.

Either oblivious or immune (for now)



"Collectors" have been going crazy. Got to make hay while the sun is shining.

Could be the last hurrah for Porsche and other super car manufacturers. Gen Y/Z are not interested in cars. They are not in a hurry to get their drivers license and do not find super cars appealing. Uber is what they want. Boomers with money who want to relive their youth is what is fuelling Porsche sales, especially the vintage ones.

The "collectors" I know of don't buy Porsche's 'normal' cars, except to get themselves on a list for the next hypercar.

Overpriced. Id pick up a '16 GT4 over this any day and save some cash.

Bullshit. There are car enthusiasts in every generation. Younger generations don’t have money for cars. That’s the problem. When you need a 120k degree to make over 14/hour in a lot of states and housing costs you 800/month WITH roommates, there’s no room for expensive cars.

I’m considering myself lucky and do well enough for myself, but the BRZ is about the most car I can afford. I have no interest whatsoever in cars that are 50k+, cause I know I’ll never be able to afford them. if that makes me a shitty car enthusiast, oh well, my generation is supposed to kill car culture anyway.

It's almost entirely a brand new engine (unlike the last GT4 with it's parts bin 911S engine). Shares basically nothing with any other engine. Most 718 CGTS's I see on dealer lots are already $100k+. Most 911s are $140k+. So $100k for a GT4, not really 911 money. As to a FWD Civic - different strokes for different folks. I was at the track 2 weekends ago with a buddy and our times were almost identical. He was in a stripped out EG hatchback w/H22a that fully loaded maybe weighed 2300 lb. He would rather have a Cayman (and can afford one) but it's not the right time for him. Still, he has to tow it and I just "run what I brung".

Apparently they won't, ever. Here's the latest bullsh*t line:

Apparently they won't adjust the gearset because they don't want to pay to recertify, but it seems like a flimsy excuse since the gear ratios have been identical and unchanged since 2006.

I'm with @Yoshoobaroo

Gen Y and Z are definitely into cars, but their world is much different. Maybe you are saying they aren't interested for practical reasons, but if you are saying they aren't interest for a lack of appeal then consider the following. Many families can't afford to buy their kids a car or pay for their kids insurance, so these teens need to buy a car themselves, except most of the time this means working a minimum wage job that doesn't pay them what they feel their time is worth, but even if it did, they can't drive with their friends. In order to get their license at 16 they have to jump through more hoops than generations before them, and when they finally do, they can only drive with another licensed adult over 20 and at limited hours for the first 12 months, so most just wait until they are 18 to bypass the whole process.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/de...t_facts/ffdl19

After 18 the outlook for owning a sports car isn't practical for most. The most practical vehicle is a hand-me-down truck or CUV, which is what is selling because they can transport your possession and friends in all scenarios. Most people can't afford to own, to maintain or to secure the space to store a second vehicle, especially when they are struggling to move out of their parents house (affordable housing?/living wages?). This is why the average age of sports car owners continues to rise, as does the average age to marriage, the average age of skiers, the average age of motorcyclists, etc. This is a money issue and that is all.

^Yeah and partially thanks to all the crash and emissions related regulations lunacy and almost all affordable sports cars have been wiped off the map.

I'm still baffled that Porsche has new Boxsters MSRP at 100k. Wtf.

More like $1000 for a single bedroom in a mediocre bay area community. Want to split a house in SF? Maybe $3000.

You have to get the right degree and know the right people. Or you have to start a business and be smart enough and hardworking enough to make it work. You can luck into a good union job. Otherwise you're gonna struggle.

Yea the numbers change a bit depending on location, but pretty much everyone 35 and under is getting shafted on wages.

Really, there's a very long history of shafting on wages. That's why unions exist.

Yeah thats why I put collector in quotes. Speculator is a more accurate word I think.
I cant believe the aircooled cars are as high as they are....

Whew! I'm 47, glad I'm not being shafted on wages! :rolleyes:

That's definitely not a selling point, given Porsche's history.

Agreed ‘16 gt4/spyder 3.8 is quite solid. The bugs had been worked out. Now 3rd gear failing was another story.

BUT Porsche stands by their cars. Transmissions are being replaced and all pretty much all failures were replaced under warranty, even those on track. Much like the 991.1 GT3 cars that have a 10 year engine warranty.

Yep dealer asked me if I wanted to be put on the list to get my transmission replaced during my last service. I said yes and they said ok but they wanna keep my gt4 for about a week once the parts arrive and even worse is that the next available loaner was over a month out...

Ideally Id love to own the new Gt3.... but that’s out of my budget. Comes in Manual with the 500hp 4.0 with a 9 k redline. Makes my gt4 look like a toy.

So... you're kind of limited on the whole Porsche thing?

:cry:

Dang these almost hurt to look at. a GT4 (981 or this 981.2/982 whichever you want to call it) is one of my dream cars, although certainly not a reasonably attainable one (356 speedster, and a 997GT3RS are the other two. None of them are reasonable, hahah). Weight/engine complaints aside, this looks fantastic, even if it doesn't get the GT3 engine.

The BRZ is actually my consolation prize for not being at "used Cayman" money yet, and it's reasonable fascimily as fary as driving style is why I got it. I'll be happy if i'm in a position to pick up a nice 986 S as a convertible cruiser in the next few years, hah.

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Speaking as someone who is past Cayman money, the FRS is no consolation prize and no facsimile. It's a hellaciously fun car in its own right, period. Best of all, since it's relatively cheap, you can beat on it like a rug.

Oh don’t get me wrong, it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it! It’s a good buy new, but second hand in the <15k range the driving experience is imo unmatchable. It was the ideal (and smart) purchase for me.

But mid engine driving is such a cool unique thing, and the Cayman fixes the only two thing the BRZ lacks: interior comfort (drove 8.5hrs yesterday. I’m ordering sound deadening tonight 100%. I can’t barely take a phone call at highway speed), and power. Not that the BRZ is underpowered, it’s still a blast, but a bit more grunt would be great for highway cruising. I'm absolutely happy with my current car, but if I had an extra 15-20k to spend, it would have been on a 987.2 Cayman S, hands down.

The 718 Spyder is a gorgeous car too.
https://i.imgur.com/VImQQwL.png

But so is the new 911.
https://i.imgur.com/CGeqNwQ.png

I got my tS because I wanted a really fun to drive (and track) daily that I could have while saving money up for a house downpayment. My wife and I will probably get the house in the next year, and replace her Q5 with a Macan S, and my car will come after that. Most of the places we're looking at only have two parking spots though, so would a 718 Spyder make a decent daily, or would the 911 be much better (but way more common.) Or would an Audi RS5 be the best of both worlds? I've only driven a 997 turbo, 981 Cayman S, 997 C2S, and my younger brother has a 986 S I've borrowed from time to time, so my Porsche driving experience is pretty limited, and I'd love to hear from the experts.

The new 911 is definitely great looking. And now that the RWD has wider fenders like the AWD the car is perfect.

Looks are subjective. I think the new 911 is a huge step backwards. Larger, heavier, and has a huge fat ass. (and I've always loved 911s [not named 996]).

The back of the Panamera and 911 look almost the same now. I take issue when the back of a sports car can be mistaken for a 4500 lb sedan.

I keep coming back to the BRZ, because there's nothing that can be done beyond a reasonable degree, about weight.

All these new cars are fat and heavy.

Now, the 600LT lust is real. Every time I drive one, it reminds me why I like lightweight cars. And cars that rotate.

The current GT4 is an massive push pig designed to make their owners feel like heros when "driving hard", and I don't expect that to change with the 718 GT4.

I've always liked the spyder for a cruiser though, but wish it had more feel. It's just too refined. Weird complaint, since it's plenty fast, and comfortable. I just want a little *less* comfort in a fairly hardcore car.

If you want less Comfort get a lotus evora 400 heh