2/3 of 86 are auto?
 

So sad...
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-reve...sions-it-sells

I love my AT. Its great for my daily in traffic. I still have a MT Miata so maybe i'm just spoiled....

Manuals are better in traffic once you learn how to drive them.

:D

Must...avoid.....

Here we go again, lol.

Also, news like this doesn’t surprise me. Everyone acts like Toyota wasn’t reading the market when they chose auto-only for the new Supra. Autos sell these days.


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Manuals are only worse if you're part of the crowd that keeps the clutch depressed at all times. For those who put the car in neutral when coming to a stop, it's no worse than an automatic.

I saw this news too and was surprised. I thought I read an article a year or two ago that said the 86 was one of the rare models with a majority of manual buyers. Either I’m remembering that wrong or today’s numbers no longer reflect that.

Myriad

I always wonder if manuals are a dying breed, why not just make a stick special order. Provide one manual on lots to show people the car still comes in a stick, but has to be special ordered because it doesn't sell as well as an automatic.

But I suppose if people went to a dealership to buy a car...they want a car that day and don't want to wait several months potentially to get their stick shift configured car.

That and you will always get a better deal on a car on the lot than something special ordered. They want to move inventory and might give you incentives. If a stick sits around awhile since no one can drive it, it means better deals for us! I test drove a Crosstrek with a stick once and the salesman was salivating at the chance to unload it.

Myriad

It's because automatics are better. There's absolutely no use for a clutch in a modern car. The only people who drive manuals are overcompensating for something.

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am I the only one who the quote feature is not working for? Odd.


Anyways, I've bought only manuals since I bought one not knowing how to drive it a few decades ago. There have been many times I wish I had an auto. Rush hour traffic in New York City or Washington DC comes to mind.


I think at best the take rate on the twins was 50/50. The people actually ordering the cars have been mostly manual, but that shouldn't surprise.


And just because it needs to be repeated: the auto on the twins is awesome.



hey it is working now. I cannot believe people actually drive like this. Talk about imbecilic. Right up there with the morons that think the clutch pedal has to hit the floor every time you try and switch gears. People always remind me you can never ever find the bounds of human stupidity.

Damn, 1/3 of 86s are manual! That's incredible! Maybe there is yet hope!

That's incredible if it's true, something like <3% of cars sold in the US are MT and I would have guessed closer to 25% or less for this car.

>90% of FRS/BRZ/86 owners are people who walked into the Toyota showroom and thought 'that looks neat' and walked out with one shortly after. They will never go to a track day, enter an autocross, sign up for a drift event, or even chirp the tires. @Tcoat is one of them ;)

Well I do chirp the tires on occasion but the rest is true. I bought it as a nice inexpensive commuter coupe with no delusions of it being a race car wanttabe.


People here seem to think this place represents the majority of owners of these cars. We do not. We are the minority. The more people are into modding, tracking, or actual racing they get the further they spiral down into the sub niche abyss.

From the article:

Clearly this author has never driven a FRS/BRZ/86 with an automatic transmission.

Or they hang out on here.


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Yeah. That.

I got a manual anyway tho

I prefer handbooks.

:popcorn: Not sure this has been discussed before... But, wouldn't an AT be better for texting and driving?

Sigh. I like driving manuals. Long past the age of caring about compensating for anything, over- or under-wise. There's no use for well-equipped kitchens with all the great restaurants out there, but some folks like to cook. Why learn to play a useless instrument when you can listen to whatever you want to hear on YouNoob?



"Automatics are better"...in your opinion, for you and the way you enjoy driving. They are not "better" for me. Why would you think that the only possible reason someone may not think exactly like you would indicate some kind of defect in that person?

So did I.

Only if they release the Distracted Driving (aka "Safety") package that the rest of the line up can get.

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^ I just bought a second car and I wanted it in a manual transmission. I had to request it, then put money down as a refundable deposit. Then wait a few months before it even arrived. '19 Corolla HB.


They did have one stick for me to test drive, and I was sold. If given the option I always gravitate to manual transmission. I really don't think it is as much work as people seem to think it is. + its fun and cheaper to buy.

#1 use: being more fun to drive... (drops mic)
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Didn't read the article, but just bought my frs last week. I was looking for a brz/frs maybe for about a month, prior to last week. When looking on auto trader, I would say around 2/3rds were manuals, not auto. When it comes to other cars, I would say itmajority of regular cars like civics, Corolla's or elantras, majority of them were auto, maybe 80-90 percent.

Even when I looked at other sources like Facebook marketplace and kijiji. I still found majority of used brz/frs for sale were manual.

The AT guys like theirs better and don't sell them.

That's good, make it rarer.
Maybe 2021 when new gen comes out, there is only auto, and the old gen with manual price spike up.

This is one of those things that is self inflicted IMO. I will only buy a manual transmission cars. Every time I've been to the Toyota dealer they have zero on the lot and I just walk away. I've been trying to find a Corolla hatch or the new body style, but no go. The Honda dealer always has at least a few available. This is in an area with 5 million plus people and Toyota is the best selling brand.

You think you like a manual better, but you're mistaken. The science is in, and it proves Automatics are better. You can't argue with science.

It better come in manual....


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MT guys are always seeking more "driver involvement". AT guys just go for a drive.

Way back when the BRZ was released to the UK press for a review in the UK, Subaru only had an automatic!! it got shot down, 3star car, slow, unresponsive and just plain dull.. The MT addressed some of the issues but the AT poor showing was never forgotten.

Who knows how Toyota will surprise us :eyebulge::iono:

2021 2nd gen 86, FA24 240HP turbocharged, but 6-speed automatic transmission only. lol

The science is in and AT is dull. Might as well buy a tesla and let that kart you around so you can get back to doodling on your phone.

The main feature of the car is fun to drive, and MT enhances that fun. Any AT is just less fun than it could be for the sake of being a lazy driver, so if that's better then I'm fine doing it the old not as good way. Sometimes the old fashion way is the most satisfying.

(I'm just givin you AT guys a hard time, I know it has its up sides and is down to the personal preference, that being said...Manual is better)